Crystal Meth and Ireland

Augmerson · 19-10-2012 5:41pm #1

I used to live in Vancouver, Canada back in 2007/2008. I saw there that they have a big problem with Crystal Meth and a lot of cities in North America experience similar trouble. It's a very powerful drug that creates a super high but absolute destroys your system and people end up in bits through abusing it.

I always wondered why Crystal Meth never seemed to take off the way it did in Europe the way it did in America. Europe seems to be more into Heroin. America more into Meth.

Do you guys think it might change in the future, that Meth might become big here?

Where To · 19-10-2012 5:42pm

Did she not die yesterday?

Internet Hero · 19-10-2012 5:42pm

yes i think one day scopolamine and crystal meth will turn ireland into a hell on earth. it is just aorund the corner id say...

Diageio_Man · 19-10-2012 5:56pm

season 6 of breaking bad walt moves to leitrim and starts knocking out some grade A blue, you'll just have to wait op.

Gee Bag · 19-10-2012 6:01pm

We've been hearing about an imminent wave of meth for at least 15 years, I'll believe it when it happens

ScumLord · 19-10-2012 6:02pm

Augmerson wrote: »

I always wondered why Crystal Meth never seemed to take off the way it did in Europe the way it did in America. Europe seems to be more into Heroin. America more into Meth.

Didn't people turn to meth due to not having access to the the popular drugs?

Internet Hero · 19-10-2012 6:03pm

Gee Bag wrote: »

We've been hearing about an imminent wave of meth for at least 15 years, I'll believe it when it happens

it has to happen...

Fr_Dougal · 19-10-2012 6:04pm

Stephen Ireland is taking crystal meth? :eek:

Gee Bag · 19-10-2012 6:04pm

Internet Hero wrote: »

it has to happen...

Why?

Conmaicne Mara · 19-10-2012 6:05pm

Just get Sargent Gerry Boyle on the case :cool:

Proper cop not whining about his wages.....

senorwipesalot · 19-10-2012 6:05pm

Say what you like, Crystal Meth are the best band to come out of Cork in years.

Internet Hero · 19-10-2012 6:05pm

Gee Bag wrote: »

Why?

just does...people always want the next high and if there is money to be made it will be made...

msg11 · 19-10-2012 6:08pm

They might try making it themselves and hopefully blow themselves up in the process. If the making of meth dose not go to plan the **** seriously hits the fan.

FloatingVoter · 19-10-2012 6:08pm

Its already been spotted by drug treatment centres and cops in Dublin West. Inevitable that in a country like Ireland it will arrive. Expect a lab explosion in Dublin or Cork soon (idiots with a web recipe) - followed by the revelation of an industrial scale lab in the likes of Cavan or Mayo (somewhere isolated).

Gee Bag · 19-10-2012 6:08pm

Internet Hero wrote: »

just does...people always want the next high and if there is money to be made it will be made...

Sorry, I need a bit more than your opinion to be convinced.

Augmerson · 19-10-2012 6:09pm

ScumLord wrote: »

Didn't people turn to meth due to not having access to the the popular drugs?

Well....you say popular drugs, and it's the US....so I think of Cocaine first and Weed second. Cocaine is expensive, but Weed isn't. Weed doesn't deliver the same powerful high as Coke or Meth though. So, maybe not access but maybe a question of bang for your buck...might as well get Meth and get totally 100% ****ed out of it if you don't have much money in the first place.

Internet Hero · 19-10-2012 6:10pm

Gee Bag wrote: »

Sorry, I need a bit more than your opinion to be convinced.

yeah im just guessin but it seems possible anyway

hope not though!

suicide_circus · 19-10-2012 6:10pm

Meth came here with people from the former soviet bloc but i can't explain why it hasn't taken off. The only users i know in Dublin are not Irish. Its a massive issue in the likes of Czech Rep. It is made with stuff which is no that hard to obtain.
I havnt watched breaking bad, i have heard its great. But i have tried Meth and i can confirm the high is exquisite.

Gee Bag · 19-10-2012 6:12pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

Meth came here with people from the former soviet bloc but i can't explain why it hasn't taken off. The only users i know in Dublin are not Irish. Its a massive issue in the likes of Czech Rep. It is made with stuff which is no that hard to obtain.
I havnt watched breaking bad, i have heard its great. But i have tried Meth and i can confirm the high is exquisite.

I watched the first season and a half of Breaking Bad, I thought it was utter shyte. I seem to be the minority though.............

