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Mitchell 'exonerated' over Mahon

  • 10-05-2012 8:52pm
    #1
    rodento
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    In a statement released tonight the party said having considered the tribunal’s findings against Olivia Mitchell TD she should be “exonerated of any complaint”.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0510/breaking44.html

    It said while “it was inappropriate in light of what we now know for the then-councillor Mitchell to accept the donation in question, her actions have not brought the party into disrepute.

    Can anyone explain to me how accepting an inappropriate donation does not bring a party into disrepute, kinda speechless


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  • #2
    Sierra Oscar
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    FG afraid of a by-election in Dublin South and are unwilling to call Mitchell's bluff.

    A shame that this came in the way of doing the right thing.


  • #3
    fasttalkerchat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    rodento wrote: »
    Can anyone explain to me how accepting an inappropriate donation does not bring a party into disrepute, kinda speechless

    This is Irish politics we're talking about, in context it was only a few hundred on the side sure...


  • #4
    nuac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,769 ✭✭✭nuac


    What about the two by four club.?

    The threat of a resignation by Deputy Mitchell and a by-election never crossed the minds of the committee


  • #5
    steelcityblues
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    They should not be acting as defense attorney.


  • #6
    thebman
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    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    FG afraid of a by-election in Dublin South and are unwilling to call Mitchell's bluff.

    A shame that this came in the way of doing the right thing.

    What have they to be afraid of though?

    Judging from the polls, they'd walk it.

    Unless they have no other decent candidate in that area.


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  • #7
    Sierra Oscar
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    thebman wrote: »
    What have they to be afraid of though?

    Judging from the polls, they'd walk it.

    Unless they have no other decent candidate in that area.

    National polling is not all that useful when it comes to predicting by-elections.

    Just look at the Dublin-West by-election last year for example. FG were polling on 40% and their candidate received a mere 14% of the vote.

    The issue would also be compounded within Dublin South for Fine Gael as the departure of Olivia Mitchell would destroy the parties organisation within the constituency.


  • #8
    Dannyboy83
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    rodento wrote: »
    Can anyone explain to me how accepting an inappropriate donation does not bring a party into disrepute, kinda speechless

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  • #9
    raymon
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    rodento wrote: »
    In a statement released tonight the party said having considered the tribunal’s findings against Olivia Mitchell TD she should be “exonerated of any complaint”.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0510/breaking44.html

    It said while “it was inappropriate in light of what we now know for the then-councillor Mitchell to accept the donation in question, her actions have not brought the party into disrepute.

    Can anyone explain to me how accepting an inappropriate donation does not bring a party into disrepute, kinda speechless

    This is shocking........ in my view she should have been expelled immediately .

    If this was a FF TD there would be uproar.

    Disgraceful !!


  • #10
    blowtorch
    Registered Users Posts: 178 ✭✭blowtorch


    "..........exonerated of any complaint" What kind of statement is that? Is she exonerated of any wrongdoing though?

    + She's still held in 'high standing' within the party. That says a lot about FG then. Sure, you can dodgily take money from developers now and there's nothing wrong with that - probably because they're all at it anyway.

    What about the investigation into planning that has been shelved by Big Phil (one of the areas is his own Constituency, where he was actually a Councillor at one stage). Couple that with what's coming out in Dungarvan (not through political investigations mind you, but by a whistleblower in the form of a spouse). Other councillors are now saying that they thought there was something wrong at the time........

    FG = FF (Didn't Micheal Martin and Simon Coveney make a lovely couple on TV during a
    debate on the Treaty?)


  • #11
    Wider Road
    Registered Users Posts: 196 ✭✭Wider Road


    raymon wrote: »
    rodento wrote: »
    In a statement released tonight the party said having considered the tribunal’s findings against Olivia Mitchell TD she should be “exonerated of any complaint”.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0510/breaking44.html

    It said while “it was inappropriate in light of what we now know for the then-councillor Mitchell to accept the donation in question, her actions have not brought the party into disrepute.

    Can anyone explain to me how accepting an inappropriate donation does not bring a party into disrepute, kinda speechless

    This is shocking........ in my view she should have been expelled immediately .

    If this was a FF TD there would be uproar.

    Disgraceful !!



    Raymon, given your opinion on this decision, I think it's the right time for you to start a thread on what FG & it's grassroots stand for?

    I'm not surprised by this decision. At first I thought FG would make an example of Mitchell but FG don't want a by-election, do they?


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  • #12
    raymon
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    Wider Road wrote: »
    Raymon, given your opinion on this decision, I think it's the right time for you to start a thread on what FG & it's grassroots stand for?

