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Shannon Airport Closed?

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    #32
    Sterling Archer
    Registered Users Posts: 2,252 ✭✭✭Sterling Archer


    Blue Punto wrote: »
    Shane_ef wrote: »
    Can a mod maybe merge the two thrends, keep things tidy.. Glad to hear all are ok... Now since this is on the active is it considered a crash landing or taxiing incident


    Since the aircraft had landed and the incident occured on the taxiway I cant see why it would be called a crash landing ,So taxing incident

    Cheers I'vebeen telling everyone at work it wasn't a crash landing....


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    #33
    North Face
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27 ✭North Face


    Possibly a AAIU requirement till investigation etc.. is conducted.


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    #34
    Welshman666
    Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭Welshman666


    no wonder my flight is delayed. I'm sitting here in Gatwick Airport at the moment waiting for Ryanair flight. Was supposed to depart at 15:50. Delayed until 17:30


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    #35
    iceax
    Registered Users Posts: 114 ✭✭iceax


    Aer Lingus Regional (Aer Arann) ATR 72-212 EI-SLM AT SHANNON AIRPORT TODAY

    http://pix.ie/iceaxe/album/415899


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    #36
    Storm 10
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    If the aircraft had the nose gear failure on a taxiway why is the Airport closed, aircraft can access the runway from any end so just wondering why its closed when the plane is not on the runway


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    #37
    kona
    Registered Users Posts: 7,525 ✭✭✭kona


    Storm 10 wrote: »
    If the aircraft had the nose gear failure on a taxiway why is the Airport closed, aircraft can access the runway from any end so just wondering why its closed when the plane is not on the runway

    Maybe there could be an issue with the runway that cause the nose gear to fail?

    Procedures are there to be followed in cases like this. A good reason for them too.


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    #38
    phonypony
    Registered Users Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭phonypony


    Storm 10 wrote: »
    If the aircraft had the nose gear failure on a taxiway why is the Airport closed, aircraft can access the runway from any end so just wondering why its closed when the plane is not on the runway

    It appears to be right on a turnoff from the runway, on the runway side of the holding point


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    #39
    Delta Kilo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,212 ✭✭✭Delta Kilo


    Sorry about the new thread, didnt see this one in my excitement.

    Heard from my friend there again, flight dispatcher in Shannon;
    " It collapsed on touchdown, dragged half way down the runway, turned to Alpha apparently using a brake and ended up on the grass"


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    #40
    highlydebased
    Registered Users Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭highlydebased


    Airport reopened.

    Via twitter... Aer-Lingus-gets-towed-310x415.jpg


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    #41
    highlydebased
    Registered Users Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭highlydebased


    airliners.net frontpage...

    1953024.jpg

    http://www.airliners.net/photo/Aer-Lingus-Regional/ATR-ATR-72-212/1953024/M/


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    #42
    loldog
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    They will have had to walk the runway checking for debris I suppose.

    .


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    #43
    donvito99
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    Now that there have been no confirmed injuries (thankfully), how long should EI-SLM be out of service for?


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    #44
    CaptainSkidmark
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    I guess any landing you can walk away from is a good one lol.

    Well done to the pilot though, all that training paid off.


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    #45
    Maxed-irl
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    SLM is pretty badly damaged and will need alot of work to return to service if ATR do not declare the A/C BER.


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    #46
    Su Campu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭Su Campu


    Acknowleding that anything at this stage is mostly speculation, is there anything yet to indicate how the nosewheel collapsed? The most likely cause of course is a nosewheel landing or porpoise, especially with the windshear reported. Otherwise conditions weren't THAT bad - 23 kts crosswind component, as per the METAR issued 8 minutes after. What is the max x-wind allowable for that aircraft?


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    #47
    phonypony
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    Su Campu wrote: »
    Acknowleding that anything at this stage is mostly speculation, is there anything yet to indicate how the nosewheel collapsed? The most likely cause of course is a nosewheel landing or porpoise, especially with the windshear reported. Otherwise conditions weren't THAT bad - 23 kts crosswind component, as per the METAR issued 8 minutes after. What is the max x-wind allowable for that aircraft?

