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The best thing that could happen now is that the 2009 players accept the democratic vote and offer themselves to Justin for the remainder of the year.
No, the best thing that can happen now is that we become a bit competitive in about 5 years time, and for us to hope and pray that interest in hurling in the county doesn't go into decline in the meantime.
It already is dwindling as is being shown by the poor attendances at league games and I don't think too many fans will travel to our Munster semi final against Cork in Cork or Tipp in Thurles. People don't want to watch their team take a hiding and if they know that's whats going to happen then they just wont go.
Also, after taking hiding after hiding I'm sure the young children of our county will all be queuing up to play hurling..:rolleyes:
People can call this a victory over "player power" if they want. But this is NOT in any way a victory for Limerick hurling.0 -
jordainius wrote: »No, the best thing that can happen now is that we become a bit competitive in about 5 years time, and for us to hope and pray that interest in hurling in the county doesn't go into decline in the meantime.
It already is dwindling as is being shown by the poor attendances at league games and I don't think too many fans will travel to our Munster semi final against Cork in Cork or Tipp in Thurles. People don't want to watch their team take a hiding and if they know that's whats going to happen then they just wont go.
Also, after taking hiding after hiding I'm sure the young children of our county will all be queuing up to play hurling..:rolleyes:
People can call this a victory over "player power" if they want. But this is NOT in any way a victory for Limerick hurling.
As I said, destroying the village to save it, fiddling while Rome burns and so on.0 -
Doesn't seem to deter them from showing an interest in hurling in Carlow, or Dublin. Dont forget too that Clare were getting annual hidings until the breakthrough in the mid 90's and Waterford were on the end of hidings before Gerard McCarthys era.jordainius wrote: »
Also, after taking hiding after hiding I'm sure the young children of our county will all be queuing up to play hurling..:rolleyes:
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Deleted User wrote: »Doesn't seem to deter them from showing an interest in hurling in Carlow, or Dublin. Dont forget too that Clare were getting annual hidings until the breakthrough in the mid 90's and Waterford were on the end of hidings before Gerard McCarthys era.
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As far as im concerned Last night was the nadir for limerick hurling.the county board had a chance to do something positive at last but rather than listen to the public who in the majority are angry about the whole justin saga they chose to bury their heads in the sand yet again and show what a spineless bunch of chancers they really are.
Liam Lenihan said a few weeks ago that he would step down as chairman in order to help the current problem.i havent heard of him tendering his resignation or hinting he may do so lately.
I dont hold justin responsible for all our troubles.they go deeper than that but he could have done the decent thing and walk away.but his pride and greed got in the way as if to say "how dare these upstarts challenge my authority.I am the manager, ME ME ME. i am one of the greatest coaches in the history of the gaa.those boys i had plaing for me last year are only a bunch of alcoholics and troublemakers.
yes justin.tell us about all those all irelands you won as a coach with antrim,clare and waterford and one all ireland won with a team who should have lost the 1984 munster final and afterwards who went on to win 2 other all irelands with different coaches.
justin was once a great coach but like babs and gerard who came before him has not adopted to the demands of the modern game and has been exposed at the top level.
in many ways the county board and justin deserve each other.never deal with the big issues surrounding their teams performance.always spreading lies about how players are out of control and indisciplined.funny how Justin mccarthy isnt being judged by the same standards that tom ryan was isnt it.
tell me justin of the players you labelled as troublemakers did you know that stephen lucey (not blameless here either ill admit) works as a doctoe and combined a job as a trainee doctor for about 10 years with being a dual player for limerick.also did you know that seamus hickey doesnt drink.did you know that that dreadful niall moran is coach to a school that is preparing for an all ireland schools final.did you know that donal o grady who was a sub on the 2001 all ireland winning team became one of the mainstays of the senior hurling team through dedication and hard work.also were you aware of the fact that you - yes you- justin were only too happy to play an overweight and underperforming eoin foley in a championship match after only recalling hiim 2 weeks beforehand to the exclusion of players who worked tirelessly for 6 months to make the panel.
GAA in Limerick is rotten to the core at all levels.last night was an oppurtunity to put that right.boy did they fail on that score.
We have senior hurling clubs who think they know it all.ran by dinosaurs who havent the first idea on how to run a team right.i dont know of any decent hurling trainers bar niall moran who are emerging.my home club is a shambles for picking players who show up for training (half-asred) once in a blue moon to the exclusion of honest hard working players who are discarded once league and championship comes along.i know of one decent coach in limerick gaa.primarily because he isnt one to say "yeah things are going well, training is good numbers are good, players are training hard, we were unlucky in the last match there".He gets results by applying high standards as reagrds training,attitude,discipline and match preparation.something that is severly lacking in other coaches.
before we go on the drinking culture which was shameful on the players part although grossly overstated why didnt the county board take action 6/7 years ago.why didnt club delegates and friends ever admit to the guilty parties that this is not the way to be successful.club friends of players are as guilty as anyone in building up players reputations and eventually players believe their own hype.