Dead Man Walking · 19-10-2012 6:13pm

As much as I love the show, if meth did take hold here, i'd partially blame breaking bad. A few wannabies will be caught that way. It's a real 'pushers' drug with a lot of different gangs trying to get it to take a hold. Hopefully we stick to the more chilled out vibe of heroin, and hopefully heroin suits the Irish psyche better than meth. The devil you know and all that. The "best" way to stop meth taking hold is to let good quality heroin circulate. Heard of a lot of people making a trip down to Cork last week on the hunt after a few people overdosed. Pure indication of the crap that is being peddled as heroin these days.

ScumLord · 19-10-2012 6:14pm

FloatingVoter wrote: »

Expect a lab explosion in Dublin or Cork soon (idiots with a web recipe) - followed by the revelation of an industrial scale lab in the likes of Cavan or Mayo (somewhere isolated).

Heroin users don't want meth though, why would they go to all the effort to make meth when they can just buy heroin?

The dealers are treating the junkies like cash cows, the most economical thing to do is buy cheap heroin and milk your addicts for cash. There's little financial incentive to start distributing meth in Ireland other than it being the "it" drug at the moment. If meth is more harmful than heroin and started eating into the number of available junkies to tap for money the dealers may not want to shorten the lifespan of their cash cow.

Gee Bag · 19-10-2012 6:14pm

Dead Man Walking wrote: »

Hopefully we stick to the more chilled out vibe of heroin

You've clearly never been mugged with a syringe by a gang of junkies.

Tom_Cruise · 19-10-2012 6:15pm

I think it is probably here already, just not in large amounts.

I know in Australia you have to produce ID when buying Sudo-fed, and even then you can only buy a box or two.

Kurz · 19-10-2012 6:18pm

Dead Man Walking wrote: »

As much as I love the show, if meth did take hold here, i'd partially blame breaking bad.

Cop on will ya. This isn't eight years olds jumping off a slide to copy Jackass, nobody is going to enter a life of drug addiction/selling drugs because they want to be cool like on a TV show. You must be shocked that we didn't have a massive surge in the amount of serial killers after the success of "Dexter".

hardCopy · 19-10-2012 6:18pm

It's that Krokodil you wanna watch out for. Mad scary stuff. Limbs falling off and everything.

msg11 · 19-10-2012 6:18pm

Dead Man Walking wrote: »

As much as I love the show, if meth did take hold here, i'd partially blame breaking bad. A few wannabies will be caught that way. It's a real 'pushers' drug with a lot of different gangs trying to get it to take a hold. Hopefully we stick to the more chilled out vibe of heroin, and hopefully heroin suits the Irish psyche better than meth. The devil you know and all that. The "best" way to stop meth taking hold is to let good quality heroin circulate. Heard of a lot of people making a trip down to Cork last week on the hunt after a few people overdosed. Pure indication of the crap that is being peddled as heroin these days.

We just have to hope that people come to there senses and realize it is a a TV program. They will start having to put, please don't try this at home at the start of it. Sadly you'll get an gob****e that will try it, either gas himself making it, blow the place up or make a deadly batch of the stuff and kill someone. It's one drug that should be left to the professionals to make, they know how to handle the chemicals and the process for making the drug and how to handle the making of it without flattening the house.

I think it is mainly the reason it has not arrived yet is because the people that know how to make it won't.

suicide_circus · 19-10-2012 6:21pm

Tom_Cruise wrote: »

I think it is probably here already, just not in large amounts.

I know in Australia you have to produce ID when buying Sudo-fed, and even then you can only buy a box or two.

yep same in Czech, if you buy otc meds containing psuedoephedrine (sp?) you have to give i.d. and your name goes in.a database.

senorwipesalot · 19-10-2012 6:24pm

hardCopy wrote: »

It's that Krokodil you wanna watch out for. Mad scary stuff. Limbs falling off and everything.

I cant eat chicken drumsticks since watching that Krokodil video.

Internet Hero · 19-10-2012 6:25pm

hardCopy wrote: »

It's that Krokodil you wanna watch out for. Mad scary stuff. Limbs falling off and everything.

that is coming also. they are all coming, like scopolamine too. ireland will be a drugs hell soon

Augmerson · 19-10-2012 6:28pm

ScumLord wrote: »

Heroin users don't want meth though, why would they go to all the effort to make meth when they can just buy heroin?

The dealers are treating the junkies like cash cows, the most economical thing to do is buy cheap heroin and milk your addicts for cash. There's little financial incentive to start distributing meth in Ireland other than it being the "it" drug at the moment. If meth is more harmful than heroin and started eating into the number of available junkies to tap for money the dealers may not want to shorten the lifespan of their cash cow.

