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How low can you go? €1100 1440p gaming rig.

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    #2
    NTMK
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    Remove the ssd if you really really need to €50
    Drop the dvd drive €12
    Drop the case down to a bitfenix merc €14
    cheaper ram €5
    cheaper cooler (cant remember the name of it but it was decent) €15
    total €96 before taking out windows

    €140 with windows out

    1164-140= €1024

    best i can do but i could probable sqeeze another 5 out of the case but i couldnt deal with working with a case below the merc


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    #3
    Recurve360
    Registered Users Posts: 423 ✭✭Recurve360


    BloodBath wrote: »

    You could get a small discount on the hwvs order as well to get the price down further.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056907965

    Hardwareversand have removed themselves off Geizhals altohether bloodbath, Only happened this morning. :(

    ideleo.de still works though


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    #4
    Gumbi
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    NTMK wrote: »
    Remove the ssd if you really really need to €50
    Drop the dvd drive €12
    Drop the case down to a bitfenix merc €14
    cheaper ram €5
    cheaper cooler (cant remember the name of it but it was decent) €15
    total €96 before taking out windows

    €140 with windows out

    1164-140= €1024

    best i can do but i could probable sqeeze another 5 out of the case but i couldnt deal with working with a case below the merc

    Agreed mosty. I wouldn't want to compromise on the SSD. And I wouldn't go for that cooler (Zalman or something?). We have already compromised on the CPU to sccompdate the dual 7870, and wouldn't want to lose out on the overclocking provided by the 212.


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    BloodBath
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    The problem with dropping the case to a merc alpha is that it only comes with only 1 case fan where as the zalman comes with 5. You're going to want that airflow for a dual gpu rig especially if you want to overclock everything which you should since the cpu and cards have a lot of headroom if you can keep them cool enough.

    You could drop the ssd and add one later though.

    The cooler is the zalman, Still a great cooler for the price that will get reasonable overclocks.


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    NTMK
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    Gumbi wrote: »
    Agreed mosty. I wouldn't want to compromise on the SSD. And I wouldn't go for that cooler (Zalman or something?). We have already compromised on the CPU to sccompdate the dual 7870, and wouldn't want to lose out on the overclocking provided by the 212.

    i wouldnt either but if we're pushing for a 1440p60 under a grand then imo the ssd is not essential

    its a coolermaster cooler and it did a great job at cooling an OC'd 6 core 1050T(i think it was a 1050T ill look later)

    a big oc wouldnt be essential, the gpus are


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    Geralt
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    Nicely laid out and on a budget. Although words 1440p gaming and on a budget dont really go along with each other. The only thing I would buy different is the PSU, never heard of Super flower. Been using cooler master for OCd PC for 6 years and it never went wrong. They are in the similar price bracket as well.


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    BloodBath
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    The super flower amazons are highly rated and regarded psus. Nothing wrong with it.

    People assume they don't go together but the rig above kind of proves that it's possible. €1100 isn't really budget money but considering that it's a powerful 1440p pc it's very cheap. It's an option for people who come here with that budget who would normally get a 1080p gaming pc.

    I don't think I'd stray too far from the original build. There's already a lot of compromises been made but the quality of all the parts is still top notch.

    It's definitely possible to knock nearly €100 off though if you put off buying the ssd and cpu cooler until a later date.


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    NTMK
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    Geralt wrote: »
    Nicely laid out and on a budget. Although words 1440p gaming and on a budget dont really go along with each other. The only thing I would buy different is the PSU, never heard of Super flower. Been using cooler master for OCd PC for 6 years and it never went wrong. They are in the similar price bracket as well.

    superflowers are made by seasonic who make the most reliable PSU's same as XFX,Corsair(with a few exceptions) and a few others
    1440p can be done under a €1000 but a lot of sacrifices have to be made as it effectively needs to be a €700 with graphics horsepower

    I spent €600 on a GPU(s) (twice) to deliver similar performance at 1440p

    @bloodbath the merc doesnt have the best airflow but in my experience the 7870's dont generate a lot of heat.


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    NTMK
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    BloodBath wrote: »
    I don't think I'd stray too far from the original build. There's already a lot of compromises been made but the quality of all the parts is still top notch.

