I hate the M50 [Warning post #222]

CarrickMcJoe · 11-11-2015 9:09am

It's the lax attitude the guards have when there's an accident. This mornings accident happened at 5am. Investigation and clearing the road won't be finished till 12 noon.
Should be able to clear things up in a shorter time.

Seth Brundle · 11-11-2015 9:15am

CarrickMcJoe wrote: »

It's the lax attitude the guards have when there's an accident. This mornings accident happened at 5am. Investigation and clearing the road won't be finished till 12 noon.
Should be able to clear things up in a shorter time.

The occupant of the car has serious injuries according to the Irish Times. This type of forensic investigation is usually completed for serious incidents including those that involve a fatality (which I hope this one does not turn into).
I don't believe that the gardai are being lax rather than being thorough. It's not as if they want to stand around in the pissing rain for the craic?

copacetic · 11-11-2015 9:16am

CarrickMcJoe wrote: »

It's the lax attitude the guards have when there's an accident. This mornings accident happened at 5am. Investigation and clearing the road won't be finished till 12 noon.
Should be able to clear things up in a shorter time.

Crash with serious injury could lead to all kinds of court cases, life changing for at least a small number of people. Full investigation of every aspect at the scene required. Hardly a 'lax' attitude. A 'lax' attitude would be clearing a serious accident without full investigation to get traffic running better.

Superhorse · 11-11-2015 9:17am

Patww79 wrote: »

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That's because it is phones that are the number one cause of traffic incidents imo. People like to blab on about bad driving but you will find that in every orbital route in a city on the planet it's not confined to the M50 alone. Drivers have their head buried in their mobiles checking out facebook or sending that all important life or death "did you see united last
night" text.

We don't need new traffic enforcement laws we simply need to enforce the ones at present with bigger penalties. Have massive fines (in excess of 5k euro) and a possible 3 strikes and you are out policy for mobile use when driving and I can guarantee accidents will drop dramatically if people know they could lose their licence for good. Will we see this, of course not as the people commiting these offences are voters also and we all know how goverance works.

andekwarhola · 11-11-2015 9:18am

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Reporting a Truck and car have collided. I use the m50 the odd time and I'm not surprised there's daily mayhem.

Heavy traffic is one thing, but it's complicated by a large majority who seem to have no idea how to drive responsibly and safely - undertaking, not merging properly, stuck in the middle / overtaking lane are behaviours I observe when I do use it

Add the weather this morning to the cocktail of bad driving and congestion. Probably more to come.

OldMrBrennan83 · 11-11-2015 9:20am

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Klopp · 11-11-2015 9:23am

I commute everyday up and down the M50 and you do notice a lot of people on their phones and in their hands. Like some previous poster mentioned, it needs to be policed better with bigger punishments handed out. The police and can easily contact a mobile operator and check if the person was sending a text or using data for social media. A nice big fine of 3/5K and ban them from using the Motorway for x amount of months.

CarrickMcJoe · 11-11-2015 9:23am

Lax was the wrong word I used there alright, but a thorough investigation shouldn't take so long.

Superhorse · 11-11-2015 9:25am

Patww79 wrote: »

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Honestly pal I've driven on my motorbike in at least 40-50 countries world wide and that kind of driving is everywhere. People are dicks but I honestly believe smartphone use is a massive problem actually it's an epidemic now given that people are unable to put them down when out for dinner or in the pub with their friends.

Gone Drinking · 11-11-2015 9:25am

thierry14 wrote: »

Really getting sick of these idiots crashing on The M50

How ****ing thick do you have to be to crash there.

How the **** can they not drive in a straight line without crashing.

Crashing into a truck, what the ****.

Spare a minute to think of someone who was seriously injured, their family and what they might be going through this morning..

I was driving for an hour and a half this morning, over an hour late for work but at the end of the day, things could be a lot worse.

I lost a family member to a traffic accident and it was posted on breakingnews.ie before I knew about it. People were leaving not so nice comments and speculating to as whos fault it was. It isn't nice when you're on that side of the comments.

Seth Brundle · 11-11-2015 9:29am

Klopp wrote: »

The police and can easily contact a mobile operator and check if the person was sending a text or using data for social media

You can't prove that the driver was the one using the phone at the time so that wouldn't work.

Klopp wrote: »

A nice big fine of 3/5K and ban them from using the Motorway for x amount of months.

The existing fine of €1k is sufficient. It just needs to be implemented!

CarrickMcJoe wrote: »

Lax was the wrong word I used there alright, but a thorough investigation shouldn't take so long.