    The ATR has a pretty pronounced nose-down attitude on landing compared to other aircraft, I'd imagine being a little fast on the approach, floating in the conditions and a mis-judged flare COULD do it. Here's one in a similar crosswind a few months ago, 24028G41KT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81psDt8HHtY


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    #48
    Maxed-irl
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    max rating is 35 kts as far as i know


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    #49
    Storm 10
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    Heres one landing in Cardiff really gives the nose wheel a big hit

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2Hm4rMWrtM


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    #50
    Sterling Archer
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    Lads can anyone confirm when the nose gear collapsed , was it at the point of landing or during deceleration or while taxiing


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    #51
    Aerohead
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    Well looking at that video storm10 posted and hearing that two attempts were made to land I would guess that it failed shortly after landing, cant blame anyone for a hard landing in bad conditions, looking at the videos those ATR look like they touch down on the nose almost before the main gear touches.


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    #52
    ryanstella
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    Shane_ef wrote: »
    Cheers I'vebeen telling everyone at work it wasn't a crash landing....

    I was on that flight with my husband and two young children, the plane was coming down so fast it felt like it was falling out of the sky and when we hit the ground the plane bounced back up into the air and then tried again to land even though my kids had gone pail and my son started to throw up. I was so scared and all the passengers prepared for a crash.. my husband and I held hands and put our other arms over the kids to brace them. when hitting the ground we bounced all over and off the ground and on the ground then crashed into the side of the runway with the nose of the plane skidding across the ground till we hit grass. A crash does not have to hit another plane.. the plane crashed into the ground ... It was a crash and if you were on that plane you would have felt the shocked of it! My kids were terrified and did not want to the plane back home to England. We are happy to be alive and had sometime on that plane where we didn't know what was gonna happen next. When we crashed into the grass we were rushed off the plane and had to walk down a broken stair case and were told to stand away from the plane in case it blows into flames... that is a crash to me


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    #53
    ryanstella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2 ✭ryanstella


    highlydebased wrote: »
    LOL

    ATR72 carries 68-74 AFAIK.

    It carries at least 60 passengers. I was on that plane crash... it was much bigger then a 25 seater and we were in seats 56-60. And yes there was only 21 passengers and it seemed empty with all the available seats


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    #54
    Sterling Archer
    Registered Users Posts: 2,252 ✭✭✭Sterling Archer


    Ok firstly that is the first first-hand account I have come across and it sounds terrifying for your kids, no person should have to experience something like that, I hope this doesnt have adverse affects on you or your childrens faith in aviation, and I send my regards,

    Now my statement was made given the information to hand at the timr, see the post at similar times, I asked a question and was given an answer, I formed that opinion because I dont believe in a lot of what media say, given that its over dramatic, even tho in this case it wasn't, also I know what a crash is..
    I sense some anger in your post, but frankly it shouldn't be directed at me, my post and statements were made with the info at the time, they were wrong but not stupid or disrespectful ,

    Regards shane

    Edit- the information at the time was that the aircraft nose gear had collapsed while taxiing at the beginning of alpha hence my statements


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    #55
    AlekSmart
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    Ryanstella's graphic account of this incident will give a very clear focus to whatever report is issued by the AAIB.....Thank God everybody walked away from this one !


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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    #56
    A320
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    The tabloids will love that

    http://www.people.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/2011/07/24/our-terror-by-jet-blaze-passengers-102039-23292085/


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    #57
    L1011
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    AAIU Prelim out on this:

    http://www.aaiu.ie/AAIUviewitem.asp?id=13326&lang=ENG&loc=1652

    Summary: Nose down and contact made on first attempt, nose down on second (although possibly not at first contact), hydraulics failed, hence what happened


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    #58
    stevielenihan
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    MYOB wrote: »
    AAIU Prelim out on this:

    http://www.aaiu.ie/AAIUviewitem.asp?id=13326&lang=ENG&loc=1652

    Summary: Nose down and contact made on first attempt, nose down on second (although possibly not at first contact), hydraulics failed, hence what happened

    Has shannon aiport flight traffic increased any bit and will it decrease again this winter?


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    #59
    highlydebased
    Registered Users Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭highlydebased


    stevielenihan wrote: »
    Has shannon aiport flight traffic increased any bit and will it decrease again this winter?

    Entirely unrelated to this thread.


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    #60
    Kumsheen
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    Any update on the aircraft? Is it still in Shannon?

    Was it repaired and returned to service or was it a write off?


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    #61
    dercu
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    Heard a few weeks ago it's still in hangar. Insurance issues.


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