(1) My points have merit in their own right and not in my head.
(2) When did I advocate something from the english system in this thread?
(3) I did not say that payscales are madness, I said that the structure of teacher pay is madness, there is a difference. For a start, unlike other parts of the public service, increments are awarded automatically by default, in the civil service you no longer get an increment unless you have completed the PMDS process and achieved a certain level. Granted, not a huge percentage are refused an increment but it is an improvement over the teacher situation. I could go on and talk about why principal and deputy principal posts are paid an allowance rather than being a separate scale as elsewhere or about the length of the payscale, the archaic qualification allowances or some of the other dubious allowances, the requirement to have a separate pay arrangement for S&S because the government of the time couldn't be seen to give a pay increase to teachers because of the ASTI dispute etc. etc. without mentioning a word about the payscales or the level of pay.
Please stop the kneejerk defensive reactions and think about how things could be better for the taxpayer and the students as well as the teachers.
2. Just have a wee re-read of that post of mine.....I said "whoever was mentioning the English system"......I was making a couple of points in the same post so sorry if you felt that was me misrepresenting you.
3. Payscales and pay structures? Think we'll avoid splitting hairs over this one.
I can't see how anything I've said in this thread is a knee jerk reaction to anything. That's an extremely unfair accusation. But I couldn't really give a hoot anymore! Just wanted to state what I believe the unions have done for us.