the county board have done nothing and i mean absolutely nothing to ensure that hurling is promoted in limerick.a disgraceful culture where anyone from junior clubs or areas like west limerick is made to feel like a second class citizen and should not waste his time trying to play for the limerick hurlers.no effort to promote schools hurling in weaker areas and also county board yes men who are in the roles on a power trip.only donal fitzgibbon is the one chairman in limerick that i can rememebr doing a decent job.
if jp mcmanus supports justin and is pulling out if justin goes let him off.i have great respect for jp.he is a great limerick fan but you cannot buy an all ireland.kerry,kilkenny and tyrone are not exactly loaded but they are delivering all irelands.its time the limerick board/public realised this.
there is wrong on all sides in the matter but in the main the guilty party is the county board who are responsicle for the mess we are in.
i would strongly propose the limerick GAA public to organize a protest against the county board who dont give a monkeys about the interets of the public.
well dont to the county board and justin.they dealt with that evil pleyer power issue once and for all.tell us what donegal and leitrim was like wont ye.0 -
Delighted enjoy having a free summer Donie Ryan and Co!0
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I've said it once and I'll say it again, Limerick hurling hit rock bottom last August in Croke Park. Let's not forget the striking team nearly and should have lost to Laois in the qualifiers a few weeks before that. And lets not forget, we have been giving respectable enough performances in the League, well for the first half at least.
If they work on their fitness they might become more competitive and I have a sneaky feeling we could turn over offaly in the League if things go right.0 -
i have just come upon this thread and as a fan of another sport i am amazed that the players involved are getting any support.
when your team is beaten by the score inflicted by tipp last year, there is something wrong.
if a team lets in that amount of scores the fault has to belong to the defence, not the manager.
as far as i am aware stephen lucey is a defender and an experienced one at that.
the year before we got hammered by kilkenny in the final and we reward our players by taking them to disneyland!
what a great incentive!
i fail to understand why there is fundraisers orgainised to pay for the teams foreign trips when some of them have more than adaquate salaries to pay their own way.0 -
I've said it once and I'll say it again, Limerick hurling hit rock bottom last August in Croke Park. Let's not forget the striking team nearly and should have lost to Laois in the qualifiers a few weeks before that. And lets not forget, we have been giving respectable enough performances in the League, well for the first half at least.
If they work on their fitness they might become more competitive and I have a sneaky feeling we could turn over offaly in the League if things go right.
Browney you have no chance of beating Offaly this weekend. Offaly have a few decent young hurlers and will take full advantage of the Limerick crisis and ensure their vital top flight status. I feel sorry for Limerick hurling people and simply can not fathom what the clubs in Limerick are thinking. Very strange decision by the clubs and ultimately could be very damaging in the long term to the GAA in Limerick.0 -
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I've said it once and I'll say it again, Limerick hurling hit rock bottom last August in Croke Park. Let's not forget the striking team nearly and should have lost to Laois in the qualifiers a few weeks before that. And lets not forget, we have been giving respectable enough performances in the League, well for the first half at least.
If they work on their fitness they might become more competitive and I have a sneaky feeling we could turn over offaly in the League if things go right.
I actually facy Limerick to beat Offaly this weekend. I saw them a few weeks against Waterford, and did not think they were as bad a side as people were saying. Maybe they were and it was Waterford were worse and made the limerick team look good on the day. (By good i mean better than people were giving them credit for)0 -
Anyone who thinks this Limerick team will beat Offaly is deluded. They have gotten nowhere near any of the teams they have played so far- teams who have fielded experimental line ups and played within themselves.
It is highly disrespectful to Offaly to suggest that they will not beat a second string team. Joe Dooley has them playing nice hurling, they do the basics well and they have done okay in the league so far. Offaly may not be one of the strongest teams, but they are not a team you can afford to have an off day against or a team you can afford to put out a severely weakened team against. They will capitalise.
I know people are trying to convince themselves that Limerick will be better off without these players, but don't disrespect counties such as Offaly in your attempts to do so.0 -
I've said it once and I'll say it again, Limerick hurling hit rock bottom last August in Croke Park.
Rock bottom has yet to come.Let's not forget the striking team nearly and should have lost to Laois in the qualifiers a few weeks before that.
We have no devine right to sweep Laois aside whenever we play them. Explain why we should have lost? As far as I recall the point of the game is to outscore the other team, and considering Laois didn't manage to do that in the end, then it is Laois who should have lost. It doesn't matter who plays best, what matters is who puts the scores on the scoreboard.
WHAT??!!! They have been easily swept aside in each game they have played!! Lets compare the 2009 panel to the 2010 one so farAnd lets not forget, we have been giving respectable enough performances in the League, well for the first half at least.
2009 NHL Galway 1-14, Limerick 1-12
2010 NHL Limerick 1-11, Galway 1-18
2009 NHL Cork 1-20, Limerick 2-16
2010 NHL Limerick 1-14, Cork 2-21
2009 NHL Limerick 2-14, Waterford 1-13
2010 NHL Waterford 2-20, Limerick 2-10
2009 NHL Tipperary 1-17, Limerick 1-11
2010 NHL Limerick 0-8, Tipperary 2-23
2009 Panel: won 1, lost 3, scored 6-53 (71), conceded 4-64 (78), points difference -7
2010 Panel: won 0, lost 4, scored 4-43 (55), conceded 7-82 (103), points difference -48If they work on their fitness they might become more competitive and I have a sneaky feeling we could turn over offaly in the League if things go right.
