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Reasons for owning a higher performance car in Ireland?
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18-04-2011 12:09pm#1
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knowing that if and when you need to, youre car can and will get you out of a sticky situation that probably our own stupidity got us in in the first place and simply that when we pull up next to a normal car we can look down on them like an insect and possess huge cojones
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First off, I'm very much in favour of high performance cars, I'd just like to find out how people justify the high running, tax and insurance costs in Ireland to themselves. I'm defining 'performance' as Golf GTI and above - a fairly wimpy yardstick I know, but this is Ireland after all.
So considering we don't have much of a motorway network, low max speed limits compared to some countries, small landmass and very few racing tracks, what's the point in buying a high(er) performance car? Basically, when I go looking for one I want to be able to justify it to myself.
The ability to make the rest of us in our crapmobiles soil ourselves with jealousy would be worth it alone. 0 -
Seems as the Golf GTi sneaks in I reckon I can mutter about the ZT, no way a performance car but it's a grand a year to tax and does 20mpg ish, justification
- cheap to buy
- tremendous handling
- V6 sounds lovely
- has cruise control, leather/alcantara seats, auto dip mirror, auto wipers etc etc as well as all the standard standard muck like 4 electric windows, fogs, ABS bla bla bla
- I love it
- only €300 to insure too btw
Driving the likes of a boggo Avensis, Golf, Focus, Mondeo etc would depress the arse off me not to mind stuff like a little Fiesta or Fabia. Minimising depreciation makes my car financially sensible so I don't even have to justify it to myself
I wouldn't class a GTi or my yoke as a performance car with high running costs though.0 -
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Two lanes going in your direction, you come to lights, after the lights the road quickly filters into one lane in your direction, you pull up to the lights as normal and then some idiot pulls up in the other lane but sticks their car/van/jeep half way across the junction to try to skip ahead of you when the lane filters.
You wait.....
Light goes green, you go and without even breaking stride go past them and safely into the lane in the correct manner while they're foot is planted struggling to get up to speed.
Worth €1280 tax a year every time! 0 -
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Back roads:
Back roads with small chances of safe overtaking needs powerful cars in Ireland. But car gets bigger, perception of narrow roads makes it harder to go faster. IMO, 2 lt clio is better than 4 lt 7 series at back roads from performance perspective.
Motorways:
Powerful engines with long ratio 5/6 th gear can give low rev silent cruising on motorways. Big engine regardless car itself always makes you feel good on motorways
I think big engine luxury cars quite cheap in Ireland in comparing to other countries and this should justify running costs.0 -
Backroads and limited overtaking are indeed what commands a performance car, but I would disagree that a V8 7series and its ilk is worse than a 2litre Clio. People talk about "big and small" cars as if there was a huge size difference, but in the context of the length of a road section the size is utterly irrelevant. Handling does come into it, but a quick, torque'y overtake is not a handling focused movement and big V8s do this job quite excellent.Back roads:
Back roads with small chances of safe overtaking needs powerful cars in Ireland. But car gets bigger, perception of narrow roads makes it harder to go faster. IMO, 2 lt clio is better than 4 lt 7 series at back roads from performance perspective.
Only if you are used to small nippy cars can the big powerful ones seem a handful. However considering a 2.0litre hatchback would be considered a performance car in Ireland.. this is a moot point.
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Sounds like you've been watching too much Clarkson. The Greens don't care what you drive, as long as you pay your taxes. I'm a Green and i've always driven quickish cars. As Chris says, we do it because it's fun. And for those of you whining about the state of the roads, lose the big rims and hard suspension and you'll go a lot faster and in more comfort. Unless, of course, making a statement is more important than actual ability?;)Because it's a statement like sticking up two fingers to whinging greenies.0 -
Matt Simis wrote: »Backroads and limited overtaking are indeed what commands a performance car, but I would disagree that a V8 7series and its ilk is worse than a 2litre Clio. People talk about "big and small" cars as if there was a huge size difference, but in the context of the length of a road section the size is utterly irrelevant. Handling does come into it, but a quick, torque'y overtake is not a handling focused movement and big V8s do this job quite excellent.
Only if you are used to small nippy cars can the big powerful ones seem a handful. However considering a 2.0litre hatchback would be considered a performance car in Ireland.. this is a moot point.
First of all, I prefer a V8 7 series over a clio anytime on any kind of road .
IMO, throwing a 2 lt clio with proper suspension on a sharp corner fast is easier and less riskier than 7 series in a narrow back road. Because 7 series will almost fill lane and leave so little space in lane to use in case of an unexpected slip or stupid oncoming driver. My logic is all about driving at the limit with minimum risk
About overtaking, I agree that a V8 7 series won't have so much problem power wise but again if it is a narrow road with tight overtaking lane I would be more hesitant to do a fast overtake maneuver in 7 series than clio.
It may only be me slowing down more on blind corners with big cars to not to scare oncoming traffic 0 -
Deutschlandfürimmer7 wrote: »knowing that if and when you need to, youre car can and will get you out of a sticky situation that probably our own stupidity got us in in the first place and simply that when we pull up next to a normal car we can look down on them like an insect and possess huge cojones
lol,don't you drive a 1.4 astra or something?0 -
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Alanstrainor wrote: »Don't worry...pretty much everything out there will annihilate my Polo.
and my Seicento
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Reason #1: The possibility that your car might turn up here:
Here's what I saw today (Please read the rules before posting)
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First off, I'm very much in favour of high performance cars, I'd just like to find out how people justify the high running, tax and insurance costs in Ireland to themselves. I'm defining 'performance' as Golf GTI and above - a fairly wimpy yardstick I know, but this is Ireland after all.
So considering we don't have much of a motorway network, low max speed limits compared to some countries, small landmass and very few racing tracks, what's the point in buying a high(er) performance car? Basically, when I go looking for one I want to be able to justify it to myself.
I think if you (or anyone) needs to justify it to yourself then you might never get one.
I have my 8er (wouldn't really call it a high performance car though) because I want it Pure desire really, same for the Lexus ...........
They're quite the 'must have' rather then the 'need' item imo. My 'need' wagon is a Corolla.
Go out and do it - you know you want to (Or if you're looking for excuses for the OH (or your own subconscious) then there's plenty of viable material above 0 -
Alanstrainor wrote: »or a Seicento...:pac:
You would give me a run for my mo ey in my super awesome 1.6 mondy!
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Sad reasons if you ask me. Sounds like a fast motor is wasted on you. What you got? If I had a fast car it'd be for the ready access to the power if I ever feel the need for speed.savagecabbages wrote: »My #1 reason is so irish people can begrudge me about how much tax i pay or how many miles per gallon i might get in an effort to make me feel bad about having a nicer car than them. still sleep at night though0 -
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TestTransmission wrote: »lol,don't you drive a 1.4 astra or something?
I do but I'm still a man after all plus with 2 buddies having m3s, 1 an evo 7 and another with an s2000, i know :pac: 0 -
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