Do you think Lawyers are worth their fees?

Don't know, never needed one.

Wouldn't have a clue cos i've never needed one.
Trick is to not get caught:cool:

Surely though the lawyer would've went through the costs beforehand?

fulhamfanincork wrote: »

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Depends on what they're doing for you I guess, sure some are better than others but that goes for every service you avail of.. it's up to you to weigh up what's available before you commit to anything

Diana Chilly Beekeeper wrote: »

Sorry, I now see sense. There is no doubt in my mind that every one of them are complete scumbags with no redeeming features. Each and every one of them are only in it for the money and couldn't give a hoot about their clients needs. They are all lacking in integrity and practical ethics and there is not one of these 'people' that take any pride in their work.

Yes, this sums up the legal profession perfectly.

I work with them on a regular basis as part of my job. Like any profession there are those amongst them who are unsavory, arrogant and incompetent but most are a pleasure to deal with and genuinely trojan in the amount of hours they put in - so yes, for the amount of years they train and the sheer depth of knowledge they need to have to practice, I do think that their fees are fair enough.

Edited to say... Actually if I had to differentiate I'd say that barristers are worth their fees - solicitors, not so much.

Diana Chilly Beekeeper wrote: »

Sorry, I now see sense. There is no doubt in my mind that every one of them are complete scumbags with no redeeming features. Each and every one of them are only in it for the money and couldn't give a hoot about their clients needs. They are all lacking in integrity and practical ethics and there is not one of these 'people' that take any pride in their work.

Just like the politicians

And the teachers

And the Garda

And the builders

etc etc etc

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Its a black and white world isn't it

Good man Slasher.

The poor pen pusher probably didn't even know the court rule's. They are available in the law society criminal litigation.It clearly states that the solicitor is obliged to cease acting for the client in such an event. He still gets paid.

Good God how does it fell to have spoken with one of these eejits.

Pirelli, you don't get sarcasm do ya?

No i dont think they are worth their fee;s. Laywers and barristers. However Judges need a good fee as they have a big burden to bear.

Jev/N wrote: »

Pirelli, you don't get sarcasm do ya?

Your not the brightest smartie either, he had few choices, He could argue that the solicitor is being lied too by the client but the court rules as specified in the law society criminal litigation rules provide that a solicitor has an armoury of options to handle clients of such a nature.The obvious one being he can withdraw his services immediately. The solicitor can even silence the client from speaking if he likes. You should read it...this type of behaviour doesn't have to be tolerated.

It might be after hours but slasher really came up with a rubbish point. As it happened he gave in gracefully perhaps ruefully. I would have liked slasher to have said that well you cannot even have a civil conversation with a solicitor without them lying to you.

More than likely the bastard was leaving Irish law because he had a property portfolio in bulgaria and was absconding the country top avoid detection.

Diana Chilly Beekeeper wrote: »

I should have replied to you, you did make a good and valid point regarding the rules of court.

But I am no longer going to take part in any conversations where wild presumptions are made, ie that he and all solicitors are bastards.
Such statements made about any profession are ridiculous imo

Slasher: I apologise, however do not underestimate how useless irish solicitors are.
Look at Willy O'Dea, aside from the fact he was previously a legal eagle does not overshadow the poor work done by the solicitor that represented him. They should have at least checked all of the facts out. Perhaps Willys resignation suggests there was more to it than that. However it shouldn't have happened.

I took the matter up in the legal forum where alot of solicitors give their opinions. I was told that it is not incumbent upon a solicitor to investigate anything.

Despite the fact it might cause a national scandal or might cause an innocent man to take a guilty plea, a solicitor is apparently under no obligation to investigate any facts. If the DPP has a book of evidence and it is full of lies your solicitor can not defend you. They will advise you to plead guilty. They are such an easy push over.

It is not nice having to depend on people like this for our freedoms and for the excerise of our rights and protection of the constitution. These values are simply in the wrong hands. Hence the reason for the excessive insults to match the excessive fees.

Sometimes if they are not utterly incompetent or lose your case or dump it for a better one they are charming and they have an aura of professionalism but in the end this ends in them trying to rip you off. They are not a nice bunch of people.

There are some good lawyers. I just watched a courtcase in Amercia where an assistant coach was accused of masterbating in public next to the stands in a home football game, In fact he had medical condition prostate related and was trying to urinate during a home game off to the side.

He was blatantly innocent and you just wanted to strangle the prosecution. His lawyer was brilliant truly great and defended him and shouted down the prosecution, i mean you knew they were being bastards. He was found not guilty of course. These guys are great...but American lawyers do investigate Facts. In nearly 90 % of miscarriages of justice i have looked at the defendants attorny made no attempt to challenge any of the facts and more than likely made no effort to investigate them. Thsi is becoeming the norm for miscarrigaes of justice.

As long as the irish solicitor maintains that it is not incumbent on them to investigate any facts then they are a good example of why micarriages of justice are guaranteed in ireland.

The big law firms are good at suing people but they are out of reach of the lay person and representative of larger corporations. The solicitors that advertise fees available to the general public are usually a slippery bunch.

No, the whole system of law is banjaxed IMO so that makes the people working in it not worth anything. The law system turns very smart people into simple cogs in a big bureaucratic mess. We're working off 200 year old texts instead of facts and circumstances in some cases.