I refer you to my previous post on this thread.0 -
did not some of the 12 apostles travel to thurles a while back to try and entice justin mc carthy to limerick ?.
who plans a training session
who picks a team
who decides on tactics
it is not the players,
one time there was a lot of player coaches in all codes, it was easily proven that it was unworkable,
i see on tv wayne o donaghoue saying that after watching the games against cork and tipp the clubs should not have voted as they did,
after watching the game against tipp in dublin last year its no wonder the coaching staff acted the way they did.
players have no divine right to decide what is happening,
players are there to play and improve their game each time they play
coaches do not try to disimprove players
how do players improve the universally accepted reason is they train harder at each session, plus they listen to their coaches, yes LISTEN.0 -
jordainius wrote: »
WHAT??!!! They have been easily swept aside in each game they have played!! Lets compare the 2009 panel to the 2010 one so far
2009 NHL Galway 1-14, Limerick 1-12
2010 NHL Limerick 1-11, Galway 1-18
2009 NHL Cork 1-20, Limerick 2-16
2010 NHL Limerick 1-14, Cork 2-21
2009 NHL Limerick 2-14, Waterford 1-13
2010 NHL Waterford 2-20, Limerick 2-10
2009 NHL Tipperary 1-17, Limerick 1-11
2010 NHL Limerick 0-8, Tipperary 2-23
2009 Panel: won 1, lost 3, scored 6-53 (71), conceded 4-64 (78), points difference -7
2010 Panel: won 0, lost 4, scored 4-43 (55), conceded 7-82 (103), points difference -48
In fairness, I agree with Browney on that particular point.
This Limerick team have been giving decent enough first half performances. Well bar Tipp where the loss of Dean Madden in the few like 15 minutes cracked them abit (not saying that's an excuse for what happened).
The 2nd half "batins' " are down to inexperience as much as not having basic skills and the classiest players around. Some of these guys could be great in a few years. Give them time. You see Ard Scoil Rís winning the Harty Cup and now in the All Ireland final. Look at some of those prospects, Declan Hannon, John Fitz and co. This year may not be one Limerick supporters will want to remember and probably next year will be the same. But y'know, it all doesn't have to happen so fast.
And what would have happened if Justin Mc did get ousted out? The likes of Stephen Lucey and co. come back and we're back at square 1 again?
And yea, I may be deluding myself here and I may be underestimating Offaly (as I've done in the past) abit but I think we have a small glimmer of hope at defeating them (even though they will know that they've a great chance at staying up in div.1).
Well I'm gonna be up in Offaly shouting for the lads sunday.
There will, and I'm sure most people know it here, that the support on sunday will be small. Which of course, these group of hurlers don't deserve as they're out there trying their best in the midst of all this crisis.
Justin Mc is staying. And if those on strike want to show how much the future of Limerick hurling actually means to them, they'll come back to the panel. If not well...that's that.
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jordainius wrote: »
I know people are trying to convince themselves that Limerick will be better off without these players, but don't disrespect counties such as Offaly in your attempts to do so.
I never disrespected Offaly. I learned not to do that 2 seasons ago when our striking team lost by 10 points (I think it was 10 anyway) at home to be dumped out of the championship.
Read my post again there like a good man. I said "I have a sneaky feeling we could turn over Offaly in the league if things go right". Hardly disrespectful.
I have never had a worse feeling leaving a match than that day we got hammered by 24 points by our nearest and dearest. That to me was rock bottom. I don't think anything can trump that day for the utter hopelessness of the situation we found ourselves in that day. We have to build for the future now and it will be a long arduous journey. It's not as if we were world beaters before anyway.0 -
While i would agree with you that the main problem here is the county board, i don't see how sacking Justin McCarthy would be a remedy for their falings. We'd still be left with the same old firm of people who have been in power for nigh on 30 years now. We know their names so no need to mention them. Whichever way the vote went last night, Limerick hurling is doomed for the short-medium term future. Even if JMC had gotten the bullet, we'd be left with the same players as last year who aren't good enough to challenge for Munster or All Ireland honours. At least by backing JMC, the county board delegates have given the striking players a clear message that what they are doing is not acceptable.shockframe wrote: »
GAA in Limerick is rotten to the core at all levels.last night was an oppurtunity to put that right.boy did they fail on that score.
the county board have done nothing and i mean absolutely nothing to ensure that hurling is promoted in limerick.a disgraceful culture where anyone from junior clubs or areas like west limerick is made to feel like a second class citizen and should not waste his time trying to play for the limerick hurlers.no effort to promote schools hurling in weaker areas and also county board yes men who are in the roles on a power trip.only donal fitzgibbon is the one chairman in limerick that i can rememebr doing a decent job.
if jp mcmanus supports justin and is pulling out if justin goes let him off.i have great respect for jp.he is a great limerick fan but you cannot buy an all ireland.kerry,kilkenny and tyrone are not exactly loaded but they are delivering all irelands.its time the limerick board/public realised this.
there is wrong on all sides in the matter but in the main the guilty party is the county board who are responsicle for the mess we are in.
