Aaron Ramsey snubs Utd for Arsenal

allybhoy · 10-06-2008 2:47pm #1

Looks like this drawn out affair is over, he's settled with Arsenal. Linky

Anyone see much of this fella? Its rumoured to be 5million, good purchase or overpriced/hyped?

_blank_ · 10-06-2008 2:48pm

Could be a good purchase.

Could be overhyped.

Definitely overpriced for a kid of 17.

Death or Glory · 10-06-2008 2:50pm

Excellent player

Looked a real live wire when he came on as a sub in FA Cup final.

Likes a bit of bite in the tackle too

_blank_ · 10-06-2008 2:52pm

Death or Glory wrote: »

Looked a real live wire when he came on as a sub in FA Cup final.

You were watching a different game to me so.

Iago · 10-06-2008 2:56pm

Don't quite understand choosing Arsenal over United or Everton for that matter.

unless it's because Gunther is at Spurs, in which case it highlights the immaturity you would expect from a 17 year old. Still best of luck to him, but I think he's picked the worst option open to him.

Mr Alan · 10-06-2008 2:57pm

Iago wrote: »

Still best of luck to him, but I think he's picked the worst option open to him.

How so?

He has picked the club with the least competition for his position, and the club that consistantly gives youth a chance.

Death or Glory · 10-06-2008 2:58pm

Originally Posted by DesF

You were watching a different game to me so.

Possibly. Although all the journos who gave him 8/10 for his subs performance were likewise watching a different game to you aswell

Fuzzy_Dunlop · 10-06-2008 3:00pm

Iago wrote: »

Still best of luck to him, but I think he's picked the worst option open to him.

Don't think Cesc Fabregas would agree with you there

grames_bond · 10-06-2008 3:02pm

lets be honest, he joined arsenal so himself and walcott could play skip rope and talk about how girls have cooties!! :pac:

jank · 10-06-2008 3:14pm

5 Million isnt too bad. Like even if he doesnt make it to be a superstar, he will still be a handy player and will be sold at a nice profit.

CHD · 10-06-2008 3:17pm

Iago wrote: »

Don't quite understand choosing Arsenal over United or Everton for that matter.

unless it's because Gunther is at Spurs, in which case it highlights the immaturity you would expect from a 17 year old. Still best of luck to him, but I think he's picked the worst option open to him.

if your young and full of potential then Arsenal is the best place for you.

Pretty silly statement there from you saying its the worst option

allybhoy · 10-06-2008 3:21pm

chdpoker wrote: »

if your young and full of potential then Arsenal is the best place for you.

Pretty silly statement there from you saying its the worst option

Yeh id agree there, its obvious that Wenger is the best at teaching young players and if I was a player he is the 1 manager that I would want to learn from. Although if I was an Arsenal fan id be thinking that we could probably stop buying potential now and go for a few old model pro's who have a winning mentality and can step up to the plate when the going gets rough. Like a Viera/Adams character.

estebancambias · 10-06-2008 3:26pm

Death or Glory wrote: »

Originally Posted by DesF

You were watching a different game to me so.

Possibly. Although all the journos who gave him 8/10 for his subs performance were likewise watching a different game to you aswell

I honestly don't remember him doing anything, except for passing it to McPhail when he first came on.

I think giving him 8/10 was more to do with the hype than the performance.

I'd say he will probably make it though. Wenger isn't going to spend 5 million on a player for the sake of it.

Wales look to be producing some alright players, Bale, Gunther and Ramsey.

gosplan · 10-06-2008 3:29pm

iago wrote: »

don't Quite Understand Choosing Arsenal Over United Or Everton For That Matter.

Unless It's Because Gunther Is At Spurs, In Which Case It Highlights The Immaturity You Would Expect From A 17 Year Old. Still Best Of Luck To Him, But I Think He's Picked The Worst Option Open To Him.

Lol!!!

Iago · 10-06-2008 3:42pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

How so?

He has picked the club with the least competition for his position, and the club that consistantly gives youth a chance.

