Gas boiler replacement

logistic · 25-06-2012 8:24pm #1

Some advice needed. Im going to replace the gas boiler in my house and have had a number of quotes from a plumber, bord gais and airtricity.

Airtricty quoted in putting in a Vaillant system boiler, replacement controls, 2 zone controls, cylinder stat, magna cleaner and magna cleanser and some trv's.
BG quoted for a glowworm boiler, think its a system boiler, need to confirm, keeping the current controls I have, didn’t mention a cylinder stat and some trv's
and the
plumber a Worcester system boiler, and the rest the same as airtricy.
This is what I’ve been quoted.
Airtricty comes in at 3200
BG 3100
Plumber 3300

What’s are people options on the quotes, am I being ripped off or is this the norm? Is a system boiler the correct choice or should I look at a combination boilder instead?

JohnnieK · 25-06-2012 10:28pm

Regards BG i cant believe you have been quoted that for a boiler only:eek:.

The other two with out looking would be close to the norm for an overhaul of the system that your getting.

Vaillant would be a better boiler but Worcester has a better warranty and back up service (5years if he is a Worcester reg installer) See if they will trough in a pre-insulated cylinder if you dont already have one.

logistic · 26-06-2012 2:09pm

Thanks for the reply JohnnieK.

I’ve been told the Vaillant will come with a 5 year warranty.

I need the clarify BG as it seems very expensive just for a boiler replacement.

Ive already have a copper cylinder hot press but it needs to be lagged.

Just to add the airtricity quote has already factored in the 560 seai grant.

I have another quote for Baxi Megaflow system boile (comes with 5 years warranty) comes in at €3,200 and that’s before I apply for the grant.

So what order would you put these boilers in

Baxi, Worcester, Vaillant or Glowworm? Im now favouring the Baxi install due to the total cost but how does the boiler compare to the others?

JohnnieK · 26-06-2012 2:26pm

In order i would put Valiant and Worchester up front. Then glow-worm and finally Baxi. Sorry but i have just come across to many problems with Baxis over the years. The new generation megafow looks neat but they are literally off the shelf but they couldn't be worse then the last one.

For the Airtricity and BG price i would be insisting on a new pre-insulated cylinder. Much better than just a jacket around your existing one.

MiniGolf · 26-06-2012 8:19pm

JohnnieK wrote: »

Regards BG i cant believe you have been quoted that for a boiler only:eek:.

The other two with out looking would be close to the norm for an overhaul of the system that your getting.

Vaillant would be a better boiler but Worcester has a better warranty and back up service (5years if he is a Worcester reg installer) See if they will trough in a pre-insulated cylinder if you dont already have one.

Depending on the model of Worcester boiler we (*) can offer up to a 7 Year Warranty.
They have recently added the non-system Greenstar Ri model to the 7 year warranty list!!

(* By we I mean Worcester Accredited Installers *)

Looking at the prices quoted above I think I need to up mine!!

;)

What area are you in OP??

DGOBS · 26-06-2012 8:22pm

I don't see how Vailliant is any better than the Worchester, more complex controls and diagnostics, but to the end user I could not justify the increased cost of the boiler

JohnnieK · 26-06-2012 10:43pm

MiniGolf wrote: »

Depending on the model of Worcester boiler we (*) can offer up to a 7 Year Warranty.
They have recently added the non-system Greenstar Ri model to the 7 year warranty list!!

(* By we I mean Worcester Accredited Installers *)

Looking at the prices quoted above I think I need to up mine!! ;)

What area are you in OP??

Looking for a bit of work there MiniGolf??

JohnnieK · 26-06-2012 10:44pm

DGOBS wrote: »

I don't see how Vailliant is any better than the Worchester, more complex controls and diagnostics, but to the end user I could not justify the increased cost of the boiler

Who actually warrants Vaillant in Ireland now?

We both know where my allegiance lies with German Boilers

logistic · 26-06-2012 11:31pm

JohnnieK wrote: »

Looking for a bit of work there MiniGolf??

Based on his comments id gladly take a quote

Thanks for your replies JohnnieK.

JohnnieK · 27-06-2012 12:01am

logistic wrote: »

Based on his comments id gladly take a quote

Thanks for your replies JohnnieK.

Just one last thing. Make sure your system is chemically power flushed before the new boiler goes in. No point using a new engine on dirty oil

and the manufacturers recommend it.

MiniGolf · 27-06-2012 7:35pm

JohnnieK wrote: »

Looking for a bit of work there MiniGolf??