    It's definitely possible to knock nearly €100 off though if you put off buying the ssd and cpu cooler until a later date.

    i wouldnt either but if i really really had to push it under a grand it can be done:)


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    BloodBath
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    At stock speeds sure but those gpus will do up to 1200mhz on the core if you can keep them cool enough.

    The zalman is a far superior case for only €13 more. 5 fans with a fan controller. You can't go wrong.

    Likewise you could go for an fx 4300 and save €10 but it would be madness when the fx6300 has 50% more cores for €10 more. Games will start making use of those extra 2 cores soon enough anyway.


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    Geralt
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    Aaa right its done by seasonic, that makes sense now. Hate when companies rebrand stuff


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    ShadowHearth
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    Geralt wrote: »
    Nicely laid out and on a budget. Although words 1440p gaming and on a budget dont really go along with each other. The only thing I would buy different is the PSU, never heard of Super flower. Been using cooler master for OCd PC for 6 years and it never went wrong. They are in the similar price bracket as well.

    That rang in my head too when i heard budget and 1440p mentioned. I would better go for a Strong 1080p build, which most likely will be able to go easily to 1440p with GPU upgrade (second GPU added cheaply most likely ).
    Yes, 1440p is awesome, but I would not go budget to get it. Still, not bad build Bloodbath.


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    BloodBath
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    I don't see the problem. If I was buying a rig now with a budget of €1100 I'd be very tempted. The above build is pretty much the maximum price/performance you can get.

    Unless you play mainly cpu limited games like starcraft 2 or the total war series. That's entirely down to ****ty programming rather than the cpu though. It shouldn't be a problem with future games using 6 threads.


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    NTMK
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    Geralt wrote: »
    Aaa right its done by seasonic, that makes sense now. Hate when companies rebrand stuff

    Superflower outsoure to Seasonic not rebranding more hiring a company thats better a making power supplys to make them
    BloodBath wrote: »
    At stock speeds sure but those gpus will do up to 1200mhz on the core if you can keep them cool enough.

    The zalman is a far superior case for only €13 more. 5 fans with a fan controller. You can't go wrong.

    Likewise you could go for an fx 4300 and save €10 but it would be madness when the fx6300 has 50% more cores for €10 more. Games will start making use of those extra 2 cores soon enough anyway.

    1GHz cards do 1440p60 just fine i built a rig with 2 of them last year when they were €310 each :o

    I wouldnt even touch the cpu when trimming i cut the stuff that wont effect performance first


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    lukepaddy2
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    BloodBath wrote: »
    I don't see the problem. If I was buying a rig now with a budget of €1100 I'd be very tempted. The above build is pretty much the maximum price/performance you can get.

    Its a very good setup but I would probably go with the Nvidia graphics cards as less micro-stuttering or has it been fixed. I see people spending 1500 on an 1080P and I just think to myself why? Its a very good build, who cares about having a nice case and a load of peripherals all you want is raw power which is exactly what that PC has.

    Also I see people spending an extra 100 on a i5 when there is very very little difference between them in newer games. Also games are going to be optimized for more cores and AMD architecture in the next couple of months.

    Also I don't think an SSD is necessary as well tbh. I have an 8320 and I don't really notice the difference with one or without one. PC boots up five seconds quicker doesn't really bother me.


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    Gumbi
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    lukepaddy2 wrote: »
    Its a very good setup but I would probably go with the Nvidia graphics cards as less micro-stuttering. I see people spending 1500 on an 1080P and I just think to myself why? Its a very good build, who cares about having a nice case and a load of peripherals all you want is raw power which is exactly what that PC has.

    Also I see people spending an extra 100 on a i5 when there is very very little difference between them in newer games. Also games are going to be optimized for more cores and AMD architecture in the next couple of months.
    AMD have largely addressed CF issues in their latest beta driver, with better things still to come.


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    lukepaddy2
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 47 ✭lukepaddy2


    Gumbi wrote: »
    AMD have largely addressed CF issues in their latest beta driver, with better things still to come.

    Cool, didn't realise


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    BloodBath
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    Are those cards 1ghz at stock?

    If you want to add fans to the alpha later it's going to cost you a lot more than the extra €13 for the zalman case though. That's with no fan controller. So you're looking at around €30-€40 minimum to get a similar 5 fan + controller option.

