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4 Ball handicap allowance

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  • 31-10-2010 10:50pm
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    shaycl
    Registered Users Posts: 29 ✭


    What is the opinion on the 3/4 handicap allowance given on 4 ball betterball competitions. A long handicapper ( 16 + ) is at a disadvantage as he/she loses 4 shots or more as opposed to single figure player. Better players can handle 1 to 2 shot reductions due to their ability whereas long handicappers struggle





























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    Woodgate
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    I think it's more a mental thing for higher handicappers, everyone loses 3/4 but obviously seems more if you have a high handicap. Say a guy off 20 who's used to having 2 shots on a hole suddenly loses that little cushion. However I think it's fair enough, I'm off 5 so go to 4, so lose 1 shot, but it's still the loss of 3/4.


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    Huntelaar
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    The fact that a high handicapper loses a couple of shots more is hardly a big deal considering all they have to do for a win on a hole is par it! Its a hell of a lot harder for a lower handicapper to birdie a hole than it is for a higher handicapper to par it! If anything they should be losing even more in my opinion. How often would you see 2 guys off 5 or less winning fourballs in your club?? Not very often would be my guess.


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    G1032
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    shaycl wrote: »
    What is the opinion on the 3/4 handicap allowance given on 4 ball betterball competitions. A long handicapper ( 16 + ) is at a disadvantage as he/she loses 4 shots or more as opposed to single figure player. Better players can handle 1 to 2 shot reductions due to their ability whereas long handicappers struggle

    I wouldn't agree with this at all. As has been pointed out on this forum during many a debate the higher handicapper has a high handicap due to his inconsistency. A 16 handicapper golfer is more than capable of going on a run of 5 or 6 pars which would be very difficult for a low handicapper to live with. Also the 16+ handicapper might have a couple of disastrous holes which would affect his stokeplay score but will only cost him one hole in matchplay.


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    BoardsMember
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    Huntelaar wrote: »
    Its a hell of a lot harder for a lower handicapper to birdie a hole than it is for a higher handicapper to par it!

    Talk us through that one. It makes no sense to me, surely that's completely at odds with the handicap/stableford system?


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    Huntelaar
    Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭Huntelaar


    BoardsMember wrote: »
    Talk us through that one. It makes no sense to me, surely that's completely at odds with the handicap/stableford system?

    Pretty sure most people would agree. Maybe I'm wrong.

    Do you honestly think that it's just as easy for a low handicapper to stick a shot in close and get the putt as it is for say a 15 handicapper to knob 2 shots onto a green and 2 putt?


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    Russman
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    I think the reduction is fair enough, based on the fact that handicaps are for a full round, ie 18 holes. It's fairly unusual for one person to do all the scoring in a 4 ball, generally your bad holes don't count. It would be these bad holes that give rise to the higher handicap in the first place so I don't think you should get the benefit of the extra shots when they will (broadly speaking) be used on a) holes you play well and b) less than a full round.
    I agree it's mostly a mental thing with high handicappers. In our place it seems they are often so annoyed about it before they go out they've no chance anyway. It's not unusual for, say, a 20 handicapper to win a singles with, say, at least 2 double bogeys on his card, but when the 4 or 5 shots come off at the start it's a different matter for some reason. These 2 or 3 double bogeys probably wouldn't count in a 4 ball anyway.


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    Tarbhdubh
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    Don't think its fair on an 80 year old playing off 28 losing 7 shots. As far as the concerns from the single handicapper that he would have to birdie 6 holes in a row to keep up wlth high handicapper who pars 6 in a row. Well the likely hood is that the high handicapper will have D/Bogey and scratches included not pars and bogeys. Just think there should be some age allowance. I'm not retired yet. 16 HC.


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    charlieIRL
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,190 Mod ✭✭✭✭charlieIRL


    4 year old thread!!


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