Regardless of who is in charge, or what group of players we have, we're still left with our inefficient county board. They are the route cause of all of Limerick's problems, they are the guys in charge after all. Little or nothing is being done to promote hurling in some parts of the county. I went to school in Croagh, a club with a strong hurling ethos, but if it wasn't for the efforts and work of one of my hurling-mad teachers, we never would have played hurling in school. Not once during my 8 years in primary school did Limerick hurling coaches come to my school. The only coaches that came were football ones (Joe Reddington from Monaleen) as part of the Football Development Board's schools programme - look at what progress Limerick football has made in the last decade, compared to hurling. A couple of weeks ago, i was looking at a picture of a minor team i was a member of in 2000. Of the 21 guys in the photo, including 6 subs, only 7 are still playing hurling today. Its a story that's repeated, certainly in every junior club all over the county.0 -
While i would agree with you that the main problem here is the county board, i don't see how sacking Justin McCarthy would be a remedy for their falings. We'd still be left with the same old firm of people who have been in power for nigh on 30 years now. We know their names so no need to mention them. Whichever way the vote went last night, Limerick hurling is doomed for the short-medium term future. Even if JMC had gotten the bullet, we'd be left with the same players as last year who aren't good enough to challenge for Munster or All Ireland honours. At least by backing JMC, the county board delegates have given the striking players a clear message that what they are doing is not acceptable.
I agree with you regarding the board.
The board sacked Tom Ryan because he was outspoken.
They also sacked Richie Bennis for pretty much the same reason.
They also voted against David Keane when the right thing to do would have been to give him another year.
All 3 of the above are managers who were sacked too early by the board. But for some reason a lot of people insist on blaming the players for these.
The one time we have a case where the manager put himself in a virtually untenable position (by not having the decency to inform 12 players that they were dropped thus causing this mess), they do everything they can to keep him.
If the county board take a disliking to a manager regardless of how good a job he has done, they give him the bullet. But if the players are unhappy with the manager (as is their right, and as has not happened as often as some would like to let on) they decide to turn it into some kind of power play.Regardless of who is in charge, or what group of players we have, we're still left with our inefficient county board. They are the route cause of all of Limerick's problems, they are the guys in charge after all.
Agreed. Pity more people can't see that.Little or nothing is being done to promote hurling in some parts of the county. I went to school in Croagh, a club with a strong hurling ethos, but if it wasn't for the efforts and work of one of my hurling-mad teachers, we never would have played hurling in school. Not once during my 8 years in primary school did Limerick hurling coaches come to my school. The only coaches that came were football ones (Joe Reddington from Monaleen) as part of the Football Development Board's schools programme - look at what progress Limerick football has made in the last decade, compared to hurling. A couple of weeks ago, i was looking at a picture of a minor team i was a member of in 2000. Of the 21 guys in the photo, including 6 subs, only 7 are still playing hurling today. Its a story that's repeated, certainly in every junior club all over the county.
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have the ex panel members jumped the gun, jmcc has his contract is up at the end of the championship, could they not have waited, or did they think that after a few bad results that they could not have been done without:eek:0
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Offaly will win this one I agree. Shane Dooley is in great form and will terrorise the inexperienced Limerick defence. Offaly by 5-7 points.the realpigiron wrote: »Browney you have no chance of beating Offaly this weekend. Offaly have a few decent young hurlers and will take full advantage of the Limerick crisis and ensure their vital top flight status. I feel sorry for Limerick hurling people and simply can not fathom what the clubs in Limerick are thinking. Very strange decision by the clubs and ultimately could be very damaging in the long term to the GAA in Limerick.0 -
The Limerick team, via a different forum:
Limerick team V Offaly:
Murray
Reale
Geary
Moloney
Foley
Hickey
O'Dwyer
O'Mahoney
Dodge
Moran
M O'Brien
P Browne
Donie
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Two articles from the Examiner on the row.
As a neutral, I find it utterly bizzare that the clubs backed McCarthy at the vote on Tuesday.
The notion of standing up to player power is something I also find just ridiculous, given that players should always be the most important people in the equation.O’Brien rages at backing for McCarthy
By Diarmuid O'Flynn
Friday, March 26, 2010
MIKE O’BRIEN doesn’t normally do interviews, notoriously gun-shy when it comes to facing any kind of microphone, so when you get a call from him saying he wants to talk, you know that this is an upset individual.
"I’m bulling," said the Glenroe farmer. It’s not a raging anger but it’s deep, has been building for some time, and now it needs ventilating.