    If someones spending over €1k on a gaming pc they can stretch another €13. It is affecting performance as you won't get overclocks as high on the cards or cpu with ****ty airflow.

    I wouldn't be without an ssd to be honest. Boot times are way faster than 5s over hdd. More like 30s+, more depending on how many programs start up with windows. The performance and responsiveness of windows and programs is way faster. Not waiting for hdd to spin up or seek. Also things like alt + tabbing out of a game while its loading or whatever takes way longer if you are running off of a single hdd.


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    NTMK
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    BloodBath wrote: »
    Are those cards 1ghz at stock?

    If you want to add fans to the alpha later it's going to cost you a lot more than the extra €13 for the zalman case though. That's with no fan controller. So you're looking at around €30-€40 minimum to get a similar 5 fan + controller option.

    If someones spending over €1k on a gaming pc they can stretch another €13. It is affecting performance as you won't get overclocks as high on the cards or cpu with ****ty airflow.

    yep they were GHZ editon sapphires no oc as i've no experience ocing GPUS and i didnt want to take the risk on a pc for a friend who isnt the most computer literate esp when im not around the pc to maintain it

    i wouldnt drop the case unless i absolutely had to and the zalman sounds like a fantastic deal


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    lukepaddy2
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 47 ✭lukepaddy2


    ShadowHearth wrote: »
    That rang in my head too when i heard budget and 1440p mentioned. I would better go for a Strong 1080p build, which most likely will be able to go easily to 1440p with GPU upgrade (second GPU added cheaply most likely ).
    Yes, 1440p is awesome, but I would not go budget to get it. Still, not bad build Bloodbath.


    Why exactly wouldn't you. What would you change for your 1080P build?


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    NTMK
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    lukepaddy2 wrote: »
    Why exactly wouldn't you. What would you change for your 1080P build?

    SSD
    possibly a different case
    better processor
    strong single GPU

    just as an example


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    marco_polo
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    NTMK wrote: »
    Superflower outsoure to Seasonic not rebranding more hiring a company thats better a making power supplys to make yours



    1GHz cards do 1440p60 just fine i built a rig with 2 of them last year when they were €310 each :o

    I wouldnt even touch the cpu when trimming i cut the stuff that wont effect performance first

    Superflower are an OEM manufacturer themselves, I don't think they have any relationship with Seasonic at all?

    (Or do you mean that SF just make their own designs and get seasonic to manufacture them, if thats the case, and I don't think that it is, I wasn't aware of it)


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    NTMK
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    marco_polo wrote: »
    Superflower are an OEM manufacturer themselves, I don't think they have any relationship with Seasonic at all?
    You're right Superfloower oem for others, must have got confused with how ****ed up psu manufacturing is:o

    either way they make fantastic PSUs except for their ugly cabling:pac:


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    marco_polo
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    NTMK wrote: »
    You're right Superfloower oem for others, must have got confused with how ****ed up psu manufacturing is:o

    either way they make fantastic PSUs except for their ugly cabling:pac:

    The horrific blue LEDs of the Amazons series are surely worthy of a mention :P


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    NTMK
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    marco_polo wrote: »
    The horrific blue LEDs of the Amazons series are surely worthy of a mention :P

    i can hide the blue by facing the fan down i cant hide the rainbow cables though


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    #27
    BloodBath
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    They would match the zalman blue led fans at least.


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    #28
    mikom
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    Has anyone ever done a "How low can you go? 1080p gaming rig."
    Possible for a third the price of the 1440p........ approx 400 Euro?


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    ..Brian..
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    mikom wrote: »
    Has anyone ever done a "How low can you go? 1080p gaming rig."
    Possible for a third the price of the 1440p........ approx 400 Euro?

    That would be interesting incl monitor, windows and peripherals!


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    mikom
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    ..Brian.. wrote: »
    That would be interesting incl monitor, windows and peripherals!

    Yep.
    I suppose the mouse and speakers could be left out as many will have them hanging around.
    It should be able to play a current game at an acceptable level though..... say Bioshock infinite or the new Metro.


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    BloodBath
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    I could knock one up in a bit. It's not going going to be anything like €400 though. I'd say about €600.

    Bioshock infinite uses the 8 year old unreal 3 engine. It's not really stressful. Metro is a different kettle of fish.


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