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Why are people so afraid of gay marriage?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    Shellie13: I do think you are being awfully unfair. People do have genuine reservations towards gay marriage, and if one isn't willing to openly discuss the matter that's the intolerance not opposition to it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Shellie13 wrote: »
    Amazing- a thread initially started to debate the points of gaymarriage has decesded into some non-sensical homophobic rant. Why are some people opposed to gay marragie?! - Because they're hateful and ignorant and the only way for them to feel secure in their misrible little existence is to bully a minority group.
    ohhh, the irony.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭jaffa20


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    ohhh, the irony.
    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Don't feed the troll, maybe if we ignore him he will go away.

    @itsonlywords: There are other ways to get your opinion across than slandering people, be respectful in your opponency to Homosexuality and others will be respectful to you.

    You did say opponency to "homosexuality" and not "gay marriage" which is the subject of the thread.

    @Jackass

    Also, there are a lot of evasions to discussing the benefits of gay marriage as i have highlighted a few pages ago. These have not been hightlighted, simply the tedious points in opposition to it which cannot be proven unless gay marriage exists.

    Also, one comment replies such as the above do not achieve anything constructive.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    we would have all kids born from lesbians by artificial insemination like in the animal world in hoses and cows (never looked at that analogy before, interesting)and raised by men in daddy/daddy homes. What a sick world it would be. men down in trenches with limp wrists digging muck , what a laff

    1) Homosexuality isn't a contagious disease. Not everyone would become gay. "all kids born from lesbians by A.I."? Give me a break.

    2) What's so bad about the scenario anyway? I'd much rather two loving, caring, supportive people of the same sex raise a child than two warring, dysfunctional, angry people of the opposite sex raise a child. Which scenario do you think the child would be happier in? Not YOU; the child.

    I really, honestly don't get the "two gay people shouldn't raise a child" thing.
    It's about the circumstances and the personalities and relationship dynamic of the parents involved, NOT about their gender or sexual preference.
    If it's because they couldn't naturally have children, what say you to a straight couple in which the female is barren or the male impotent? Are they now not allowed to raise a child simply because they're physically incapable of doing so (arguably a decision by your god to make them so, if you believe in that sort of thing)?
    I doubt you would have a problem with that.
    So what if two wonderful, lovely, motherly lesbians or gay men raised a child, gave it everything it needs in life, and raised it to be a lovely adult? Would that still be worse than, say, an alcoholic, abusive father and a mother who enables it, simply because they can physically procreate and therefore have more of a "right" to a child?

    SEXUALITY MEANS FÚCK ALL.
    It has no influence on ANYONE except for the people involved.

    Personality and morals, on the other hand, do make a difference. Gender doesn't dictate that. A male and a female won't guarantee a happy relationship or happy marriage or happy children. Circumstances, personalities and upbringing will.

    Why even bring genitals into it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    jaffa20 wrote: »
    You did say opponency to "homosexuality" and not "gay marriage" which is the subject of the thread.
    True but that was only in relation to itsonlywords.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ChocolateSauce


    Shellie13 wrote: »
    Amazing- a thread initially started to debate the points of gaymarriage has decesded into some non-sensical homophobic rant. Why are some people opposed to gay marragie?! - Because they're hateful and ignorant and the only way for them to feel secure in their misrible little existence is to bully a minority group.

    Most people opposed to it are not hateful, they genuinely believe their reasons are sound. Their ability to ignore evidence is spectacular, but hateful they are not.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 76 ✭✭TiwstaSista


    MultiUmm wrote: »
    I can't get my head around it. I realise some people argue that marriage has always been between a man and a woman and the like, but how would it really affect peoples day to day lives? (Excluding the gay couple o/c.)

    Others, mainly Christians, argue that gay couples will want to marry in churches, when in reality I'd guess most gay couples wouldn't be too pushed about a religious ceremony.

    So can anyone give me a few reasons as to why so many people are still against gay marriage? And for those of you who are against it, can you tell me how it will drastically change/affect your lives?

    N.B: I've decided that adoption inevitably has become a topic of discussion, so feel free to include it in posts.


    God Created man and God give him a woman and not a man to help him. Neither did God create a woman and a woman. If you are a Christian you will understand why they do not agree of such gay
    marriages. If you believe and read bible then you will know why Christians are against such marriages. I do not think it would affect me that much but I would be saddened because as a christian we would like to see
    more people to be saved and such things are against of what we believe.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 339 ✭✭itsonlywords


    Most people opposed to it are not hateful, they genuinely believe their reasons are sound. Their ability to ignore evidence is spectacular, but hateful they are not.
    Totally agree with you there. There is no hate but maybe the emotion I sometimes express and probably wrongly so,is sadness and pity for people with this condition. That unfortunately is how I think as I see homosexual behaviour as wrong, against God, but for an atheist, against laws of nature. Love between two people is not in itself wrong, and of course it cannot be but sexual relations between two persons of the same sex is clearly wrong and unnatural.
    I am particularly upset about all this because I was the victim of abuse by a homosexual. A sexual opportunist who took advantage of a kid to satisfy his abnormal sexual desires.This leaves a mark. I do not ignore evidence and maybe I see evidence that you fail to see. Just a short point, there is a guy who is a long term victim of homosexual abuse by a priest, and appears on TV regularly, and I often wonder if he was not subjected to a sustained level of homosexual assault over many years, would he be normal now? Was he conditioned because of those assaults. My honest belief is that he was conditioned.
    In my own case my brother was conditioned by sisters treating him like their little sister and encouraged participation in girly things and dressed him up etc. This was conditioning also. I bet if you ask all homosexuals you will find a large percentage who are conditioned and therein lies the danger that adoptive parents who are homosexual will condition their care to abnormality. We all know the expression "black cat.... black kitten.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 78 ✭✭EJLL


    God Created man and God give him a woman and not a man to help him. Neither did God create a woman and a woman. If you are a Christian you will understand why they do not agree of such gay
    marriages. If you believe and read bible then you will know why Christians are against such marriages. I do not think it would affect me that much but I would be saddened because as a christian we would like to see
    more people to be saved and such things are against of what we believe.

