This is fracking unbelievable, restart the gravy train, Leitrim to the rescue

Eric Cartman · 01-02-2012 07:53PM

pcworldisajoke wrote: »

during the interview on primetime, he proceeded to laugh on camera, while the biased rte host was talking to Leah doherty. So basically he was laughing with someone in his office (more than a few times),while a serious and earnest discussion was taking place, that he was a part of, via video link....and dismissing every single question that was put to him with arrogance and scientific lies.

He also ruined countless communities across the USA as head of his previous company,( southwest, i think they are called). Those communtiies are involved in litigation with his previous company still.

Back to the first point, this is a huge issue for us as a nation, and he knew this was our main current affairs program. Yet he managed to completely laugh everything off, and treat things as if it were one big joke, and he didnt give a sh*t what anyone thought, and didnt care that there were SERIOUS concerns in this country, as there are SERIOUS concerns all over the USA where he has been.

SO yeah, nothing to do with anyone telling me he's scum. I can make up my own mind- Moorman is Scum, of the lowest, corrupt, disgusting kind.

which specific scientific lies ?

could I get a link for information on a PREVIOUS company

Benny_Cake · 01-02-2012 07:53PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

yes, normally de-salinated sea water is used

Isn't de-salanisation very energy intensive? We might end up burning a good deal of this gas just doing that.

Run_to_da_hills · 01-02-2012 07:54PM

Benny_Cake wrote: »

I'm not very well read up on the whole fracking debate, but leaving the use of chemicals aside, it sounds as if vast quantities of water would be required, correct?

And Diesel.

Its also quite ironic that Governments are concerned about dissident diesel launderers polluting the land around border counties and at the same time would condone this type of activity in the same areas.

Eric Cartman · 01-02-2012 07:55PM

Benny_Cake wrote: »

Isn't de-salanisation very energy intensive? We might end up burning a good deal of this gas just doing that.

I suppose we would, still, something is better than nothing. Extracting fossil fuels is always going to be energy intensive, but I know what your trying to get at - and NO , no company would ever consider using the majority/ all of a natural fresh water supply for letrim to bore a well

pcworldisajoke · 01-02-2012 07:56PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

and how safe fracking is, explained

http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2011/05/03/hydraulic-fracturing-is-it-safe/

Here's a small snippet of all people need to know about the 'institute fo energy research'. Its backed by some of the worst polluters on the planet, kock brothers etc..

That American think tank is the Institute for Energy Research, which has received $307,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998 and unknown additional sums from other oil and coal industry sources. The Guardian reported last year that the Institute for Energy Research has received recent funding from KBR and trusts set up by Koch Industries, which has multiple ties to IER and its sister organization American Energy Alliance.

IER’s President Thomas J. Pyle previously worked as a lobbyist for Koch Industries, while IER’s CEO Robert L. Bradley was formerly Director of Public Relations Policy at Enron, where he served as speechwriter for Enron CEO Kenneth Lay.

Cartman, youre either a WUM, a representative of Tamboran and Moorman, or an absolute idiot. To be using them as a trusted source is like Bush citing Cheney. Youre delusional.

One of many full articles here;

http://www.desmogblog.com/institute-energy-research-admits-it-was-behind-anti-wind-study

lividduck · 01-02-2012 07:58PM

Rabidlamb wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2012/0201/1224311046794.html?via=mr

The good.

The seemingly good but on second read, not so much.

Summary:
Private firm find €55 billion woth of gas in Leitrim.
Irish government only gets 10%, if we're lucky.

Summary:
private firm risks €7 billion in hope of extracting gas.
irish Government does fcuk all and get about €5 .5 billion
Badly needed jobs and investment goes west...everyones a winner

pcworldisajoke · 01-02-2012 08:06PM

Eric Cartman, i honestly believe youre part of the Tamboran machine to be honest, as all you seem to be doing is trying to muddy the waters... so google southwest energy, litigation, pollution and moormanm and see what you get.

