Clamped by management company!

Maudi · 28-08-2015 10:09am #1

Thanks charlesland wood management company ..i come out early this morning to find my car clamped..thanks a bunch..I HAVE A PERMIT..but i had by mistake put my tax disk over it..has your night time employee no way of checking by using my reg? Before clamping ..would this be to much to ask? Perhaps its too dark at 4am ..anyway theres going to be a serious episode where somebody with and injured child or perhaps having a heart attack or going into labour will make for their car to find it clamped ..thanks charlesland wood management company i would have been a supporter but thats me finished with you lot.

Johnny K · 28-08-2015 10:36am

I think the title of the thread is a little misleading. You were clamped for non display of a parking permit, which as you say was your mistake I can't see how this is corrupt. I understand it is terrible to come out and find your car clamped but it all happened in a system you knew about. BTW I have nothing to do with Charlesland wood.

Maudi · 28-08-2015 12:16pm

Johnny K wrote: »

I think the title of the thread is a little misleading. You were clamped for non display of a parking permit, which as you say was your mistake I can't see how this is corrupt. I understand it is terrible to come out and find your car clamped but it all happened in a system you knew about. BTW I have nothing to do with Charlesland wood.

Sorry jonny maybe you are right..id change it to extortion but dont seem to be able to edit it..maybe a mod could do it..thank for your imp put tho..also should have added the post was for wood residents and mng company

28-08-2015 1:01pm

Title changed.

gaz wac · 28-08-2015 1:07pm

Maudi wrote: »

Thanks charlesland wood management company ..i come out early this morning to find my car clamped..thanks a bunch..I HAVE A PERMIT..but i had by mistake put my tax disk over it..has your night time employee no way of checking by using my reg? Before clamping ..would this be to much to ask? Perhaps its too dark at 4am ..anyway theres going to be a serious episode where somebody with and injured child or perhaps having a heart attack or going into labour will make for their car to find it clamped ..thanks charlesland wood management company i would have been a supporter but thats me finished with you lot.

You should send this in a mail to Charlesland Wood Mang Company...maybe they will answer any questions you may have regarding the clamping?

Charlie-Bravo · 28-08-2015 3:44pm

Did you not pick the lock Maudi. Or use bolt cutters?

Maudi · 28-08-2015 4:17pm

Dont know about pucking it astro..would a big bolt cutters take the chain off?

loyatemu · 28-08-2015 4:59pm

Set the car on fire to destroy the clamp - that'll show 'em...

Maudi · 28-08-2015 5:13pm

Ha thanks loyatemu?

stanley1980 · 28-08-2015 7:49pm

I can understand your frustration and appreciate it was an easy mistake to make but I don't see how you can blame the management company/clampers for doing their job! From the clampers point of view they saw a car with no permit. It'd hardly be practical if they had to also check the reg of each car they came across it to decipher if it's registered or not!....that's what the sticker's for!

That said hopefully you won't be charged as you have a permit.

Maudi · 28-08-2015 8:39pm

Have to disagree..although i have permit and mistakeingly covered it up..a secondary check of simply running my reg through their system would have confirmed i had permit..as stupid as having clamping in a estate is a secondary system isisint asking too much..i would have been a fan of mng company and supported them but not anymore..

stanley1980 · 28-08-2015 8:56pm

Sorry I'm not totally sure I follow your last post. You're saying you now don't support the management company (presumably you did up till yesterday?) because they didn't take enough elaborate and possibly costly measures to anticipate and rectify a mistake you made? Sounds a little churlish to me.

I for one am a big fan of the parking permit scheme. I thought it was pretty clever & effective way of ensuring people pay their fees to make sure the area is kept as well as it is currently. As they said at the time, it was a desperate measure brought in to tackle people who simply wouldn't pay their share.

Maudi · 28-08-2015 9:07pm

You dont need to be sorry..your one the right track..you as a supporter wont ever see my point tho ..how would it be costly to run a reg number through a system just to check a number before you deprive someone of transport to work..deprive me of a days pay etc...1400 units in charles land x avg of 500e a year? Its an extortion x protection racket

stanley1980 · 28-08-2015 9:15pm

protection racket? ahem.... seems we'll just have to agree to disagree. Best of luck.