It was an interview given shortly after that cull in which McCarthy made several statements suggesting that ill-discipline and a lack of commitment was behind his decision. It’s all that has happened since then, culminating in the vote at a special county board meeting last Tuesday night in which an overwhelming majority of delegates – including the delegate from O’Brien’s own club, Glenroe – voted their support for the manager.
"Since 1998, when I was called on to the panel by Eamonn Cregan, I’ve travelled into Limerick three or four times a week, 30 miles there, 30 miles back, and to be honest, that’s all I ever wanted to do. Once I got on to that panel, nothing else mattered – farming, my social life, all came behind hurling.
"Glenroe is a small place on the edge of south Limerick, only about 300 people, and I’m the first ever from this club to play senior hurling championship with Limerick; that’s a huge honour for me, and I’ve always felt that, I take great pride in that.
"Often the milking-machine might be going late into the night, to accommodate a match in the afternoon or early evening – that was never a problem, that’s what I wanted to do.
"But, when your time is up, your time is up. I’m 32 years of age and if Justin McCarthy felt I was no longer of any use to him, if he had picked up the phone and told me ‘You’re not in my plans for 2010’, I would have had no problem with that, none whatsoever. It was only a matter of common courtesy; any time I wasn’t able to make training – and that wasn’t very often, I can tell you – I’d pick up the phone and contact Justin.
"To pick up your local paper then and read that you were dropped because of disciplinary problems – I never wanted any kind of praise for anything I did, I did it because I wanted to do it, but I don’t want to read that kind of stuff in the paper either, people who don’t know me getting that impression.
"That I found really hard to take, and still do. I don’t drink, I don’t smoke, I travel 30 miles into training, 30 miles home again afterwards, often got home at nearly midnight. Many an evening I had to leave my father here to finish the cows for me, a man in his late 70s, so I could rush in to training.
"I prepared for every championship game like it was my last, and even in the league I had the same attitude. There was never any messing, I always prepared to the letter of the law – no-one can tell me that my preparation was ever less than 100%."
WHAT about everyone else though – did the same apply to them? "I’ve heard the rumours, and it’s bull*. We never lost a championship match because of drinking, we lost because we weren’t good enough on the day.
"I wouldn’t have tolerated it anyway; I’m travelling in and out from Glenroe, an hour in, an hour out; I don’t drink, I look after myself – wouldn’t I be some fool if I tolerated fellas around me acting the goat? I’d have to look at my own commitment if that was going on, but it wasn’t.
"In fact, during the year, and on many occasions, Justin McCarthy told us we were one of the best teams to train that he ever trained, that we were a pleasure to train – then he comes out and says this. It doesn’t add up. There was no more drinking going on in Limerick than any other county, probably less than a lot of them.
"As far as I’m concerned, there’s far too much focus on the players in all of this, and not enough on the manager, nor the county board. Ask yourself this – how many Limerick players went well last year? If three or four students fail their exams from a class of 30, you might blame the students, but if all 30 fail, who do you blame?
"And yet, after losing to Tipperary in the All-Ireland semi-final by 24 points, Justin was never called in by the board and asked to explain what had gone wrong. Instead, he cuts 12 guys from the panel, without a phone call, with an inference that it was because of a lack of discipline, and again he’s not asked for an explanation.
"Among the players he cuts are some of the best players in the county, with no readymade replacements lined up – how can that be right? Where’s the sense in that? Liam Lenihan is chairman of the county board, the man in charge, the top dog; how could he preside over all this? Why did he never bring in Justin after that defeat against Tipperary? Why wasn’t Justin told – ‘Look, Limerick is a proud hurling county but to be beaten in Croke Park in an All-Ireland semi-final by 24 points, to concede six goals, that’s not good enough.’
"But there was nothing made of it, the chairman of our county board never once challenged the manager to come up with answers – all the blame fell on the players."
Which brings us to Tuesday night’s board meeting, the vote for McCarthy: "Don’t talk to me," O’Brien replies. "When the first vote (of confidence) was taken (last December), Glenroe voted against Justin – there are two of us involved from the club, myself and Stephen Walsh, who was one of those who walked away after the way we were cut.
"Four hammerings later in the league, things gone from bad to worse, and the club voted for Justin – I’m still trying to get my head around that. I’m not bitter about it, this is still my club and a lot of very good people in it, but how could they do that to Stephen Walsh and myself? Didn’t they know that by voting for Justin on Tuesday they were saying they agreed with what he had done?
"Then again, I know a few of those who voted for Justin in the club and put it this way – they won’t be on The Sunday Game as hurling analysts any time soon. When your own club won’t support you, though, it’s hard to see why any other club should. I had some great times with the hurlers and the footballers, don’t regret a minute of it, but it’s a pity it ends like this."
This story appeared in the printed version of the Irish Examiner Friday, March 26, 2010
Read more: http://www.examiner.ie/sport/gaa/obrien-....l#ixzz0jI84zDU2No going back for saddened players
By Diarmuid O’Flynn
Friday, March 26, 2010
AT the conclusion of Tuesday night’s vote of the Limerick County Board which confirmed Justin McCarthy as manager of the senior hurling team for the remainder of this season at least, chairman Liam Lenihan made a heartfelt appeal that all would accept the decision, and that the players now at loggerheads with the management would return to the fold.