Makes sense. Heroin does kill junkies too though, I doubt dealers give a flying **** if junkies are well as long as they can use.

Maybe it's the intense process of making Meth and all the trouble that goes into it that makes it less likely to take hold here....for now?

Loopy · 19-10-2012 6:33pm

Google image crystal meth.
Ugh, really nasty drug.

krudler · 19-10-2012 6:42pm

Dead Man Walking wrote: »

As much as I love the show, if meth did take hold here, i'd partially blame breaking bad. A few wannabies will be caught that way. It's a real 'pushers' drug with a lot of different gangs trying to get it to take a hold. Hopefully we stick to the more chilled out vibe of heroin, and hopefully heroin suits the Irish psyche better than meth. The devil you know and all that. The "best" way to stop meth taking hold is to let good quality heroin circulate. Heard of a lot of people making a trip down to Cork last week on the hunt after a few people overdosed. Pure indication of the crap that is being peddled as heroin these days.

Its not like the show glamorises it, the opposite in fact.

Dead Man Walking · 19-10-2012 6:46pm

Kurz wrote: »

Cop on will ya. This isn't eight years olds jumping off a slide to copy Jackass, nobody is going to enter a life of drug addiction/selling drugs because they want to be cool like on a TV show. You must be shocked that we didn't have a massive surge in the amount of serial killers after the success of "Dexter".

Murderers aside. I meant it reference in to people already moving in drug circles. I never knew it could be extracted from sudofed before I seen the show. If I was hell bent on fcuking myself up with hard drugs I'd have a go at making it if I could get my hands on the materials.

Dead Man Walking · 19-10-2012 6:47pm

krudler wrote: »

Its not like the show glamorises it, the opposite in fact.

This is true

Loopy · 19-10-2012 6:49pm

Dead Man Walking wrote: »

If I was hell bent on fcuking myself up with hard drugs I'd have a go at making it if I could get my hands on the materials.

Take before and after pics for the lolz if you ever do..

dirtyden · 19-10-2012 7:00pm

Tom_Cruise wrote: »

I think it is probably here already, just not in large amounts.

I know in Australia you have to produce ID when buying Sudo-fed, and even then you can only buy a box or two.

That is the case in many US states too. Here the pharmacists will notify the Gardai if they observe people buying a lot and i think there is a maximum quantity you can buy at any one time also. It is not a problem here though. I know people working in the state lab and some people working in the drug squad and every now and again there is a small spike in seizures but it is very much small time. The main drug dealers/kingpins in ireland deal in heroin, cocaine, cannabis and have no interest in meth.

senorwipesalot · 19-10-2012 7:03pm

http://www.google.ie/imgres?start=86&hl=en&safe=off&biw=1212&bih=724&tbm=isch&tbnid=anYYjzSDhdvCoM:&imgrefurl=http://www.broadsheet.ie/tag/meth/&docid=eaNakwOI73bOzM&imgurl=http://www.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/methsteve-thumb-600x241-38638.jpeg&w=600&h=241&ei=WZWBUKmNFpC6hAfu1oCQCA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=800&vpy=329&dur=2368&hovh=142&hovw=355&tx=163&ty=94&sig=112674511755676359002&page=5&tbnh=110&tbnw=276&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:5,s:100,i:19

Internet Hero · 19-10-2012 7:05pm

senorwipesalot wrote: »

http://www.google.ie/imgres?start=86&hl=en&safe=off&biw=1212&bih=724&tbm=isch&tbnid=anYYjzSDhdvCoM:&imgrefurl=http://www.broadsheet.ie/tag/meth/&docid=eaNakwOI73bOzM&imgurl=http://www.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/methsteve-thumb-600x241-38638.jpeg&w=600&h=241&ei=WZWBUKmNFpC6hAfu1oCQCA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=800&vpy=329&dur=2368&hovh=142&hovw=355&tx=163&ty=94&sig=112674511755676359002&page=5&tbnh=110&tbnw=276&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:5,s:100,i:19

i doubt hes the only hollywood actor on meth, theres probably a few of them...

planetX · 19-10-2012 7:07pm

Had a boyfriend who destroyed himself on crystal meth - that was in the mid 90s in the US. It all came from Mexico, along with all the weed. Maybe that's why it never came here... Ireland has no border with a poorer/ more chaotic country.

BillyMitchel · 19-10-2012 7:07pm

It's already started it certain parts of Dublin. Not much but it's here. If it catches it will certain places will become zombie towns.

omahaid · 19-10-2012 7:07pm

If you claim the drugs are just to keep peoples spirits up you might get a suspended sentence

http://w.joe.ie/news-politics/current-affairs/drug-dealer-says-he-was-trying-to-keep-peoples-spirits-up-0026580-1

Judge Martin "No Jail" Nolan. As long as you don't deal garlic that is.