Maudi · 28-08-2015 9:36pm

Thanks.

Jimjay · 29-08-2015 12:06am

we have to pay for the permit and to register the cars registration number on the system why do they bother registering the number plate if they don't bother checking? i would imagine it would be very quick and easy to check the number plate.

If that was me i would have cut it off. why should you pay to have the clamp removed after proving you had a right to park there. there should be some flexibility, it would be simple to say oh yes you made a mistake there make sure you don't do it again, but i imagine the management company have no say over the clamping company they have employed. the reason clamping is in place to make sure owners pay their management fees - not to make money and penalise home owners for small mistakes.

for those of you who posted that the car should have been clamped - this is a private estate - the clampers are hired "by the residents" to make sure management fees are paid. if a resident who apparently employs the clampers in the first place makes a little mistake and then proves they have the right to park the the clamp should be removed with no fee. how can you disagree with this?

Maudi · 29-08-2015 12:54am

At last..a human being answer and not a reply like previous spa.mbots..

endacl · 29-08-2015 1:04am

I think you should cut the bastard off. Simply because it was put on by a private clamping company.

But hey. That's just my 2c. Take it or leave it!

HappyDaze007 · 29-08-2015 1:55am

Think they take photos of the clamp on your car so as if/when people remove them they can be charged damage for the clamp..
A cordless angle grinder are great for s job like this...

Cold War Kid · 29-08-2015 2:17am

That happened to me before - in a place I worked in: my permit was hidden by a parking disc I'd forgotten to remove. They had no way of seeing I had a permit. Appeal it by providing the information that you have a permit. That might be enough. If it was a requirement that you had to have the permit on display, it could be another story though. Fingers crossed for you. Hope they'll understand it was just a mistake.

stanley1980 · 29-08-2015 9:41am

@Maudi. did you have to pay to have for the clamp to be removed?

P.S. I'm a human being- not a 'spam-bot'. I take it anyone else who doesn't agree with you is also sub-human?

bido · 29-08-2015 12:11pm

<Mod snip: No illegal suggestions please>

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Don't Chute! · 31-08-2015 2:19pm

Maudi wrote: »

At last..a human being answer and not a reply like previous spa.mbots..

So all you were looking for was someone who just agrees with you?

Maudi · 31-08-2015 4:33pm

Dont be so bloody pedantic..im looking for some one to say yes it is a bit rich to clamp a car that is registered and can be confirmed to be registered with a quick check..the permit can be seen even though the tax cert is over it...cant see your reply bido maybe you could pm me..

LEIN · 31-08-2015 7:46pm

Jimjay wrote: »

we have to pay for the permit and to register the cars registration number on the system why do they bother registering the number plate if they don't bother checking? i would imagine it would be very quick and easy to check the number plate.

If that was me i would have cut it off. why should you pay to have the clamp removed after proving you had a right to park there. there should be some flexibility, it would be simple to say oh yes you made a mistake there make sure you don't do it again, but i imagine the management company have no say over the clamping company they have employed. the reason clamping is in place to make sure owners pay their management fees - not to make money and penalise home owners for small mistakes.

for those of you who posted that the car should have been clamped - this is a private estate - the clampers are hired "by the residents" to make sure management fees are paid. if a resident who apparently employs the clampers in the first place makes a little mistake and then proves they have the right to park the the clamp should be removed with no fee. how can you disagree with this?

Couldn't agree more.

No real need for the disks, just another money spinner and a way to catch people out like maudi.

Clamping in general is a complete scam.

stanley1980 · 31-08-2015 7:56pm

LEIN wrote: »

Couldn't agree more.

No real need for the disks, just another money spinner and a way to catch people out like maudi.

Clamping in general is a complete scam.

So what alternative suggestions do you have to ensure people pay their management fees?

LEIN · 31-08-2015 8:15pm

stanley1980 wrote: »

So what alternative suggestions do you have to ensure people pay their management fees?

Education in what it means not to pay fees would be a great start?

stanley1980 · 31-08-2015 8:18pm

LEIN wrote: »

Education in what it means not to pay fees would be a great start?

I don't follow you?

Cerco · 01-09-2015 6:28am

stanley1980 wrote: »

So what alternative suggestions do you have to ensure people pay their management fees?