That invitation by the board, however, has so far been extended only towards those who walked away from the panel, the 12 who were cut last October still excluded.
1) Do you accept that it’s all over?
2) Will you consider returning to the panel now?
All 24 responded. There was just one ‘No comment’; most replies were short if not sweet, some shorter than others; many, however, were more revealing, told of the demons being suffered as players make a decision they never thought they’d have to face.
ON THE FENCE:
1) I’d prefer not to comment on my own position at this point.
SHORTEST ANSWERS:
2, 3 & 4) Yes and No (three players).
5) Probably yes; definitely no.
6) As it stands for this year, yes; no.
7) Must be the end, won’t be going back now.
8) ‘Tis the end, and I won't be back.
9) Yes; no, not a living chance in hell.
LESS SHORT ANSWERS:
10) It’s the end of Limerick hurling for me.
11) Yes this is the end, as far as I'm concerned, and as long as Justin is there I will not be back.
12) The clubs have spoken and it’s final; secondly, I'm not going to hurl under the current management team.
13) Yes, the show is over for this year, and no, am not returning – gutted.
14) End of year for Limerick hurling for 2010; will not be playing inter-county hurling this year.
15) Yes I think it’s finished for the year, and no I won't be available for selection under the current management.
LESS SHORT AGAIN:
16) Yes, it’s over; whether or not I go back is not up to me as I was dropped from the panel originally, but if was asked back I wouldn't go, it’s just not a professional enough setup for inter-county hurling.
17) Yes this is the end, but in my opinion it’s also the end of Limerick hurling. A disaster – Division 2 hurling and people are content? Can't believe the outcome. Won't go back under any circumstances – a joke.
18) It’s the end for me anyway, I'm going to concentrate on my club hurling. I never had any problem with Justin.
19) Ya, this is the end for me anyway, I won't be going back. If I met anyone from the county board today I wouldn't be responsible for myself.
MORE ELABORATE:
20) It’s the end of it for now, yes, the year is a write-off at this stage and the decision has to be respected. I can't go back as I was dropped in the first place, so the decision isn't mine. I doubt I’ll get a phonecall but if I did, I’d have no hesitation in telling Justin to shove it.
21) At this stage I just want to let the thing off. Hurling for Limerick has been my life and is my heart; what’s gone on has been heart-breaking. I don't know where I, as a hurler, am going for the rest of my career, and more importantly, I don't know where we as a county are headed. Time to just can the publicity and let what’s going to happen develop.
22) Very disappointed but I don't see what else can be done. We have all given our lives to hurling since a young age and to see it turn out like this against us is very disappointing; will I play while Justin is still in charge? Not after the way he treated us. At the end of the day we were 24 Limerick men and we want only what’s best for Limerick hurling – nothing else.
23) I was one of the 12 originally cut from the panel in October, for whatever reason I still don't know, so don't think I would have much choice to go back or not; if asked, I wouldn't go anyway. The whole thing is a farce and a disgrace and I don't think it’s the end of it yet. A sad day for Limerick hurling.
24) It is the end, and no way would I ever play under him again. Anyway the 12 who were dropped don't have a choice, but already they are back pressurising the lads that walked. [Tuesday] night was simple – ‘We’ll show them players, sure they got hammered by Tipperary! We beat player power!’. Absolute f***ing joke. We don't deserve success in this county – a political battle was won, hurling is F***ED.
This story appeared in the printed version of the Irish Examiner Friday, March 26, 2010
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The real Limerick team for the Offaly match.
1 Tadgh Flynn Ahane
2 David Lynch Na Piarsaigh
3 Des Kenny Ballybrown
4 Shane O Neill South Liberties
5 Lorcan O Dwyer Pallasgreen
6 Andrew Brennan Caherline
7 Nicky Quaid Effin
8 Brian O Sullivan Kilmallock
9 Paul Browne Bruff
10 Paudie Mc Namara Murroe Boher
11 Dean Madden Bruff
12 James O Brien Bruree
13 Graham Mulcahy Kilmallock
14 Anthony Ownes South Liberties
15 Ricard Mc Keogh Kildimo
16 Barry Hennessy Kilmallock
17 Stephen O Connell Adare
18 Cian Hayes Kildimo
19 Tomas O Brien Patrickswell
20 Peter Russell Monaleen
21 Sean Herlihy Monagea
22 Alan o Connor Ballybrown
23 Cathal Mullane Kileedy
24 Kieran O Rourke Bruree
Anyone know who the captain is? I suppose Stephen O'Connell is the "official" captain as the only Adare man?0 -
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jordainius wrote: »Um, why would you post something which is so obviously not true?!