    Please get help! Get out and socialise with people. You live in a very small world. I'm not being smart for the sake of it, but your insulated existence dumbfounds me. I am a Christian. I would gladly give up the label to avoid being placed in the same bracket as you. How do you live with those thoughts in your head? It scares the sh*t out of me.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,905 ✭✭✭Aard


    We all know the expression "black cat.... black kitten.
    Yet by your own admission, you are living proof that one can have "homosexual conditioning", and not turn out gay! Logic ... failing ...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 457 ✭✭MrMicra


    I support a civil partnership system which would be marriage de facto. I have no personal objection to the word marriage but would prefer if some of the inequities faced by homosexuals were addressed rather than an 'equality agenda'.

    The following situations could be considered by those who don't want gay marriage/ civil partnership.

    Allbert and Ernest live together for some decades in a loving relationship. Ernest is now in his 70s and Albert is in his 60s. Albert is hospitalised. He slips into a coma. One of Albert's nieces gives an instruction that Ernest is not to be admitted during visiting times when she is present. Another of Albert's nieces contacts the hospital and objects to the other niece's instruction. When Ernest diffidently visits the hospital the nurse on duty says, not unkindly 'you've caused us alot of trouble'.

    Albert will not recover from his coma. Albert's three nieces are deciding what to do (they all love Albert and two of them talk to Ernest). He is a bit relieved that the decision is not his to make but should it be.

    Albert's pension is structured such that Ernest receives spousal benefit (Albert made the provision discreetly in the early 1980s) unfortunately inheritance tax is now due on the house they share and while Ernest can pay this it is a large chunk of the money that Albert carefully protected for him.

    Mary and Anne are lovers. Anne is widowed Mary has never been married. They have lived together for 7 years. Anne has 2 children from her relationship with her late husband. The children are 9 and 11. Anne dies.
    The children's grandmother wants custody of them, even though in her will Anne has said specifically that she would like Mary to continue to rear them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ChocolateSauce


    Black cat black kitten? I suggest you learn some genetics too. My black cat just gave birth to five kittens, and only one is black.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭fatmammycat


    Totally agree with you there. There is no hate but maybe the emotion I sometimes express and probably wrongly so,is sadness and pity for people with this condition. That unfortunately is how I think as I see homosexual behaviour as wrong, against God, but for an atheist, against laws of nature. Love between two people is not in itself wrong, and of course it cannot be but sexual relations between two persons of the same sex is clearly wrong and unnatural.
    I am particularly upset about all this because I was the victim of abuse by a homosexual. A sexual opportunist who took advantage of a kid to satisfy his abnormal sexual desires.This leaves a mark. I do not ignore evidence and maybe I see evidence that you fail to see. Just a short point, there is a guy who is a long term victim of homosexual abuse by a priest, and appears on TV regularly, and I often wonder if he was not subjected to a sustained level of homosexual assault over many years, would he be normal now? Was he conditioned because of those assaults. My honest belief is that he was conditioned.
    In my own case my brother was conditioned by sisters treating him like their little sister and encouraged participation in girly things and dressed him up etc. This was conditioning also. I bet if you ask all homosexuals you will find a large percentage who are conditioned and therein lies the danger that adoptive parents who are homosexual will condition their care to abnormality. We all know the expression "black cat.... black kitten.

    You're talking about Colm O'Gorman- a man I've met and it would be hard pressed to find a nicer and more engaging person, and your armchair psychological profiling is so ridiculous it actually would make me laugh if you were not so offensive. He was abused all right, but by a predator, a priest whose sexual preferences may have been boys, the same way that some predators go for girls, it is not a homosexual thing, it is a deviant sexual predator thing. It didn't 'turn' Colm gay anymore than your sisters loving and playing with your brother 'turned' him gay.
    Nothing pisses me off more when people like you try to conflate two seperate issues to further your agenda along, and your disgusting 'pity' of your poor brother only makes you out as a shallow twit with no more compassion than a shoe. Your brother is a gay man, you should love him and support him and keep your big beak out of his bedroom.
    In a way it is actually preferable to see Christians like you, wishy washy 'hate the sin not the sinner' idiots make my skin crawl. I suppose deluded as you are at least you're open about it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    fatmammycat:
    In a way it is actually preferable to see Christians like you, wishy washy 'hate the sin not the sinner' idiots make my skin crawl. I suppose deluded as you are at least you're open about it.

    Would you call Jesus of Nazareth an idiot then for holding this ideology when He met people to share the Gospel with?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭fatmammycat


    Jesus- as far as I know- died 2000 years ago, he's hardly relevant to the topic at hand. I couldn't care less what he had to say on any topic, no more than I care what Hercules had to say on any topic.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Jesus- as far as I know- died 2000 years ago, he's hardly relevant to the topic at hand. I couldn't care less what he had to say on any topic, no more than I care what Hercules had to say on any topic.
    I think someone ate a bit too much bitter soup this morning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭jaffa20


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    I think someone ate a bit too much bitter soup this morning.

    i think someone doesn't like someone else to have the last word.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ChocolateSauce


    I think all that can be said has been said.

    /thread.


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