How are they enforced for those who do not own cars?
Clamping is a draconian method of forcing compliance.

LEIN · 01-09-2015 7:04am

stanley1980 wrote: »

I don't follow you?

Education is very straightforward? What are you not following?
People believe if they ignore it, it will go away. A simple information leaflet to all owners explaining that the debt never goes away.
Maybe a breakdown of what the money is used for?
Very simple stuff that was probably not even thought of before pissing off the people who do pay.

cocker5 · 01-09-2015 8:45am

LEIN wrote: »

Education is very straightforward? What are you not following?
People believe if they ignore it, it will go away. A simple information leaflet to all owners explaining that the debt never goes away.
Maybe a breakdown of what the money is used for?
Very simple stuff that was probably not even thought of before pissing off the people who do pay.

In my experience people don't care about leaflets, they go in the bin.

For the best part you will only ever get people to react when they are hit in the wallet.

Also I would like to point out based on a location of Charelsland I would say 98% / 99% people own cars, so therefore clamping hits home with nearly all residents.

Don't Chute! · 01-09-2015 8:49am

As we have seen with the water charges some people in this country just don't want to pay for anything and no amount of education will change that. In Seabourne the management company has sent out information about the fees and explained where they go time and time again and people STILL won't pay.

artvandelay48 · 01-09-2015 9:01am

a) Newsflash: the country's fecked. If a state body like Irish water wasn't privatised, we'd have to pay more tax. We have a lot of debt to pay down, right or wrong. If you want to protest something, protest the usc (costs us thousands) rather than water charges (costs us hundreds).

b) How are management companies scam artists? Would you volunteer to cut the grass in the common areas?

ejabrod · 01-09-2015 9:13am

artvandelay48 wrote: »

a) Newsflash: the country's fecked. If a state body like Irish water wasn't privatised, we'd have to pay more tax. We have a lot of debt to pay down, right or wrong. If you want to protest something, protest the usc (costs us thousands) rather than water charges (costs us hundreds).

b) How are management companies scam artists? Would you volunteer to cut the grass in the common areas?

The country is fúcked due to, like I said, misappropriation and mismanagement. The debt we have to pay and will pay, for years to come is wrong, there is/was nothing 'right' about it. I have no idea how or why you believe that without IW being privatised we'd have to pay more tax, that's a load of shít. We'd have to pay more tax because of the apathetic Irish accepting the debt that is not ours and continuing to pay each time the gov't decide to introduce a new tax/charge/fee.

Water is costing hundreds now, but will continue to increase year on year.

The USC was supposed to be a temporary measure which is a cash cow for a gov't who have no ingenuity or new thought. Again, the Irish people continue to pay - as uaual.

My experience of management companies (over 20 years) mainly in apartments, is that they are scam artists - that's from my own personal experience. In the estate where I bought my house, the residents committee do a hell of a lot more for a €20 contribution twice a year than any management company I have encountered.

In response to the OP, cut the clamp off.

stanley1980 · 01-09-2015 9:15am

LEIN wrote: »

Education is very straightforward? What are you not following?
People believe if they ignore it, it will go away. A simple information leaflet to all owners explaining that the debt never goes away.
Maybe a breakdown of what the money is used for?
Very simple stuff that was probably not even thought of before pissing off the people who do pay.

Is this a serious suggestion? You're joking right?

stanley1980 · 01-09-2015 9:23am

ejabrod wrote: »

The country is fúcked due to, like I said, misappropriation and mismanagement. The debt we have to pay and will pay, for years to come is wrong, there is/was nothing 'right' about it. I have no idea how or why you believe that without IW being privatised we'd have to pay more tax, that's a load of shít. We'd have to pay more tax because of the apathetic Irish accepting the debt that is not ours and continuing to pay each time the gov't decide to introduce a new tax/charge/fee.

Water is costing hundreds now, but will continue to increase year on year.

The USC was supposed to be a temporary measure which is a cash cow for a gov't who have no ingenuity or new thought. Again, the Irish people continue to pay - as uaual.

My experience of management companies (over 20 years) mainly in apartments, is that they are scam artists - that's from my own personal experience. In the estate where I bought my house, the residents committee do a hell of a lot more for a €20 contribution twice a year than any management company I have encountered.