Bababa · 01-02-2012 08:07PM

The money the government get will all go to the EU(Germany) anyway, while the people of Leitrim etc. get poisoned...seems like the Germans are going back to their old habit of poisoning people!!!!!
Modern day gas chambers

Happyman42 · 01-02-2012 08:07PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

and how safe fracking is, explained

http://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/2011/05/03/hydraulic-fracturing-is-it-safe/

Would you not be worried about who is backing that oh so independent sounding organisation?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_for_Energy_Research

http://www.desmogblog.com/institute-energy-research-admits-it-was-behind-anti-wind-study

edit: oops hadn't seen pcworldisajoke's post. No harm re-posting anyway, to underline what a bunch of chancers these guys are.

pcworldisajoke · 01-02-2012 08:08PM

lividduck wrote: »

Summary:
private firm risks €7 billion in hope of extracting gas.
irish Government does fcuk all and get about €5 .5 billion
Badly needed jobs and investment goes west...everyones a winner

what about the jobs that are lost through tourism,and likely agricultural pollution (its happened EVERYWHERE else that theyve fracked,and noone has done it without water, and even with water, chemicals still come out of the ground) and our international image of a clean green country to international tourists- it's a small country, and they dont care/know it's just leitrim

Oh, and dont forget the environmental damage to animal habitats, forests, fisheries increased burden on thw state to provide new drinking water sources.

(and dont forget, even if by some miracle the fracking doesnt cause pollution, there'll still be tourism ruined from hideous gas wells as far as the eye can see in some places, increased fossil fuel usage (trucks etc)..local tourist towns ruined...and dont forget that even if they can do this without chemicals-which they cant- that alot of chemical are released from the ground that DO pollute water tables)

Are all of them folks a winner? Yeah? Give them a call then, becuas they might disagree with you. But do be prepared for them to tell you to go and f**k of.

Eric Cartman · 01-02-2012 08:08PM

pcworldisajoke wrote: »

Cartman, youre either a WUM, a representative of Tamboran and Moorman, or an absolute idiot. To be using them as a trusted source is like Bush citing Cheney. Youre delusional.

If you could post without insulting me id be fine.

The fact of it is, for whatever reason, you have decided to ignore the facts and in a style similar to the daily mail, blow up isolated incidents and used 'facts' sourced from eco-biased sources (including the film gasland) and decided that if you shout loud enough about how every corporation is 'evil' that maybe this will go away.

What do you stand to gain or lose from this project going ahead ? , the Irish tax payer only stands to gain, with billions of euro , jobs, an economic boost and an entry to the energy market on a grand scale. These results are 100% there , should the gas be in the ground

whereas your negative concerns about isolated incidents of hydraulic fracturing malfunction in small patches over the vastly energy dense US, in a different soil composition , using different fluids, done by different companies, are a far far off worst case scenario that has a fraction of a fraction of a percent chance of happening.

If you work, and pay tax , you stand to gain from this. If you sit around on the dole, you stand to gain from this if you actually want a job. If your from the area or own property there , you stand to gain from this. If you just like seeing companies upset and everyone miserable then you stand to lose - because it will happen.

Sky King · 01-02-2012 08:10PM

Kick start a train? Where's Mary Harney when you need her?

pcworldisajoke · 01-02-2012 08:16PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

If you could post without insulting me id be fine.

.

tell you what, dont insult us ( and yourself) by quoting the Energy institute of reearch, and i wont call you delusional. Deal? GOod man.

(ps- ill still THINK youre delusional, i just wont say it anymore)

saywhatyousee · 01-02-2012 08:16PM

I have been reading up about this fracking lately seem's awful risky for the sake of 5.5 billion(enough money to run the country for 6 weeks not as much as it sounds)Is it really worth the potential risk poisoning half the country for it?Jobs for local's would also be minimal they will be flying in experts from the U.S.A and Australia and other places not many Irish people have mining experience.

pcworldisajoke · 01-02-2012 08:19PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

If you could post without insulting me id be fine.

The fact of it is, for whatever reason, you have decided to ignore the facts and in a style similar to the daily mail, blow up isolated incidents and used 'facts' sourced from eco-biased sources (including the film gasland) and decided that if you shout loud enough about how every corporation is 'evil' that maybe this will go away.