Well from my point of view, based on what I saw of him last season (which admittedly wasn't a huge amount, but enough to form an opinion) I don't think he's ready for premiership football yet. I think he has a lot of potential but I don't think he'll realise it in the next 12 months. That combined with the fact that United were going to loan him back to Cardiff for 12 months and are current league and european champtions should have been very tempting (and may well have been)

The counter argument of course is that he feels he's ready for premiership football, and having made decision to leave Cardiff he didn't want to go back on loan. That's fine as well, and as an ex-headstrung teenager I fully understand it

In that case though I think Everton should have been his destination of choice as I think Moyes and Everton as a club would have given him more opportunity to play in the coming season, and adapt to the step up in the premierhsip.

Arsenal are a great club, but I don't think he'll get much of a run next season, outside of some league cup games. Of course he'll get brilliant experience and learnings just from training with them, and Wenger is obviously a very good manager when it comes to youth so while I think it's the worst option of the 3 available, that doesn't mean it's a very bad step for his career.

I disagree that there's no/less competition for his position at Arsenal. In the first team and depending whether he wants to play centrally or on the wings you have Fabregas, Helb, Silva, Walcott, Denilson, Song, Diaby, Rosicky and at a push Bendtnar and Traore who could play right and left wing respectively

In the reserves and under 18's they have some of the best talent in Europe coming through, players like Van Der Berg, Merida, Barazite and maybe to a lesser extent Gibbs and Lansbury.
Not to mention that it's highly likely they'll sign Samir Nasri before the season kicks off, and as such I really think he's going to struggle to get game time next year.

In the long term it remains to be seen as to whether he'll develop quickly enough to overtake Fabregas, Rosicky, Nasri et al, or will one of the other kids coming through overtake him.

no doubt someone will pull this post up in December after he's played 10 games and created 20 goals, but I'll be happy to hold my hand up and say I was wrong if they do.

gosplan · 10-06-2008 3:51pm

I think the differing of opinions is that you think he has to play first team football somewhere to improve. Most other people would say that training with Arsenal under the tutlage of Wenger is quite a good football education. Watch Walcott from here on(and towards the end of last year) to see what two years on the Arsenal fringes can do for a player.

You can see why he said no to United though, I doubt going straight back to Cardiff was something he was looking for in a move to a big club.

secman · 10-06-2008 3:54pm

Obviously more into bright lights rathar than bright silverware !

Secman

Pepe LeFrits · 10-06-2008 3:56pm

An illuminating insight, secman.

CHD · 10-06-2008 3:58pm

secman wrote: »

Obviously more into bright lights rathar than bright silverware !

Secman

lol you know your stuff

Iago · 10-06-2008 4:02pm

gosplan wrote: »

I think the differing of opinions is that you think he has to play first team football somewhere to improve. Most other people would say that training with Arsenal under the tutlage of Wenger is quite a good football education. Watch Walcott from here on(and towards the end of last year) to see what two years on the Arsenal fringes can do for a player.

You can see why he said no to United though, I doubt going straight back to Cardiff was something he was looking for in a move to a big club.

This was slightly more insightful than your LOL post

The question he should be asking himself then is would he develop more after a couple of years training or on the fringes at Arsenal, or playing regularly with Everton in the premiership? Would he develop more having another season of competitive football at Cardiff followed by a season at United where he might get some games?

What will training but not playing do to his international prospects over the next two years?

I'm sure he weighed it all up and came to a decision based on what he and his advisors felt was the best move for him, I just disagree with their conclusions!

10-06-2008 4:02pm

playa3 wrote: »

Don't think Cesc Fabregas would agree with you there

Whilst i think Lasanna Diarra would....

Boggles · 10-06-2008 4:28pm

Iago wrote: »

I'm sure he weighed it all up and came to a decision based on what he and his advisors felt was the best move for him, I just disagree with their conclusions!

Yeah I'm sure he weighed all that up, dismissed it and looked who was paying the most wages. His agent isn't 17.

Mossy Monk · 10-06-2008 4:48pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Whilst i think Lasanna Diarra would....

Diarra wouldn't wait more than 6 months. More fool him now that Flamini is gone.

Spud83 · 10-06-2008 4:54pm

Mossy Monk wrote: »

Diarra wouldn't wait more than 6 months. More fool him now that Flamini is gone.

Not really Diarra won something last year.

aidan24326 · 10-06-2008 5:00pm

He was right not to choose United as he wouldn't have had a hope of getting anywhere near the first team, and they were going to loan him straight back to Cardiff anyway. Wenger has proved himself the master at bringing through young players. 5 million is a fair bit for a 17 year old but there's no hurry with him, he can be brought along slowly, a la Walcott (who looks like he may finally be ready to fulfill his potential).