Odysseus · 19-10-2012 7:08pm

Its here but there are not that many using it. Though one client I know was making their own and fcuk me in a matter of weeks he looked like Vincent Price. I have seen people damaged by drugs but christ he went downhill fast.

At the moment opiates are the big thing and I can't really see that changing.

19-10-2012 7:09pm

BillyMitchel wrote: »

It's already started it certain parts of Dublin. Not much but it's here. If it catches it will certain places will become zombie towns.

Dublin's a bit big to call a town.

Northern Monkey · 19-10-2012 7:09pm

Heisenberg was spotted in Dublin today, so it's coming :pac:

http://entertainment.ie/cinema/news/Hey-Breaking-Bad-fans!-We-just-met-Bryan-Cranston/146356.htm

Spunge · 19-10-2012 7:12pm

Speed, which is just meth, has been in ireland for years. Just not hugely popular, and i never knew anyone who got addicted to it, just did it a few times.
Methamphetamine itself is not a dangerous drug, it has no more ill effects than adderall or other amphetamines. THe problem with smokign crystal meth is that its a huge dosage, so you get a long lasting intense high.

I bet most people think crystal meth is some magically different drug to the speed they've taken before but in reality the subjective effects are the same, talking ****, lots of energy etc. just that its in crystal form.

Meth is even used for ADHD in the form of Desoxyn, albeit at a low dose, and is meant to be quite effective with no real abuse potential

kodoherty93 · 19-10-2012 7:21pm

Meth is generally made in Mexico (where most of the us drugs are produced) and is brought across the border. Its fairly easy to smuggle in large amounts of Drugs in Ireland without getting caught. Like the people who tried to smuggle like a ton of cocaine into Ireland via cork were caught when there boat had diesel instead of petrol and had to be rescued.

Looking at dog the bounty hunter on dmax 98% of the people he arrests are non-white addicted to meth. Its a poor mans drug which you function when your on it. At least with heroin looking at the addicts in Dublin they are still able to function.

But people here would be able to make high grade meth considering who large and complex are pharmaceutical industry is

Loopy · 19-10-2012 7:21pm

It's unbelievable how it affects people's appearance. Big horrible sores all over them and how quickly it ages users.

NegativeCreep · 19-10-2012 7:31pm

Internet Hero wrote: »

i doubt hes the only hollywood actor on meth, theres probably a few of them...

Hey remember Lori (Eric Foreman's sister) from that 70's show?

http://www.google.ie/imgres?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1C1DVCL_enIE418IE432&authuser=0&biw=1366&bih=667&tbm=isch&tbnid=jDVmUqc1WbEV4M:&imgrefurl=http://www.dlisted.com/taxonomy/term/143&docid=X6Gq5YO38XKGgM&imgurl=http://www.dlisted.com/files/lisarobinkellysetup.jpg&w=445&h=334&ei=9ZuBUOn2BIiShgem94DQDA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=865&vpy=157&dur=339&hovh=144&hovw=192&tx=152&ty=114&sig=102415729482939640346&page=1&tbnh=134&tbnw=179&start=0&ndsp=16&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:0,i:72

Augmerson · 19-10-2012 7:32pm

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Hey remember Lori (Eric Foreman's sister) from that 70's show?

http://www.google.ie/imgres?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1C1DVCL_enIE418IE432&authuser=0&biw=1366&bih=667&tbm=isch&tbnid=jDVmUqc1WbEV4M:&imgrefurl=http://www.dlisted.com/taxonomy/term/143&docid=X6Gq5YO38XKGgM&imgurl=http://www.dlisted.com/files/lisarobinkellysetup.jpg&w=445&h=334&ei=9ZuBUOn2BIiShgem94DQDA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=865&vpy=157&dur=339&hovh=144&hovw=192&tx=152&ty=114&sig=102415729482939640346&page=1&tbnh=134&tbnw=179&start=0&ndsp=16&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:0,i:72

:eek:

Loopy · 19-10-2012 7:33pm

Andre Agassi dabbled apparently too..
Reckoned it was Ace.

Emeraldy Pebbles · 19-10-2012 7:36pm

krudler wrote: »

Its not like the show glamorises it, the opposite in fact.

Yeah, it's like saying The Sopranos glamorises the mafia lifestyle. Yes, you see the highs of the lifestyle but also the devastating lows. Who'd aspire to a life of always looking over one's shoulder?

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