Because I have a sense of humour?0 -
Read the Examiner Article and it seem's as if its over for the players this year unfortunatle.I would like to see some come back into the fold as i feel Limerick Desperatly need them but i also think Justin was right to dump the Guys he dumped!To Think if only he picked up the Phone and said look your off this wouldn't havent occurred!(well thats what the players say).I have been Critical of the players and rightly so after the Tipp Shamble!But i think its time some of them came back as witout them we are doomed...i hoped they would come back under justin the likes of hickey gav etc... but that seems highly unlikely! The only option now is for a great Hurling Man who i honestly believe was doing the best for Limerick to leave the county with his record intact as if he stayed on it would destroy Limerick Hurling and His own Brilliant Record.0
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hi special one, who would replace him, would there be interest in the job from many top class coaches, or would the 11 apostles tell the co board that unless their nominee got the job they would not return, where would the supporter who has been putting his hand in his pocket for the last 20 - 30 years be then0
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Division 2 next year. And the sickening thing is that offaly were there for the taking, right at the very end.0
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Not Quite Down Yet Would need to Beat The Dub's!Have Faith!0
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TheSpecialOne wrote: »Not Quite Down Yet Would need to Beat The Dub's!Have Faith!
also a win over kilkenny iirc. A win over dublin, i'd try to be optimistic for but kilkenny with the ballyhale contingent back....
And our points deficit compared to that of any other team is just abit.. -49 (like that!)
Although it was good to see the lads hanging in there for the full 70 against a preety much full strength offaly.0 -
hi special one, who would replace him, would there be interest in the job from many top class coaches, or would the 11 apostles tell the co board that unless their nominee got the job they would not return, where would the supporter who has been putting his hand in his pocket for the last 20 - 30 years be then
While Limerick only have 2 games left and one is against my own county Dublin I would love to see these players get a win.
I have supported the Justin camp from day 1 and I hope he stays on. The players were dropped, for whatever reason and what IF some saviour arrived and dropped another 6 or 7 lads where would that leave Limerick? Another walk out? Its not as if the lads who were dropped had closets full of medals. It needed a new broom and its time to move on
The real Limerick supporters should be out supporting these lads and encouraging their friends to support them also. Who knows what the summer will bring. Possibly a win or two which I would'nt rule out as I have heard from a few lads some of the players who are currently playing are improving quite a bit.
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soccymonster wrote: »also a win over kilkenny iirc. A win over dublin, i'd try to be optimistic for but kilkenny with the ballyhale contingent back....
And our points deficit compared to that of any other team is just abit.. -49 (like that!)
Although it was good to see the lads hanging in there for the full 70 against a preety much full strength offaly.
this taken from the Limerick Leader.So if Dublin have two points going into the last game and Limerick have 0 then it's winner take all for the Dublin /Limerick last game of who stays in div 1.
Limerick must win one of their final two games to avoid a drop to Division Two.
Next Sunday four-in-a-row All-Ireland champions Kilkenny come to the Gaelic Grounds while on April 18, in Parnell Park, Limerick face Anthony Daly's Dublin.
That clash in the capital could yet be a relegation decider.
A new ruling means that unless Dublin can take something from their next match against Galway, they will face in a winner-takes-all encounter with Limerick on the last day of the league season as the primary determinant of who survives when points are level is the result between the two counties.0 -
Oh, sound!:)
if we defeat dublin and have a larger points deficit, they get shifted down to division 2? (taking into account the result that limerick and dublin both lose next weekend).
I didn't hear about this new ruling.0 -
We won't beat Dublin. They are a different kettle of fish to Offaly.
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If the Dubs lose to Galway , a win or a draw V Limerick will see them stay up, if thy lose they are down to Div 2. This will put enormous pressure on the Dubs, while no real pressure on Limerick, I think a similar performance of character and belief - á la V Offaly - might make it a very interesting game.0 -
We won't beat Dublin. They are a different kettle of fish to Offaly. .
No There not...they are the most overrated team in Ireland and will struggle this year to make the quarter finals. if they where any good they wouldn't be doing brutal in the league and would have taken that Quarter final last year vs Limerick.They like to think there good but there not...at least down here we realise where going no-where.0 -
We won't beat Dublin. They are a different kettle of fish to Offaly.
I was proud of the lads for the performance they put in at the weekend.
Offaly comprehensively defeated Dublin a few weeks back. Dublin generally lack the confidence and arrogance that teams like Tipp, Cork, KK have.0 -
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Great win for the footballers down in Ennis today to keep the promotion hopes alive. Final score 14 points to 2-6.0
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0-14 to 2-7 i heard on 95fm? Either way, we had raced into an 8 point lead by mid-way point of the second half, playing very well against the wind in the first. Then, the lads did what they normally do, and fell asleep for 15 mins letting Clare put 1-4 on the scoreboard in ten mins. Why oh why do they always do this!! They just totally lose concentration in the second half of every game, they're as predictable as the weather. Do something about it Mickey Ned or it'll be another short summer in the qualifiers.Great win for the footballers down in Ennis today to keep the promotion hopes alive. Final score 14 points to 2-6.0 -
0-14 to 2-7 i heard on 95fm? Either way, we had raced into an 8 point lead by mid-way point of the second half, playing very well against the wind in the first. Then, the lads did what they normally do, and fell asleep for 15 mins letting Clare put 1-4 on the scoreboard in ten mins. Why oh why do they always do this!! They just totally lose concentration in the second half of every game, they're as predictable as the weather. Do something about it Mickey Ned or it'll be another short summer in the qualifiers.
