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Drawing nude/semi-nude underage girls - is that also pedophilia?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,053 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    From deviantart's etiquette policy:
    Mature Content

    When we discuss mature content we are specifically referring to deviations which contain images, subject matter, or other themes which some viewers may find offensive, distasteful, or otherwise undesirable to view or to read. The most common ‘undesired’ viewing material may include, but is not limited to, images containing artistic nudity (see details below), large amounts of simulated blood and gore, or generally violent themes.
    DeviantART strictly prohibits the submission of materials classified as pornographic or obscene. There is no exception to this prohibition.
    Certain content may be deemed obscene by the administration and as such the staff reserves the right to remove such content immediately upon discovery. The administration reserves the sole right to review and classify questionable material as obscene or not obscene.
    Model release forms

    The deviantART administrative staff reserves the right to demand a Model Release form be provided for any photography (nude or otherwise) located within either your Gallery or Scrapbook areas. In the event that you receive such a request an appropriate link will be included in the notification you received. Failure to properly respond to a Model Release form demand within seven (7) days will result in the automatic removal of the associated photograph.
    For your own protection it is highly recommended that you have any model who poses for you sign a release form giving you the explicit permission to publish, share, distribute, and otherwise display the associated images. It is highly recommended that you provide this form immediately after submitting your photograph, especially if your subject is depicted nude. Details of this process may be found in the official deviantART FAQ.
    Underage models

    We cannot allow any nude works featuring individuals under the age of 18, nor may the works depict these individuals in a ‘sexually driven’ manner such as posing in lingerie or displaying a sexually suggestive or provocative pose.
    This prohibition is for legal reasons; the laws in the United States are the governing laws in regards to all submissions regardless of the deviant’s country of origin. Photographs which are suspected of depicting a minor in this manner will be temporarily suspended from public view and proper legal documentation (as outlined above) will be demanded while photographs which clearly depict a minor (including toddlers, preteens, and teenagers) in this manner will be removed without notice.
    Submissions of a non- photographic nature which clearly depict a minor, fictional character or otherwise, either nude or in a sexually driven manner will be removed and deleted without notice as they come to the attention of the staff.
    The artist the OP is referring to:
    So this is basically the story: someone, who says he has a college degree (definitely older than 18), draws semi-naked underage anime/animu girls, and uploads his stuff to Deviant Art. Some of the stuff is really borderline, yet he manages to get 6 million views, and a strong community of followers. My mate was thinking of warning him, but he changed his mind.
    By the OP's own language, these are semi-nude. Are they Pornographic? Are they obscene? There are a lot (a lot a lot) of nude art pieces on deviantart (several of them featured regularly) which would not be considered pornographic and I would not consider pornographic - these are full nude shots, bits and all.

    Also take into account 6 million views? You think nobody has reported the guy yet?

    I doubt whatever the Artist has displayed in his gallery is breaching the site's guidelines which are frameworked around United States law. Thats not to say he has never uploaded art which crossed the line and had it removed. But you as the viewer have no way of seeing with the naked eye which pieces of art have been removed by site administrators, if any.

    You may as well attempt to report the art - reports are anonymous. If you feel the artist has breached the rules, in particular perhaps to
    nude works featuring individuals under the age of 18, nor may the works depict these individuals in a ‘sexually driven’ manner such as posing in lingerie or displaying a sexually suggestive or provocative pose.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,673 ✭✭✭mahamageehad


    It's cartoons not real people!!! This world is gone completely PC crazy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭griffdaddy




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    griffdaddy wrote: »

    I posted all three parts on some thread here before. Classics.

    They were very relevant ten years ago but now they are even more so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭brendansmith


    Anyone who looks at that art is a pedophile. Even if they accidently see it for a second. They should be eaten alive!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,659 ✭✭✭CrazyRabbit


    Anyone who looks at that art is a pedophile. Even if they accidently see it for a second. They should be eaten alive!

    I'll PM some to you.... ;)

    Do you have any fava beans?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,635 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Anyone who looks at art is a pedophile. They should be eaten alive!

    FYP

    /thread.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Anyone who looks at that art is a pedophile. Even if they accidently see it for a second. They should be eaten alive!

    You've watched the Brass Eye spoof docu, haven't you :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭OK-Cancel-Apply


    Didn't they show Bart Simpon's peen in the Simpons movie?


  • Registered Users Posts: 90 ✭✭JTER


    Just another law student here

    The act does indeed prohibit all representations be they cartoon or computer generated. Section 2 defines child pornography as

    1) any representation of a child or a depiction of a child exgaged in explicit sexual activity - this would cover that japanese one, it does not matter if she is actually 103 in real life. If she looks under 17 she is classed as child pornography

    2)" relates to person who is or is depicted as being a child" who witnesses or is depicted as witnessing such above acitivity by other persons.

    3)whose dominant characteristic is the depiction , for a sexual purpose, of the genital or anal region of the child.

    So for instance if you were to create art of a stone age family around a camp fire naked , as long as the explicit regions are merely ancillary it would likely fall outside the act

    As to those fuzzy liberals saying the world has gone mad,, i agree with you, but may i point to you the act of grooming. this is were pedophiles show this material to children in the effort to desensitize or impose the impression that this activity is normal. The gravity of the offence and the horrendous abuse involved i believe calls for such a broad offence.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,013 ✭✭✭✭jaykhunter


    brummytom wrote: »
    Unfortunately, it's accepted as art.

    But In reality, it's just thinly disguised paedophilic images. Shouldn't be allowed, but for some reason, it is.

    I completely agree. I don't know where pseudo-intellectuals can get off calling pornographic/pedophilic imagery "art" just because it took talent to draw/take a picture. However you want to qualify it, it's still (eg) a picture of a naked underage girl.

    I'd be more lenient towards an anime drawing than a true-to-life portait of a naked girl though, because a drawing isn't 'realistic'.

    I think it's somewhat apropriate here :
    Peter Griffin : What's the difference between pornography and art?
    Quagmire : Here is comes...
    Peter Griffin : A government grant!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    JTER wrote: »
    If she looks under 17 she is classed as child pornography.

    Same in the UK.

    That's why all those 'Barely legal' clips on the YouTube sites are so dangerous. The stuff with Kitty when she looked 12 and other girls like her a very dangerous .. the law, most certainly is an ass.


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