Radharc na Sleibhte · 10-06-2008 5:02pm

alanmurphy83 wrote: »

Not really Diarra won something last year.

LOL

:D:D:D:D:D:D
I don't know about anyone else but I'd rather have had Arsenals season than Portsmouth!!!!!!!

Sqaull20 · 10-06-2008 5:13pm

alanmurphy83 wrote: »

Not really Diarra won something last year.

Diarra is a little dim, just like Reyes, Djourou etc..

Any young lad with a bit sense would know Wenger is the man to bring you on.Wenger can show them the path, but they have to walk it..

PDN · 10-06-2008 5:32pm

allybhoy wrote: »

Although if I was an Arsenal fan id be thinking that we could probably stop buying potential now and go for a few old model pro's who have a winning mentality and can step up to the plate when the going gets rough. Like a Viera/Adams character.

Obviously you can't be referring to the Tony Adams whom Arsenal signed as an untried but full of potential 14-year old schoolboy. So who is this old model pro Adams character? Mickey Adams maybe?

Mossy Monk · 10-06-2008 5:35pm

alanmurphy83 wrote: »

Not really Diarra won something last year.

That is almost funny. He can have a blast of a time in the UEFA cup next season.

OPENROAD · 10-06-2008 7:39pm

Haven't see him play so can only go by media reports and as yet it is still not officail that we have signed him though it looks likely. I think it is unlikely we will see him too much next season as Arsene will not rush him though expect to see him in action in the carling cup.

Predhead · 10-06-2008 7:46pm

Sqaull20 wrote: »

Diarra is a little dim, just like Reyes, Djourou etc..

Any young lad with a bit sense would know Wenger is the man to bring you on.Wenger can show them the path, but they have to walk it..

Yeah but he can't do it while winning trophies whereas Ferguson can.

evad_lhorg · 10-06-2008 8:06pm

I hope he is sh1t:p

leninbenjamin · 10-06-2008 8:15pm

Iago wrote: »

but I think he's picked the worst option open to him.

i see your reasoning above for this but it still makes no sense. Ferguson has really struggled to make the most out of his young prospects since the last of the golden boys generation. Ronaldo is the only truly successful young buy he's made since then i can think. Wenger however has been churning them out quite regularly. as for Everton; no. there is absolutely nothing in recent years to suggest it would be better for a 17 year old to go to them over the other two.
he's made the right move. he's only 17 afterall, he shouldn't really be playing at that age. better to be surrounded by those who know how to cultivate young potential the best.

gixerfixer · 10-06-2008 8:16pm

MikeySligo wrote: »

LOL :D:D:D:D:D:D
I don't know about anyone else but I'd rather have had Arsenals season than Portsmouth!!!!!!!

Cant agree with ya there.surely it's better to win something

Dr_MaSoN · 10-06-2008 8:26pm

another possible Milner?

gosplan · 10-06-2008 10:06pm

gixerfixer wrote: »

Cant agree with ya there.surely it's better to win something

Are West Brom included in this ... what about Bohs if they win the league?

Sherifu · 10-06-2008 10:22pm

Overpriced but they must be seeing good things.

OPENROAD · 10-06-2008 10:26pm

Sherifu wrote: »

Overpriced but they must be seeing good things.

he is expensive all right but then that seems to be the norm for British players, unusual for Arsene to go for a British player so he must see something good in him.

Iago · 10-06-2008 10:30pm

OPENROAD wrote: »

he is expensive all right but then that seems to be the norm for British players, unusual for Arsene to go for a British player so he must see something good in him.

[size=-12]Put on Tinfoil Hat[/size]

or he wants to stop united signing him up

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gixerfixer · 10-06-2008 10:37pm

If wenger is prepered to pay 5 million for a 17 year old (British one at that) you just know the kid is going to be good

leninbenjamin · 10-06-2008 10:43pm

gixerfixer wrote: »

If wenger is prepered to pay 5 million for a 17 year old (British one at that) you just know the kid is going to be good

yeah. because Wenger never makes mistakes. like Francis Jeffers...

PDN · 10-06-2008 11:34pm

gixerfixer wrote: »

Cant agree with ya there.surely it's better to win something

So it was better to play for MK Dons, or even Drogheda United, last season rather than to play for Arsenal?