    I'm not surprised by this decision. At first I thought FG would make an example of Mitchell but FG don't want a by-election, do they?

    Wider road

    The fact that there are a few bad apples in FG doesn't make the FF barrell any less rotten.

    This Mitchell affair is a disgrace.


  • #13
    Wider Road
    Registered Users Posts: 196 ✭✭Wider Road


    raymon wrote: »
    Wider Road wrote: »
    Raymon, given your opinion on this decision, I think it's the right time for you to start a thread on what FG & it's grassroots stand for?

    I'm not surprised by this decision. At first I thought FG would make an example of Mitchell but FG don't want a by-election, do they?

    Wider road

    The fact that there are a few bad apples in FG doesn't make the FF barrell any less rotten.

    This Mitchell affair is a disgrace.



    The problem is that there is so many more cases that's not been addressed. Does anyone believe that the only corruption took place in Dublin, yet no inquiries are currently taken place. Why?
    I know of a case a few miles from me, where land was sold at a huge price during the boom for housing. The problem was there were 3 other building estates taking place in the same village! First one was completed, second one was nearly there, third one was just starting. Yet people saw fit to grant permission for a fourth estate, mainly thanks to the landowner having a close relationship with Councillors and indeed a TD. The third estate still is unfinished & thankfully the fourth one never started. The problem is that the land is now resting in NAMA & the word around the area is that the original landowner will eventually buy back the land at a fraction of the price that he paid for it.
    This is one story in one village that in all probability will never be investigated, yet it happened before our eyes.


  • #14
    raymon
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    Wider Road wrote: »
    The problem is that there is so many more cases that's not been addressed. Does anyone believe that the only corruption took place in Dublin, yet no inquiries are currently taken place. Why?
    I know of a case a few miles from me, where land was sold at a huge price during the boom for housing. The problem was there were 3 other building estates taking place in the same village! First one was completed, second one was nearly there, third one was just starting. Yet people saw fit to grant permission for a fourth estate, mainly thanks to the landowner having a close relationship with Councillors and indeed a TD. The third estate still is unfinished & thankfully the fourth one never started. The problem is that the land is now resting in NAMA & the word around the area is that the original landowner will eventually buy back the land at a fraction of the price that he paid for it.
    This is one story in one village that in all probability will never be investigated, yet it happened before our eyes.

    I agree , I think we are both on the same side in this debate


  • #15
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,453 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    the local paper reported on the local draft development plan a local village with an empty estate and plenty of sites /development land has had its residential zone extended !!!!!

    anyway as far as FG go ssem to be part of the problem not part of the solution (this just copper fastens my opinion of FG)

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • #16
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    ednwireland wrote: »
    the local paper reported on the local draft development plan a local village with an empty estate and plenty of sites /development land has had its residential zone extended !!!!!

    anyway as far as FG go ssem to be part of the problem not part of the solution (this just copper fastens my opinion of FG)

    Meanwhile Donegal Co Co scream blue murder about the An Taisce report on planning.

    Reform is an absolute priority. Ireland is fked without sensible planning decisions being made free of political influence .


  • #17
    Sierra Oscar
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    raymon wrote: »

    This Mitchell affair is a disgrace.

    I agree - FG themselves admit that the payment was inappropriate, but absolutely no disciplinary action has been taken due to the fact that Olivia Mitchell is a prominent member of FG and accordingly the rules do not seemingly apply to her.

    Be careful FG. Your failure to disicipline your members who have acted inappropriately will ultimately ensure that corruption will creep into the party over time. Learn from the mistakes that FF made.


  • #18
    ednwireland
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    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    Be careful FG. Your failure to disicipline your members who have acted inappropriately will ultimately ensure that corruption will creep into the party over time. Learn from the mistakes that FF made.


    no they wont - sadly

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • #19
    thebman
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    ednwireland wrote: »
    no they wont - sadly

    Its all cool though, that is what elections are for :cool:

    I look forward to rewarding their stupidity :P

    Makes my treat them like dogs way of looking at politicians seem ever more reasonable :)


  • #20
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,106 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    thebman wrote: »
    Its all cool though, that is what elections are for :cool:

    I look forward to rewarding their stupidity :P

    Makes my treat them like dogs way of looking at politicians seem ever more reasonable :)

    The thing is, i really really honestly dont thing they even care. Once they have the minister seat secured they are quite happy to ride out what ever time they are given. Then its pensions time Wooo Hoooo party.

    Its a bloody disgrace that there is no performance rating required.


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