In response to the OP, cut the clamp off.[/quote

You haven't explained how management companies are 'scams' at all. I have lived in several estates over the years and I believe Charlesland wood is extremely well maintained. Visitors too often comment on it. I believe the management fees are value for money.

You and others don't like clamping-fair enough. Can you please offer some alternatives (serious ones!) for ensuring the estate is maintained to its current standard.

FirstIn · 01-09-2015 3:29pm

This is turning in to a debate on the pros and cons of clamping with regards to getting people to pay the mgmt fees. We had this debate before when it first came in.

For what it's worth I'm in favour of clamping simply because there is no workable/effective alternative. It's a pity it comes to this but it has (someone from the mgmt co. should be able to tell us how well it is working)

I don't believe that this debate was the purpose of the thread. The purpose to me was to ask could the clampers be more considerate and check the reg of cars they see not displaying discs before clamping.

It would be great if they could but then what would stop people that know this check will be done giving their discs out to others.

Feasog Dearg · 01-09-2015 4:34pm

ejabrod wrote: »

The country is fúcked due to, like I said, misappropriation and mismanagement. The debt we have to pay and will pay, for years to come is wrong, there is/was nothing 'right' about it. I have no idea how or why you believe that without IW being privatised we'd have to pay more tax, that's a load of shít. We'd have to pay more tax because of the apathetic Irish accepting the debt that is not ours and continuing to pay each time the gov't decide to introduce a new tax/charge/fee.

Water is costing hundreds now, but will continue to increase year on year.

The USC was supposed to be a temporary measure which is a cash cow for a gov't who have no ingenuity or new thought. Again, the Irish people continue to pay - as uaual.

My experience of management companies (over 20 years) mainly in apartments, is that they are scam artists - that's from my own personal experience. In the estate where I bought my house, the residents committee do a hell of a lot more for a €20 contribution twice a year than any management company I have encountered.

In response to the OP, cut the clamp off.

If you live in Charlesland Wood, you could always go to the next AGM and become a Director? At the AGMs I've been to, they've always been straightforward about their plans for the estate and are happy to have extra help!

Change from within, and all that.

01-09-2015 5:18pm

Mod warning: The clamping of cars has nothing to do with Irish Water or USC
Please stay on topic.
Off topic posts will be deleted.

Thank you.

Jimjay · 01-09-2015 7:10pm

FirstIn wrote: »

This is turning in to a debate on the pros and cons of clamping with regards to getting people to pay the mgmt fees. We had this debate before when it first came in.

For what it's worth I'm in favour of clamping simply because there is no workable/effective alternative. It's a pity it comes to this but it has (someone from the mgmt co. should be able to tell us how well it is working)

I don't believe that this debate was the purpose of the thread. The purpose to me was to ask could the clampers be more considerate and check the reg of cars they see not displaying discs before clamping.

It would be great if they could but then what would stop people that know this check will be done giving their discs out to others.

The clamping is a good idea. It probably works well in the most part however there are two major floors

1) it wont affect anyone who doesnt want to pay their fees and can park on their drive. Clampers cannot clamp a car on a private drive.

2) there is no flexibily and the clampers seem to answer to nobody. If a clamp goes on as far as they are concerned its not coming off until payment is made. The main problem here is that the reason clamping is in force is to get people to pay their fees (fair enough) but how is it fair that someone who has lived there 10 years, pays their fees when due every year, has a minor lapse of concentration and has to pay €80 plus to have the clamp removed? At the next meeting this needs sorting out, we need to make an arrangment with the clamping company that mistakes by up to date fee payers can be resolved without penalty at least once. (I bet the clamping company have no interest in doing this though)

LEIN · 01-09-2015 8:42pm

Jimjay wrote: »

The clamping is a good idea. It probably works well in the most part however there are two major floors

1) it wont affect anyone who doesnt want to pay their fees and can park on their drive. Clampers cannot clamp a car on a private drive.

