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10 Dead in German School Shooting

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  • 11-03-2009 12:27pm
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    Indie18
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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7936817.stm

    At least 10 people have been killed in a shooting at a school in south-west Germany, police say.
    Most of the dead are thought to have been pupils at the Albertville secondary school in Winnenden, north of Stuttgart.

    Unconfirmed reports say the gunman, a 17-year-old former pupil wearing black combat gear, was arrested after fleeing into the town centre.
    Police, rescue teams and fire fighters are at the school.

    "We have to assume a death toll in the double-digits," a spokeswoman for the interior ministry in the state of Baden-Wuerttemberg told the Reuters news agency.

    "These are students," she said.
    The editor of the local paper, Frank Nipkau, told television channel N-TV that eight pupils and two adults were among the dead.

    The incident is reported to have begun around 0945 (0845 GMT). About 1,000 children are thought to attend the school, in the town some 20km (12 miles) north-east of Stuttgart.

    I Was only talking this morning after the incident in Alabama how you only really hear of this stuff in America. What goes through somebodys head when they do things like this.


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    ScumLord
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    Indie18 wrote: »
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7936817.stm




    I Was only talking this morning after the incident in Alabama how you only really hear of this stuff in America. What goes through somebodys head when they do things like this.
    It's a wonder the schools don't pick up on these things before hand. But I suppose how do you tell a normal grumpy teen from a deranged one?

    Is it easy enough to get guns in Germany? I remember being fairly surprised seeing a gun shop in the middle of a shopping centre in Berlin.


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    It wasn't me!
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    ScumLord wrote: »
    It's a wonder the schools don't pick up on these things before hand. But I suppose how do you tell a normal grumpy teen from a deranged one?

    Is it easy enough to get guns in Germany? I remember being fairly surprised seeing a gun shop in the middle of a shopping centre in Berlin.

    They have a pretty elaborate system, whereby you have to do written, oral and practical exams to receive a licence. However, they're a culture much more familiar with firearms than any in the British isles. There are several shooting ranges in most towns and Germany is the home of sporting shooting in Europe.

    It's a great tragedy and my sympathies are with the victims.


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    yellowcurl
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    Dear god, there really seems to be a huge increase in this kind of stuff in the last few years isn't there?

    Really annoys me when they can't seem to find a reason for it, so blame music and computer games. Sure if that was true we'd all be out killing each other!


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    Biggins
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    Madness, pure madness.


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    Love2love
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    I use to live about 30 mins from there. I'd never imagine that, that would happen there.


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    Terry
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    Most likely bullied.

    Lesson of the day: Don't bully someone who has access to a gun.*



    *I used to be bullied. Then I started throwing milk bottles at the bullies. They stopped bullying me after that.


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    _blank_
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    Terry you monster


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    Wagon
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    Indie18 wrote: »
    What goes through somebodys head when they do things like this.

    Maths.


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    ScumLord
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    All that lovely, lovely milk. Gone. :(


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    _blank_
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    Indie18 wrote: »
    What goes through somebodys head when they do things like this.

    Bullets

    They've shot the perp.


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    Des wrote: »
    Bullets

    They've shot the perp.

    I hate the way they always get shot dead.Fcuking cowards.


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    Indie18
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    Wagon wrote: »
    Maths.

    Well I have to admit, when I was in school maths made me feel homicidal too.


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    Manic Moran
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    Indie18 wrote: »
    I Was only talking this morning after the incident in Alabama how you only really hear of this stuff in America.

    And Canada. And Finland. And Germany (this most recent incident is certainly not the first there). There's no place that's really immune to a mass killing, but it's so much easier to just project the problem onto America and refuse to believe that it can happen where you are. One of the mothers of a surviving kid said it all: "I thought this sort of thing only happened in America" Well, guess what. Humans are humans and suffer from the same range of emotions and derangements in the rest of the world as well as the US.
    Is it easy enough to get guns in Germany? I remember being fairly surprised seeing a gun shop in the middle of a shopping centre in Berlin.

