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19-02-2012, 14:58   #16
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Well really, I'm just asking questions, so...
I know what your doing, so please.......
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19-02-2012, 15:00   #17
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Ignore me, please. Because clearly every single post I've ever posted against transgender people is inherently transphobic, both on this account and on my former account (Killer Pigeon). Because I'm just out to get transgender people. I'm an ignominious troll...

Please...
Well, what if they were told their appearence in such an advertisement was based entirely on a different premise altogether. With contractual agreements, their hands maybe tied so to prevent them taking any action.

It almost seems we trans people should be guilty by association.
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19-02-2012, 15:01   #18
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Lets just stick to the topic at hand please.
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19-02-2012, 15:02   #19
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Didn't transgender/transvestite people agree to participate in this advertisement?

Where do you think they stand?

What exactly is transphobia?

Looking at the word, it would appear to be a blatant fear and/or hate of people who are transgender/transvestite.

How exactly does this advertisement display such phobia?

This debacle is sort of like the controversy involve Ryanair's "suggestive" advertising, which apparently was a debasement of women. I mean these people (say women, transgender/transvestite people, gay people, etc..) choose to get involve in these advertisements - if they thought that what they were doing would offend others, why did they get involved?

Would you regard the Monty Python or Little Britain sketches involving men who dress up in women's clothing are transphobic (would you regard the "I'm a lady", sketch from Little Britain as transphobic?).

Note: I haven't really expressed an opinion on this thread yet, just remember that before you reply to my post. Really, I'm just asking questions here. Attack the post, not the poster and all that jazz...
+1, I doubt anyone here will respond to your post though PP.

Don't see anything wrong with the ad tbh, Transphobic?? lol.
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19-02-2012, 15:05   #20
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Or what you think I'm doing...

I've chatted to you before on this (through my former account - Killer Pigeon). You seem very ready to brand people before you realised what they were actually trying to get across (I think it was the thread regard Sweden and sex-change). Read back on those post, then you'll understand my standpoint (i.e., I'm not transphobic).

Now, back to the topic at hand...
Okay 'its all about you', there I've said it happy now,
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19-02-2012, 15:07   #21
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Ladies and Gentlemen, quit the snipping please.
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Well if you want a little more indepth analysis of the video, then here it goes. First the commentator describes Transwomen and Ciswomen as Stallions and Mares. That's more of an undue poke at the entire female spectrum.

Secondly at 0:20, referring to a Ciswoman as a dog and at 0:23 referring to a Transwoman as 'well you figure it out'. Doesn't necessarily paint women in any positive way at all. As for Ladies, while some women may enjoy it, I don't see how voting on the best dressed actually does anything for a womans self-esteem as a whole.
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...It almost seems we trans people should be guilty by association.
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19-02-2012, 15:26   #24
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One more post from me on this thread outlining one or two things. This is why a few trans members have left. Constantly defending ourselves when such transphobic shíte is brought up and aired on TV, then having to dissect why and how it's derrogitory and transphobic.

Being a trans mod, it kind of backs me into a corner somewhat too. This kind of debate gives or has given some past trans members the feeling that we no longer have anywhere safe to discuss topical issues that affect us and on the other hand, if I go passing out infractions and closing threads, then that gives the impression that Transsexuality isn't up for debate and one should get on with it.

The whole point of this thread is Paddy Powers píss poor advertising campaign and not some Transphobic slight of hand. Neither does the appearence of Trans People in the ad make it okay to dismiss any idea of transphobia.

So, I'm giving one last warning from this post onwards, discuss the video or I'm closing the thread for now.
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19-02-2012, 15:27   #25
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+1, I doubt anyone here will respond to your post though PP.

Don't see anything wrong with the ad tbh, Transphobic?? lol.
Joined Boards 12 years ago and your first posting in the LGBT forum welcome,
Why do you think the ad isn't transphobic?
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Not only is that very clearly transphobic and misogynistic, it's so ridiculously out there on so many levels I get the sneaking suspicion they're baiting for complaints - i.e. free publicity. That ad has to be intentionally designed to offend, it wouldn't make it on air were it not.

It doesn't even clearly advertise them, I've watched it twice now and all I can remember is Cheltenham and Facebook, obviously the branding isn't meant to be in the ad itself...

Seriously, do people just like claiming others are overly sensitive for the sake of it? If it was just "stallions and mares", in-out jokes and long sausages before the watershed (seriously, they fit all that in in about 2 seconds), with no minority trodden on in it's path, you'd probably accept it as fair that the ASA should look into it, but as soon as it's about people someone has to insist they're wrong.

Even the tagline at the end is "let's hear it" with their Facebook details, I mean what is that if not "come at me brah!".
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Bit of a strange ad! I don't mind offensive ads cos I don't get offended easily but this one wasn't even clever or funny

Like others have said, it just seems set out to intentionally offend and provoke a response. I wouldn't get too caught up in it to be honest
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Okay, mod number two stepping in here folks. This thread has settled in the last few posts but let's just get a few reminders from the charter in.

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This means no bitching, no name calling, no sniping at each other, no insults, and no-one gets to tell the trans members of the board that they are wrong or whatever for being offended by the ad. If they are, they are. By all means debate the points, but anyone dismissing the feelings or opinions of trans posters WILL get infracted.
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19-02-2012, 16:02   #29
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Ironic thing is to be Trans in this world you have to be the least sensitive, thick skinned type of person just to make it through the day or a television program or a newspaper or a magazine or a job interview or puberty or intimacy etc. etc. etc.
Easily Offended? most people have no idea how uneasily offended trans people have to be,
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Leaving out the transphobia and sexism for a moment, I'm offended because it's such a crap ad in general. It's an insult to the intelligence of the viewing public.
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