2) there is no flexibily and the clampers seem to answer to nobody. If a clamp goes on as far as they are concerned its not coming off until payment is made. The main problem here is that the reason clamping is in force is to get people to pay their fees (fair enough) but how is it fair that someone who has lived there 10 years, pays their fees when due every year, has a minor lapse of concentration and has to pay €80 €120 plus to have the clamp removed? At the next meeting this needs sorting out, we need to make an arrangment with the clamping company that mistakes by up to date fee payers can be resolved without penalty at least once. (I bet the clamping company have no interest in doing this though)

FYP

Cold War Kid · 02-09-2015 1:43am

A detailed breakdown of what the management fee covers certainly doesn't encourage all where I live to pay their fees.

LorMal · 07-09-2015 8:34am

black and amber wrote: »

So all you were looking for was someone who just agrees with you?

The snarky 'holier than thou' tone here is unreal. The OP has a perfectly valid point - it is ridiculous to clamp a resident's car like that without first checking the reg.
If you want to be a passive victim of this bullying behavior, go right ahead. But don't be surprised if others wont.

Feasog Dearg · 07-09-2015 8:55am

Check the accounts guys. Since clamping was introduced, debt to the management company has dropped drastically.

The rule is simple, display the disc, don't get clamped. A disc holder was provided for this purpose. How much hand-holding to adults need nowadays?!

Jimjay · 07-09-2015 11:09am

FirstIn wrote: »

It would be great if they could but then what would stop people that know this check will be done giving their discs out to others.

The residents discs have the number plate printed on them so this would stop that happening. The visitors discs don't have a registration number on them and there is nothing stopping people giving them to others already. So nothing would change.

LorMal · 07-09-2015 2:33pm

Feasog Dearg wrote: »

Check the accounts guys. Since clamping was introduced, debt to the management company has dropped drastically.

The rule is simple, display the disc, don't get clamped. A disc holder was provided for this purpose. How much hand-holding to adults need nowadays?!

Depends on your attitude. You can be rigid, inflexible and dogmatic or you can show a bit of initiative and flexibility so as not to highly inconvenience your customer who has paid his fee and is only trying to get to work.

These systems work best when there is cooperation and good will on both sides.

Jimjay · 07-09-2015 6:12pm

LorMal wrote: »

Depends on your attitude. You can be rigid, inflexible and dogmatic or you can show a bit of initiative and flexibility so as not to highly inconvenience your customer who has paid his fee and is only trying to get to work.

These systems work best when there is cooperation and good will on both sides.

Exactly!

Feasog Dearg · 08-09-2015 8:05pm

LorMal wrote:

These systems work best when there is cooperation and good will on both sides.

LorMal wrote:

Depends on your attitude. You can be rigid, inflexible and dogmatic or you can show a bit of initiative and flexibility so as not to highly inconvenience your customer who has paid his fee and is only trying to get to work.

You're proposing a new system, with a disguised ad hominem attack thrown in for good measure.

The current system is simple. Display disc, don't get clamped. Adding a checking function for undisced cars is unnecessary and relies on communication between a remote vehicle and secure database. If this communication is interrupted, the system fails - meaning no cars could be clamped.

stanley1980 · 08-09-2015 9:26pm

..still waiting to hear an alternative suggestion from posters opposed to clamping to ensure management fees are collected...lots of giving out, lot's of 'it's a disgrace'.....but no alternatives (apart from post an information leaflet through everyone's door explaining why you should pay!).....so predictable.....yawn......

LorMal · 16-09-2015 4:43pm

stanley1980 wrote: »

..still waiting to hear an alternative suggestion from posters opposed to clamping to ensure management fees are collected...lots of giving out, lot's of 'it's a disgrace'.....but no alternatives (apart from post an information leaflet through everyone's door explaining why you should pay!).....so predictable.....yawn......

Grrrr...Alles in Ordnung...Grrr..Rules is Rules...Grrrr...Black is Black...Grrr White is White..Grrrr....

(Everything would be perfect if there were no people)...Grrr

Maudi · 16-09-2015 10:20pm

stanley1980 wrote: »

..still waiting to hear an alternative suggestion from posters opposed to clamping to ensure management fees are collected...lots of giving out, lot's of 'it's a disgrace'.....but no alternatives (apart from post an information leaflet through everyone's door explaining why you should pay!).....so predictable.....yawn......

You could always send heavys around and beat the **** out of the ones that dont pay the management fees..some other moron suggested cutting their power off or their water..

Clamped by management company!

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