    It's actually somewhat depressing for an American to go into a German gun shop because of the variety of firearms on offer, many of which are not legal in the US. You can't carry a gun around with you in Germany so the impression is that Germany is not a gun-culture country, but shooting is a popular sport. Indeed, shooting is a popular sport in most of Europe, Britain and Ireland are actually the exceptions in Europe, not the norm, and even at that, it's only a recent change. Shooting used to be a common sport in both Ireland and England within my lifetime.

    NTM


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    Ross_Mahon
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    Terrorists Win


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    Manic Moran
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    Ross_Mahon wrote: »
    Terrorists Win

    Enter gratuitous Counter-Strike reference :)

    NTM


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    acontadino
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    :( scumbag. probably a feckin freak that went out of his way not to be liked and then claims society has shunned him. go listen to rammstein you peice of ****.


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    Turnip2000
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    Will there come a day when these secretly armed guards like on some flights, will patrol schools/Colleges? Like kindergarden cop but real?


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    thebigcheese22
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    Fully expected this from America but not from Germany.

    An awful tragedy :(


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    Manic Moran
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    Fully expected this from America but not from Germany.

    I refer back to my earlier comment...

    NTM


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    Fozzie Bear
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    Manic Moran wrote: »
    And Canada. And Finland. And Germany (this most recent incident is certainly not the first there). There's no place that's really immune to a mass killing, but it's so much easier to just project the problem onto America and refuse to believe that it can happen where you are. One of the mothers of a surviving kid said it all: "I thought this sort of thing only happened in America" Well, guess what. Humans are humans and suffer from the same range of emotions and derangements in the rest of the world as well as the US.

    Very true. Remember the nut who slaughtered all those young kids in Dunblaine in the UK about 10 or more years ago. It just takes the right kind of fruit cake and something to push them over the edge and you have a tragedy like this.

    I think America obviously has a huge population and is always going to have a higher percentage of these things happening and the copy cat effect too. Maybe with Bush out of office it might be something Obama would look into tightening up. I think Clinton tried before but came up against huge opposition from the NRA/Gun manufacturers and the right wing politicians and was it Charlton Heston too??? Anyways I think America might be a little bit more open to the idea of tighter controls now and Obama might be just the man to do it.


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    Terry
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    ScumLord wrote: »
    All that lovely, lovely milk. Gone. :(
    They were empties.
    Don't tell the Greens.


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    Terry
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    Fozzie Bear wrote: »
    Very true. Remember the nut who slaughtered all those young kids in Dunblaine in the UK about 10 or more years ago. It just takes the right kind of fruit cake and something to push them over the edge and you have a tragedy like this.

    I think America obviously has a huge population and is always going to have a higher percentage of these things happening and the copy cat effect too. Maybe with Bush out of office it might be something Obama would look into tightening up. I think Clinton tried before but came up against huge opposition from the NRA/Gun manufacturers and the right wing politicians and was it Charlton Heston too??? Anyways I think America might be a little bit more open to the idea of tighter controls now and Obama might be just the man to do it.
    "From my cold dead hands."
    He's dead now.


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    Fozzie Bear
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    Terry wrote: »
    "From my cold dead hands."
    He's dead now.

    Ya thats right. I remember on a stage holding a musket or something over his head saying that. Bloody idiot.


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    JohnGalt
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    This sort of thing doesn't bother me at all. I like it in fact and I find it interesting.


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    Manic Moran
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    I think Clinton tried before but came up against huge opposition from the NRA/Gun manufacturers and the right wing politicians and was it Charlton Heston too???

    Actually, he came up against huge opposition from the populace as a whole: The Democrats were royally turfed out of power largely as a result of the '94 legislation which was about six weeks before the elections.
    Maybe with Bush out of office it might be something Obama would look into tightening up
    Not a chance. See also my comments here. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=59374838&postcount=11

    NTM


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    Kiith
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    How do people still support the widespread availabilty of guns after seeing things like this? Genuine question, and not trying to start a flame war. Do they know where he got the guns from? Cause surely there is no reason, ever, for a 17 year old to have access to purchase guns.