What do you stand to gain or lose from this project going ahead ? , the Irish tax payer only stands to gain, with billions of euro , jobs, an economic boost and an entry to the energy market on a grand scale. These results are 100% there , should the gas be in the ground

whereas your negative concerns about isolated incidents of hydraulic fracturing malfunction in small patches over the vastly energy dense US, in a different soil composition , using different fluids, done by different companies, are a far far off worst case scenario that has a fraction of a fraction of a percent chance of happening.

If you work, and pay tax , you stand to gain from this. If you sit around on the dole, you stand to gain from this if you actually want a job. If your from the area or own property there , you stand to gain from this. If you just like seeing companies upset and everyone miserable then you stand to lose - because it will happen.

You live in a fantasy world. And you're likely being paid by Moorman and his ilk to live there. Have a nice evening

lividduck · 01-02-2012 08:24PM

pcworldisajoke wrote: »

what about the jobs that are lost through tourism,and likely agricultural pollution (its happened EVERYWHERE else that theyve fracked,and noone has done it without water, and even with water, chemicals still come out of the ground) and our international image of a clean green country to international tourists- it's a small country, and they dont care/know it's just leitrim

Oh, and dont forget the environmental damage to animal habitats, forests, fisheries increased burden on thw state to provide new drinking water sources.

(and dont forget, even if by some miracle the fracking doesnt cause pollution, there'll still be tourism ruined from hideous gas wells as far as the eye can see in some places, increased fossil fuel usage (trucks etc)..local tourist towns ruined...and dont forget that even if they can do this without chemicals-which they cant- that alot of chemical are released from the ground that DO pollute water tables)

Are all of them folks a winner? Yeah? Give them a call then, becuas they might disagree with you. But do be prepared for them to tell you to go and f**k of.

Wow, and dont forget that, that, everytime someone agrees with getting at the gas you will make some really crazy statement starting with ..and dont forget.
Anyway, can anybody tell me , what is the point of leitrim?:D:D:):D

Run_to_da_hills · 01-02-2012 08:25PM

Two Facebook campaigns have already been set up.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ban-fracking-in-Leitrim/297775276914509

http://www.facebook.com/pages/No-Fracking-Ireland/217392378284498

Bababa · 01-02-2012 08:33PM

pcworldisajoke wrote: »

Eric Cartman wrote: »

If you could post without insulting me id be fine.

The fact of it is, for whatever reason, you have decided to ignore the facts and in a style similar to the daily mail, blow up isolated incidents and used 'facts' sourced from eco-biased sources (including the film gasland) and decided that if you shout loud enough about how every corporation is 'evil' that maybe this will go away.

What do you stand to gain or lose from this project going ahead ? , the Irish tax payer only stands to gain, with billions of euro , jobs, an economic boost and an entry to the energy market on a grand scale. These results are 100% there , should the gas be in the ground

whereas your negative concerns about isolated incidents of hydraulic fracturing malfunction in small patches over the vastly energy dense US, in a different soil composition , using different fluids, done by different companies, are a far far off worst case scenario that has a fraction of a fraction of a percent chance of happening.

If you work, and pay tax , you stand to gain from this. If you sit around on the dole, you stand to gain from this if you actually want a job. If your from the area or own property there , you stand to gain from this. If you just like seeing companies upset and everyone miserable then you stand to lose - because it will happen.

You live in a fantasy world. And you're likely being paid by Moorman and his ilk to live there. Have a nice evening

From southpark or at least he thinks he is. Dropped on the oul head as a baby!!
Problem is so were most of the politicians in this skip. The government will jump into this like kids in a sweetshop without even trying to engage the little bit of their VCJD rotted brains that's left. No hope of them looking at the bigger picture as they don't realise there is one.

pcworldisajoke · 01-02-2012 08:35PM

and dont forget, even blind people like you can be funny liveduck

found this petition giving a bit of background on the the origins of fracking. The petiion is closed for some reason, but the info is very interesting.

http://www.change.org/petitions/ban-destructive-gas-fracking-in-ireland

CptSternn · 01-02-2012 08:39PM

Eric Cartman · 01-02-2012 08:54PM

pcworldisajoke wrote: »

You live in a fantasy world. And you're likely being paid by Moorman and his ilk to live there. Have a nice evening

Im living in the reality of the situation at hand that, if harnessed , could get Ireland back on track.

regardless of whos paying me what, it still doesnt change the fact that Im right

Run_to_da_hills · 01-02-2012 08:56PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Im living in the reality of the situation at hand that, if harnessed , could get Ireland back on track.

regardless of whos paying me what, it still doesnt change the fact that Im right

So could a lot of other things like legalising the weed and setting up licensed cannabis farms.

k.p.h · 01-02-2012 08:57PM

End Of Thread

Unless people want to discuss ways to ensure no fracking ever happens in Ireland.