Not for at least a month and a half.
Can't keep up with it at the moment!!:D

I just finished my 14th straight day of work!!!! I need a rest

DGOBS · 07-09-2012 9:31am

Do you work for them?

sullzz · 16-02-2013 9:22am

Lennox121 wrote: »

Fantastic service and what you pay for is what you get !! Thanks again justin & Connel

Hmmmmn a 6 month wait to re advertise your company , putting flyers would have been a better approach

gdavis · 16-02-2013 2:35pm

unbelieveable

JohnnieK · 16-02-2013 7:54pm

Hhhmmm enough said.

spireland32 · 16-02-2013 8:48pm

What a clown

Dtp79 · 16-02-2013 9:31pm

spireland32 wrote: »

What a clown

+1

gdavis · 17-02-2013 9:39am

I did an AMAZING job last week.It was just awesome,i cant point that out enough.thanks again to ME and id gladly reccommend ME to anyone,anytime anywhere cos im ridiculously unbelievably brilliant.contact details below.....

DGOBS · 18-02-2013 12:17am

LMAO

micks_address · 06-03-2014 11:29am

Hi Guys,

Question re boiler replacement.. ours is at least 15 years old and wondering would we see an improvement in efficiency and runinng costs if we got it changed? Its an Ideal boiler...

Do Bord Gais do any kinds of scheme where you pay for the cost of a boiler replacement over a couple of years on your bill?

Cheers,
Mick

JohnnieK · 11-03-2014 12:08pm

micks_address wrote: »

Hi Guys,

Question re boiler replacement.. ours is at least 15 years old and wondering would we see an improvement in efficiency and runinng costs if we got it changed? Its an Ideal boiler...

Do Bord Gais do any kinds of scheme where you pay for the cost of a boiler replacement over a couple of years on your bill?

Cheers,
Mick

If you're just changing the boiler you could look at between 5/10% on savings per annum.

I know they used to do it on the drip but not sure now.

cerastes · 12-03-2014 11:20pm

JohnnieK wrote: »

Just one last thing. Make sure your system is chemically power flushed before the new boiler goes in. No point using a new engine on dirty oil and the manufacturers recommend it.

Is there a standard for that, so a customer knows they are getting what a manufacturer will accept so a warranty will not be voided?
or does the installer have to be certified by the manufacturer?

Dtp1979 · 12-03-2014 11:43pm

cerastes wrote: »

Is there a standard for that, so a customer knows they are getting what a manufacturer will accept so a warranty will not be voided?
or does the installer have to be certified by the manufacturer?

For the powerflush?

cerastes · 13-03-2014 12:15am

yes, but maybe more a checklist than a standard? for a customer from a customer perspective, so they know their warranty will be valid.
there seems to be a variation on whats good and whats not good enough,
ie how long might it be expected to take, guessing that wont be fixed for different places, but how will a customer know they have had a thorough and complete powerflush completed.

Dtp1979 · 13-03-2014 12:25am

cerastes wrote: »

yes, but maybe more a checklist than a standard? for a customer from a customer perspective, so they know their warranty will be valid.
there seems to be a variation on whats good and whats not good enough,
ie how long might it be expected to take, guessing that wont be fixed for different places, but how will a customer know they have had a thorough and complete powerflush completed.

First off chemical cleaner must be used. Fernox or sentinel.
Ideally put into the system a few days beforehand.
A powerflushing machine must be used on the day. My own machine has 3 extra large magnets but these aren't essential, it just makes the Job easier.
It usually takes a full day to flush, depending in system size. After the flush inhibitor should be added. Ideally fernox or sentinel.

cerastes · 13-03-2014 12:35am

and for a warranty to remain valid with a manufacturer, is there something a customer should look for regarding this? other than a receipt.
something that says a certain standard has been completed, even if it doesn't include every step, something to cover the customer should they need to follow any issue up with the manufacturer?

anthonyos · 13-03-2014 12:59am

There is a warranty card that needs filling out and returned to the manufacturers to validate the warranty I have never sent one back ever and have gotten warranty calls no problem.i think it has to do with how big of a fish you are for instance if you buy a boiler every 2 weeks your a nobody if you buy 2 a day they will look after you

JohnnieK · 13-03-2014 8:45am

cerastes wrote: »

yes, but maybe more a checklist than a standard? for a customer from a customer perspective, so they know their warranty will be valid.
there seems to be a variation on whats good and whats not good enough,
ie how long might it be expected to take, guessing that wont be fixed for different places, but how will a customer know they have had a thorough and complete powerflush completed.

First off. The installer needs to use a machine for the powerflush. Good chemicals are a must like fernox, sentinal or kamco.

The flush lasts a day not a couple of hour's.
The right amount of chemicals need to be used? Most will do up to 10 single panel rads in a domestic scenario.

When the system is refilled a good inhibitor is needed in the same quantities as the flushing chemical.

And regards warranty.
Once the cupboard door is closed the home owner needs to remember there is a boiler and heating system there.

It needs to be maintained annually and if it is drained in any way more inhibitor needs to be added.

Gas boiler replacement

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