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    Manic Moran
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    Do they know where he got the guns from?

    It was one of his father's. Apparently he owned seventeen firearms of various types. I've got some catching up to do.
    How do people still support the widespread availabilty of guns after seeing things like this?

    Like anything, they can be used, and misused. A guy in San Francisco last year went on a rampage killing one and putting another 14 in hospital. His weapon of choice, a Honda Pilot SUV. Calls to ban cars? Of course not.

    January this year, a guy in Belgium went a-killing in a creche, killed two kids, an adult, and wounded an additional ten. He used a knife. Knife bans, maybe? You can't buy cutlery in the UK unless you're 18, so some people have considered it. But on a practical level, useless.

    Or, of course, you can just make up your own pipe bombs out of whatever happens to be available (PVC pipe, fertiliser, nails). If someone really has a hankering to kill someone, they will.

    The vast and overwhelming majority of firearms owners use them responsibly and without trouble. Just as the vast majority of farmers don't make fertiliser bombs. Then again, if the fertiliser is misused, you get Manchester or Oklahoma City. You suggest restricting the freedoms of many for the sake of those rare exceptions. Drunk-driving kills far more people in Europe than firearms do. There's certainly little 'practical' utility for alcohol down the pub, but people realise that it's people being idiots or downright disobedient of the laws that are the trouble, so there's no call to ban booze.

    NTM


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    Overheal
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    Only in Germany.
    Fozzie Bear wrote:
    Maybe with Bush out of office it might be something Obama would look into tightening up. I think Clinton tried before but came up against huge opposition from the NRA/Gun manufacturers and the right wing politicians and was it Charlton Heston too??? Anyways I think America might be a little bit more open to the idea of tighter controls now and Obama might be just the man to do it.

    You can enforce tighter gun control but as argued above what does that do to control the audacity of the killings, really? People will just find other methods. If you're hellbent on killing someone access to a gun isn't going to stop you. My stepfathers Bassist from his cover band was murdered in the 90s by his landlord with a claw hammer after driving 45 minutes to get to the house. Killed the cat, too.


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    Kiith
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    Manic Moran wrote: »
    Like anything, they can be used, and misused. A guy in San Francisco last year went on a rampage killing one and putting another 14 in hospital. His weapon of choice, a Honda Pilot SUV. Calls to ban cars? Of course not.

    January this year, a guy in Belgium went a-killing in a creche, killed two kids, an adult, and wounded an additional ten. He used a knife. Knife bans, maybe? You can't buy cutlery in the UK unless you're 18, so some people have considered it. But on a practical level, useless.

    Or, of course, you can just make up your own pipe bombs out of whatever happens to be available (PVC pipe, fertiliser, nails). If someone really has a hankering to kill someone, they will.

    The vast and overwhelming majority of firearms owners use them responsibly and without trouble. Just as the vast majority of farmers don't make fertiliser bombs. Then again, if the fertiliser is misused, you get Manchester or Oklahoma City. You suggest restricting the freedoms of many for the sake of those rare exceptions. Drunk-driving kills far more people in Europe than firearms do. There's certainly little 'practical' utility for alcohol down the pub, but people realise that it's people being idiots or downright disobedient of the laws that are the trouble, so there's no call to ban booze.

    NTM
    I see where you are coming from, but the difference (at least the way i've been looking at it) is that guns are pretty much designed for one thing....and thats killing. Thats it. Surely there is no need for anyone, responsible adult or not, to have 17 guns?


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    Overheal
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    Kiith wrote: »
    I see where you are coming from, but the difference (at least the way i've been looking at it) is that guns are pretty much designed for one thing....and thats killing. Thats it. Surely there is no need for anyone, responsible adult or not, to have 17 guns?
    Someone has evidently never seen Tremors.


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