Errortel must have been wrong when I checked it.
A win is a win is a win I suppose. I wouldn't be too worried yet Grenache. We have always been a championship team. If we can get to the Munster final we can have a right good crack off Kerry or Cork.0 -
0-14 to 2-7 i heard on 95fm? Either way, we had raced into an 8 point lead by mid-way point of the second half, playing very well against the wind in the first. Then, the lads did what they normally do, and fell asleep for 15 mins letting Clare put 1-4 on the scoreboard in ten mins. Why oh why do they always do this!! They just totally lose concentration in the second half of every game, they're as predictable as the weather. Do something about it Mickey Ned or it'll be another short summer in the qualifiers.
Mickey Ned needs to get in a sports psychologist to help them with this lack of concentration in the last quarter of the game. It happens every match and is losing them matches they should be winning by miles.0 -
A respectable enough performance against Kilkenny today and the hammering I was expecting didn't quite materialise. Couldn't make it to the game myself but a 16 point to 2 - 17 defeat isn't the end of the world I suppose. It might just give the lads a bit of a boost before going into the match versus Dublin.0
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It was actually the same margin of defeat that we suffered to Kilkenny in the 2007 All Ireland final. Do or die next week! pity it is on in Parnell parkA respectable enough performance against Kilkenny today and the hammering I was expecting didn't quite materialise. Couldn't make it to the game myself but a 16 point to 2 - 17 defeat isn't the end of the world I suppose. It might just give the lads a bit of a boost before going into the match versus Dublin.0 -
Is it next weekend or the weekend after for the Dublin match? I think we have a chance of taking them. Dublin will still be favourites but we're going up there with nothing to lose. All the pressure will be on Daly's Dubs. That was a great performance today, especially considering the presence of new guys on the team like O'Herlihy. It should give them a big confidence boost and a bit of self belief. Limerick have an excellent record against Dublin and this bunch of hurlers have shown their mettle in the last few weeks. I'll be heading up to give them my full support.0
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This is a massive game for ourselves and we owe Limerick big style for the two defeats last year but it will be tight and hopefully home advantage will pull us through as we've played well against Tipp, were unlucky against the Cats and hit the suicide button against Cork with all our wides.0
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Absolutely no doubt in my opinion that the Dubs will win.
At present they are suffering from the dreaded "second season syndrome", they have been unlucky in a lot of their games and the burden of increased expectation is weighing down on them.
But I am full certain that Anthony Daly will have them well up for this match. A winner takes all play-off on Dublin's turf, with a two week gap, plenty of times to pick themselves up and get the heads right coming into this match.
The Dubs have home advantage and better players. Its hard to look past that.
Something that really worries me for Limerick this year is that after every game we keep hearing how they gave everything they have, and never gave up. Despite the fact that Limerick have given 100% against teams giving 50% they still have shipped a fair few hidings. The only game that has shown any positive signs whatsoever is the Offaly game. Apart from that there have been a few good spells either once the game has been over as a contest or when the opposition has fielded mainly inexperienced players.0 -
There are reasons for Limerick to be optimistic and Dublin to worry.
They have nothing to lose and Dublin have everything to lose. When I say Limerick have nothing to lose I mean that in the sense of what is happening at the moment in Limerick hurling and a lot of people expect them to lose. When this is the case they could well get a result. Dublin as has been said are hitting this second season syndrome and are expected to win. If things dont go well for Dublin early in the game and Limerick get a sniff of winning they could well cause an "upset".
As a Dublin man I hope Dublin win. I know what people have put in to developing hurling and bringing it out of the doldrums in the city and county and would just like to see them stay in Division 1.0 -
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Thats the truth. Its false to think running Kilkenny to 6 or 7 points has any great meaning. Theres been too much talk of moral victories and plucky performances by young lads. The table will read Played 7 Lost 7.jordainius wrote: »Absolutely no doubt in my opinion that the Dubs will win.
At present they are suffering from the dreaded "second season syndrome", they have been unlucky in a lot of their games and the burden of increased expectation is weighing down on them.
But I am full certain that Anthony Daly will have them well up for this match. A winner takes all play-off on Dublin's turf, with a two week gap, plenty of times to pick themselves up and get the heads right coming into this match.
The Dubs have home advantage and better players. Its hard to look past that.
Something that really worries me for Limerick this year is that after every game we keep hearing how they gave everything they have, and never gave up. Despite the fact that Limerick have given 100% against teams giving 50% they still have shipped a fair few hidings. The only game that has shown any positive signs whatsoever is the Offaly game. Apart from that there have been a few good spells either once the game has been over as a contest or when the opposition has fielded mainly inexperienced players.
Limerick have absolutely no reason to be optomistic about their chances against Dublin. None! Dublin will up their game, because they have to for this one. There can be only one winner, and it won't be the plucky young fellas thrown it at the deep end.0
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