I'm sure the experts who carry out these investigations are able to accurately estimate the time required to forensically inspect the scene and then clear it up afterwards.

bucketybuck · 11-11-2015 9:35am

Gone Drinking wrote: »

Spare a minute to think of someone who was seriously injured, their family and what they might be going through this morning..

And who's fault was it?

Heroditas · 11-11-2015 9:36am

bucketybuck wrote: »

And who's fault was it?

We don't know yet but that doesn't change the fact that someone is seriously injured

thierry14 · 11-11-2015 9:37am

Gone Drinking wrote: »

Spare a minute to think of someone who was seriously injured, their family and what they might be going through this morning..

I was driving for an hour and a half this morning, over an hour late for work but at the end of the day, things could be a lot worse.

I lost a family member to a traffic accident and it was posted on breakingnews.ie before I knew about it. People were leaving not so nice comments and speculating to as whos fault it was. It isn't nice when you're on that side of the comments.

I am sorry for my comments, I feel bad writing them and I do feel sorry for the family.

But this is the most important road in all of Ireland and when there is a crash its chaos.

They are nearly all avoidable, it's bad driving.

I don't think the guardai should be spending as much time investigating on the M50 as they do other roads

It causes too much disruption.

OldMrBrennan83 · 11-11-2015 9:39am

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Gone Drinking · 11-11-2015 9:44am

bucketybuck wrote: »

And who's fault was it?

Would you care if that was your sister, mother, daughter or wife that was in a critical condition there this morning?

thierry14 · 11-11-2015 9:48am

Gone Drinking wrote: »

Would you care if that was your sister, mother, daughter or wife that was in a critical condition there this morning?

M50 has gotten so bad, we have to forget about the sympathy.

It's harsh, but it's a huge problem.

Government have built a road that's unavoidable and different rules should apply.

Elmer Blooker · 11-11-2015 9:51am

Reading this thread it seems bad driving and not an infrastructure at breaking point is the problem, add in a long car commute due to bad planning, a non existent public transport system and we get what we deserve.
Just wait until we get a few centimeters of snow this winter - you ain't seen nothin' yet!

Q_Ball · 11-11-2015 9:57am

I'd like them to extend the fencing on the bridge the whole way along the motorway. It's one thing to be caught in traffic because of an accident ahead but it really annoys me when traffic is backed up on the other side because people slow down to have a look.

L1011 · 11-11-2015 9:58am

Collateral tailbacks added 45 mins to my 25mins journey to the train station due to traffic going against me blocking junctions and so on.

Time to reconsider the walk / 15 minute interchange wait in the rain to take the train the whole way.

bucketybuck · 11-11-2015 9:59am

Heroditas wrote: »

We don't know yet but that doesn't change the fact that someone is seriously injured

The fact that someone is seriously injured does not retrospectively change their poor driving into good driving.

Having sympathy for the consequences does not mean they should escape criticism for the cause.

Gone Drinking wrote: »

Would you care if that was your sister, mother, daughter or wife that was in a critical condition there this morning?

I'd care about my family member, but at the same time that doesn't absolve them for causing the crash in the first place.

delahuntv · 11-11-2015 10:06am

Looking at the photos, the car seems to have come on at the ramp at Lucan and gone onto the motorway crossing over the "ghost island" lined area and into the path of a truck.

Yes, you feel sad for her injuries, but also the standard of driving by a small minority of driver is appalling. Every week there's an accident on the M7 around Naas/Newbridge and according to gardai, most are caused by a motorist jumping lanes to get to their destination 5 seconds quicker.

One solution is the installation of average speed camera zones (SPECS) - works exceptionally well in Northern Ireland and is now the favoured option in the UK. Accdents on the A1 dropped by over 70% since 2006 and thus a massive saving for society on time delays and cost of injuries.

ohnonotgmail · 11-11-2015 10:07am

bucketybuck wrote: »

The fact that someone is seriously injured does not retrospectively change their poor driving into good driving.

Having sympathy for the consequences does not mean they should escape criticism for the cause.

I'd care about my family member, but at the same time that doesn't absolve them for causing the crash in the first place.

We dont know yet if the person injured is the one who caused the crash or if they were driving poorly. you seem to have already convicted them.

bucketybuck · 11-11-2015 10:09am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

We dont know yet if the person injured is the one who caused the crash or if they were driving poorly. you seem to have already convicted them.

No, I simply have an opinion on what happened.

SEPT 23 1989 · 11-11-2015 10:09am

Everyone reading this will go home tonight to their families this person won't and maybe never will,what's an hours inconvenience in the grand scheme of things?

thierry14 · 11-11-2015 10:14am

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Everyone reading this will go home tonight to their families this person won't and maybe never will,what's an hours inconvenience in the grand scheme of things?