Radharc na Sleibhte · 11-06-2008 10:54am

gixerfixer wrote: »

Cant agree with ya there.surely it's better to win something

Er, no.
Newcastle might agree with you, but I doubt Arsenal or Liverpool or Chelsea would.

Galvasean · 11-06-2008 11:30am

gixerfixer wrote: »

Cant agree with ya there.surely it's better to win something

Ask any footballer and they will tell you they'd rather qualify for the Champion's League than win the FA cup.

Fratton Fred · 11-06-2008 3:04pm

Sqaull20 wrote: »

Diarra is a little dim, just like Reyes, Djourou etc..

Any young lad with a bit sense would know Wenger is the man to bring you on.Wenger can show them the path, but they have to walk it..

that's right, Redknapp did nothing for young players, just ask Ashley Cole, Frank Lampard, Rio Ferdinand.......:D

leninbenjamin · 11-06-2008 3:09pm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

that's right, Redknapp did nothing for young players, just ask Ashley Cole, Frank Lampard, Rio Ferdinand.......:D

you mean Joe? Anyway I always thought a large part of West Hams successes at under-age was due to having a massive catchment area? I mean i thought all those players signed on (with the exception of Lampard due to the family ties), because they were the local club?

Fratton Fred · 11-06-2008 3:13pm

There was a lot of hype around Ramsey but the fact he only came on with 20 minutes to go probably says he still needs a lot of development. When he did come on, I don't recall him doing anything as by that time Diarra was controlling the midfield and the Pompey back four were in complete control.

I think Arsenal is a good place for him to go, with the accusations of rape etc that came out of Man U after their Christmas bash, I'm not sure it is a good place for a young player to go to. Still, all the Man U fans will be telling us he is crap and no doubt he will get booed for having the audacity to turn them down.

Fratton Fred · 11-06-2008 3:16pm

leninbenjamin wrote: »

you mean Joe? Anyway I always though a large part of West Hams successes at under-age was due to having a massive catchment area? I mean i thought all those players signed on (with the exception of Lampard due to the family ties), because they were the local club?

Oh yeah, Joe (Easy mistake:o)

West Ham's catchment area is no bigger than Arsenal's, Chelsea's or Charlton's, they just had a very good youth set up (Which I think Frank senior was running). Whatever it is, a lot of ex West Ham youngsters who got their break under Redknapp went on to bigger and better things so maybe Diarra isn't so daft.

Pepe LeFrits · 11-06-2008 3:31pm

I don’t think anyone is saying that Portsmouth is a bad place for a player to go to develop (or if someone has, then they shouldn’t have!). Diarra just isn’t a great example to use as evidence of Arsenal being a bad place for a young player to go to. If he had any patience at all he’d be a starter at the club now, and playing CL football next season. However, he wasn’t willing to spend a few more months sitting on the bench because of Euro 2008… where funnily enough, he is sitting on the bench. Arf.

Fratton Fred · 11-06-2008 3:43pm

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

I don’t think anyone is saying that Portsmouth is a bad place for a player to go to develop (or if someone has, then they shouldn’t have!). Diarra just isn’t a great example to use as evidence of Arsenal being a bad place for a young player to go to. If he had any patience at all he’d be a starter at the club now, and playing CL football next season. However, he wasn’t willing to spend a few more months sitting on the bench because of Euro 2008… where funnily enough, he is sitting on the bench. Arf.

you're right, just pointing out that maybe Diarra isn't so stupid for leaving. Glen Johnson left Chelsea and got his England place back, OK he could have warmed the bench in the CL this year, but he is playing regular football and got a medal for his labours.

Maybe leaving one of the "Big Four" isn't the end of the world as many seem to think. Maybe Diarra wanted out and was attracted to regular first team football and a progressive club like Pompey, who knows.

Anyway, back to Aaron Ramsey.....

event · 11-06-2008 4:02pm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Oh yeah, Joe (Easy mistake:o)

West Ham's catchment area is no bigger than Arsenal's, Chelsea's or Charlton's, they just had a very good youth set up (Which I think Frank senior was running). Whatever it is, a lot of ex West Ham youngsters who got their break under Redknapp went on to bigger and better things so maybe Diarra isn't so daft.

man called tony carr does it, has been for the last 35 years, has brought pretty much all of their youth through

Aaron Ramsey snubs Utd for Arsenal

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