Opposing fracking is not any form of crusty/hippie/whatever speculation, it's just common sense and intelligent thinking.

Eric Cartman · 01-02-2012 08:59PM

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

So could a lot of things like legalising the weed and setting up licensed cannabis farms.

your well aware that I also advocate that solution. But thats a situation with a lot more ignorant people shouting it down and a hard lobby against its legalisation by pharmaceutical and other interests.

Luckily with Hydraulic fracturing theres only a small lobby of the 'green' concern and some eco enthusiasts, its a lot easy to silence them and allow progress rather than the massive uphill struggle to legalise cannabis.

Eric Cartman · 01-02-2012 09:01PM

k.p.h wrote: »

End Of Thread

Opposing fracking is not any form of crusty/hippie/whatever speculation, it's just common sense and intelligent thinking.

Its been a technique used since 1947 and I would love you to show me any proven (not some eco nuts website) evidence that suggests even 5% of frack sites cause water table damage

01-02-2012 09:01PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Im living in the reality of the situation at hand that, if harnessed , could get Ireland back on track.

regardless of whos paying me what, it still doesnt change the fact that Im right

Don't know about getting Ireland back on track, but in 20 years or so it may be the difference between freezing to death or having fuel for the fire!

I'm not a fan of fracking, but in the near future the choice will be that stark!

k.p.h · 01-02-2012 09:04PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

your well aware that I also advocate that solution. But thats a situation with a lot more ignorant people shouting it down and a hard lobby against its legalisation by pharmaceutical and other interests.

Luckily with Hydraulic fracturing theres only a small lobby of the 'green' concern and some eco enthusiasts, its a lot easy to silence them and allow progress rather than the massive uphill struggle to legalise cannabis.

Jesus Christ, The adverse effects of both things mentioned above are extremely well documented and nobody with an inkling of analytically thinking would allow either.

You can't go around doing DUMB sh|t just because it suits you. And calling it "progress" dose not stop it being DUMB.

GetWithIt · 01-02-2012 09:08PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Its been a technique used since 1947 and I would love you to show me any proven (not some eco nuts website) evidence that suggests even 5% of frack sites cause water table damage

Have Tamboran being fracking since 1947?

The answer is, obviously, no.

They have zero experience in actual extraction.

As I outlined previously in the thread, I could dig a hole in my back garden, and through various means, produce figures which indicate a massive gas potential.

I'm not necessarily saying Tamboran have gamed their results, just that it is easy to do.

Eric Cartman · 01-02-2012 09:09PM

k.p.h wrote: »

Jesus Christ, The adverse effects of both things mentioned above are extremely well documented and nobody with an inkling of analytically thinking would allow either.

You can't go around doing DUMB sh|t just because it suits you. And calling it "progress" dose not stop it being DUMB.

well I think even RTDH can agree with me in saying that if you think cannabis is dangerous that your opinion on fracking doesnt really count anymore

Eric Cartman · 01-02-2012 09:11PM

GetWithIt wrote: »

Have Tamboran being fracking since 1947?

The answer is, obviously, no.

They have zero experience in actual extraction.

As I outlined previously in the thread, I could dig a hole in my back garden, and through various means, produce figures which indicate a massive gas potential.

I'm not necessarily saying Tamboran have gamed their results, just that it is easy to do.

they didnt just invent a machine that pumps water and call it fracking, the company may not have the experience, but the process is mature and has been tweaked for over 50 years to establish the refined , scientifically precise method of extracting gas

This is fracking unbelievable, restart the gravy train, Leitrim to the rescue

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