That's the root of the problem

The sympathy!!

Seth Brundle · 11-11-2015 10:19am

delahuntv wrote: »

Lookign at the photos, the car seems to have come on at the ramp at Lucan and gone onto the motorway crossing over the "ghost island" lined area and into the path of a truck.

The incident occurred just before 6am so traffic would have been moving well on the motorway.

Where the pics in the indo have it, it looks like she came down the N4E slip road in the right hand land and merged. (Bear in mind that the first slip merges under the flyover whilst the left hand lane merges with the N4W slip road before merging with the motorway.

The vehicles look to have stopped adjacent to the Cedar Drive housing estate on this map...
https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3537811,-6.3848564,254m/data=!3m1!1e3

Edit: for clarity, I'm not speculating on blame, just on the possibility that the driver of the car may not have crossed the chevrons as was suggested.

First Up · 11-11-2015 10:21am

That is clearly something more than your typical fender bender caused by typical M50 sloppy driving.

Seth Brundle · 11-11-2015 10:26am

First Up wrote: »

That is clearly something more than your typical fender bender caused by typical M50 sloppy driving.

According to some media outlets, it was hit by two trucks.
That would have hurt!

First Up · 11-11-2015 10:30am

kbannon wrote: »

According to some media outlets, it was hit by two trucks.
That would have hurt!

I can believe it looking at the picture. We'll wait for the investigation results before passing judgement. Looks like the car was rear ended but don't know if that was the first or second impact.

Pinch Flat · 11-11-2015 10:31am

Saw the news and the photo - horrific crash and hope she's ok. Amongst all this internet rage, someone's mother, sister, wife is in hospital fighting for her life.

If people find this a bit irksome, there's a radio station called lyric fm. Tune in, give the boss a quick call (if it's safe to do so) and thank yourself it's not you or a loved one

andekwarhola · 11-11-2015 10:45am

Christ, looking at that picture, Imagine there were kids or other passengers in the back.

I'm as eager as anybody to have bad driving wiped out and deterrents enforced but some of the comments here are pretty poor form.

L1011 · 11-11-2015 10:45am

delahuntv wrote: »

One solution is the installation of average speed camera zones (SPECS) - works exceptionally well in Northern Ireland and is now the favoured option in the UK. Accdents on the A1 dropped by over 70% since 2006 and thus a massive saving for society on time delays and cost of injuries.

The sole SPECS zone on the NI A1 suffered terrible driving due to a terrible, short dual section, and was bypassed in 2010 or so. That, and junction works to grade separate caused the reduction in collisions - not the long defunct SPECS

duffman3833 · 11-11-2015 10:46am

i wonder how many people posted on boards this morning with their phones stuck on m50??????

VisibleGorilla · 11-11-2015 11:03am

Anyone who has a crash on the M50 should be banned from driving for one year, simple.

If you have a crash on a straight road motorway you are a danger to yourself and others.

It's caused by driving too slow, breaking, phone use, incorrect lane use, slow to merge, timid driving - If you cannot drive correctly on the road then don't use it.

JustTheOne · 11-11-2015 11:07am

VisibleGorilla wrote: »

Anyone who has a crash on the M50 should be banned from driving for one year, simple.

If you have a crash on a straight road motorway you are a danger to yourself and others.

It's caused by driving too slow, breaking, phone use, incorrect lane use, slow to merge, timid driving - If you cannot drive correctly on the road then don't use it.

Yep always amazed you get penalty points for using a bus lane but you cause a crash and you get nothing.

ThisRegard · 11-11-2015 11:12am

Gone Drinking wrote: »

Spare a minute to think of someone who was seriously injured, their family and what they might be going through this morning..

I was driving for an hour and a half this morning, over an hour late for work but at the end of the day, things could be a lot worse.

I lost a family member to a traffic accident and it was posted on breakingnews.ie before I knew about it. People were leaving not so nice comments and speculating to as whos fault it was. It isn't nice when you're on that side of the comments.

And you have idiots who are in the public eye tweeting the minister of transport about it, clueless as to what's involved.

https://twitter.com/davidhall75/status/664377057992904704

GreatDefector · 11-11-2015 11:12am

duffman3833 wrote: »

i wonder how many people posted on boards this morning with their phones stuck on m50??????

Sure they're putting the investigators out of a job here. They can reopen the road now. The team here have solved this one :rolleyes:

magicbastarder · 11-11-2015 11:13am

JustTheOne wrote: »

Yep always amazed you get penalty points for using a bus lane but you cause a crash and you get nothing.

using a bus lane is an FPN. just because it's not an FPN for causing a crash does not mean there's no penalty.

ThisRegard · 11-11-2015 11:13am

thierry14 wrote: »

If they crash on the M50 they only have themselves to blame.

Family or not

You don't now much about how crashes can happen do you ?

markpb · 11-11-2015 11:13am

JustTheOne wrote: »

Yep always amazed you get penalty points for using a bus lane but you cause a crash and you get nothing.

If you're in a bus lane and not driving a PSV, you've broken the law - it's very clear cut. It's a lot harder to prove to the level required for a criminal conviction that someone caused a crash. There will be a big investigation into this one because of the outcome but for the average fender bender, you may never be able to figure out conclusively what happened and who was to blame.

VisibleGorilla · 11-11-2015 11:14am

ThisRegard wrote: »

You don't now much about how crashes can happen do you ?

The vast majority would be down to driver error.

mickoneill31 · 11-11-2015 11:16am

ThisRegard wrote: »

You don't now much about how crashes can happen do you ?

I don't. Can you explain how crashes happen?

ThisRegard · 11-11-2015 11:17am

VisibleGorilla wrote: »

The vast majority would be down to driver error.

Not everyone who crashes is down to their own error.

mickoneill31 wrote: »

I don't. Can you explain how crashes happen?

At this stage of your life, if the concept has already escaped you, there's no point wasting my time or yours.

VisibleGorilla · 11-11-2015 11:19am

ThisRegard wrote: »

Not everyone who crashes is down to their own error.

I know, I never said that.

Whoever is at a fault should face the penalties.

If I'm driving along normally and you crash into me, on a straight road such as the M50 you should be banned for a period of time as you cannot drive safely and are a danger to yourself and others.

So in this case, either the truck driver or the driver of the smaller car is at fault here, one of them should be punished for their clear dangerous driving.

ThisRegard · 11-11-2015 11:22am

VisibleGorilla wrote: »

I know, I never said that.

Whoever is at a fault should face the penalties.

I know, it was aimed at those generalising about people who crash. I've been witness to a number of accidents over the years on it, one pretty serious which involved the partial shut down of the M50. The driver of car that was destroyed and left sitting as a wreck in the middle of the motorway was not at fault.

beauf · 11-11-2015 11:23am

You might hit oil, ice, or simply aquaplane. No control what so ever. Or something could fail on the car, like a front puncture at speed.

Accidents happen. The M50 and surrounding transport network can't cope.

beauf · 11-11-2015 11:25am

kbannon wrote: »

The tailgaiting offenders are not being caught using the fixed cameras.
Anyhow, there are many other instances of bad driving on the M50 e.g. late lane changes when exiting, using a phone or doing make up whilst driving which the cameras won't catch.

If your eyes can see, it can be recorded by camera. It won't be definitive on a lot of stuff no. But will catch a lot of stuff.

it could be trialled in a small section and the results analysed.

RustyNut · 11-11-2015 11:28am

VisibleGorilla wrote: »

I know, I never said that.

Whoever is at a fault should face the penalties.

If I'm driving along normally and you crash into me, on a straight road such as the M50 you should be banned for a period of time as you cannot drive safely and are a danger to yourself and others.

So in this case, either the truck driver or the driver of the smaller car is at fault here, one of them should be punished for their clear dangerous driving.

Its possible that neither were at fault.

Irish Steve · 11-11-2015 11:28am

VisibleGorilla wrote: »

Anyone who has a crash on the M50 should be banned from driving for one year, simple.

If you have a crash on a straight road motorway you are a danger to yourself and others.

It's caused by driving too slow, breaking, phone use, incorrect lane use, slow to merge, timid driving - If you cannot drive correctly on the road then don't use it.

Doesn't go far enough. Break the rules, and it's a ban of at least 12 months, and a loss of licence until the person concerned passes a new driving test, not the original basic driving test that is the starting point, but a test supervised by one of the advanced motoring organisations, and a much more in depth test of driving skills, which would also involve theory classes, as well as practical ability checks.

Sounds harsh, but the brutal reality is that there are way too many "drivers" that don't have a clue how to use multi lane roads and the like, and the present system does nothing to prepare future drivers on how to use them. It's another of these areas where people think they're "entitled" to drive, when the truth is that they have a significant responsibility to drive in an acceptable manner, and too many don't. The only answer is to make it harder to get the licence in the first place, and a lot easier to lose it, especially for ignorance.

If the money and time required to get the licence was more significant, and the loss of that privilege was a bigger possibility, just maybe people would drive with a better attitude.

I hate the M50 [Warning post #222]

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