Sex before marriage?

There has been some debate on Marriage.

Marriage in the east Orthodox does not unite a man and a woman. Rather, it is the Church's recognition of a union that God has already begun to work in their lives. If you love a woman and know that you will always be with that woman and love her, then Sex comes naturally. The Formal marriage is just a blessing, because its not the Church that marries you... Its you and your wife that marry each other.

The whole sex questions becomes problematic when people have sex without limits with various partners, this the act has no real love or commitment, its just an egoistic expression.

I'm a young fella. I'm Catholic, and naturally, I believe sex is for marriage where it is for the creation of lots of tiny babies and the good of the spouses. The husband and wife can raise the tiny children and lead them to God.

You can read about what the Church teaches about sex here:
http://www.chastity.com/

Wicknight wrote: »

"No fear tactics" followed by pages and pages of fear tactics ... nice one :P

Any wonder teenagers simply ignore this stuff

I think the viewers can visit the website and make up their own mind.

Me - I haven't a notion of what you're talking about.

OP: You can't exclude the Bible when you are talking about Christianity. The Christian case is that people wait until marriage even if this is currently countercultural. Christianity involves living for God in this world, and by living for God in this world we will inevitably stand out from others.

I believe in waiting until marriage because it is logical.

1. No risk of unplanned pregnancy or in the worst case scenario being responsible for taking another life through abortion. Although contraceptives are a significant advance in human development and knowledge there is always a risk of failure.

2. Both partners are on the same page when it comes to sexual intimacy. Often in relationships where there is sexual activity before marriage people can get into situations whereby one partner sees sex as being a bigger and more significant thing than the other, and when the relationship splits one can be left feeling incredibly hurt as a result of this.

3. Also to consider in the event of pregnancy and birth outside of marriage - In the case of family there is also significant evidence to show that marriages with mothers and fathers are the best for raising children in even in comparison to co-habitation.

There is significant value in the commitment that people make to eachother in marriage even if many marriages end in divorce.

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

If you use the bible as the basis of you're entire faith and take it litterally you will probably have some real fundamentalist views.

Not all of the Bible is written in a style where one can take it literally. For example Jesus' parables make very little sense if one considers it as an agricultural handbook, but if one considers them in respect to the Kingdom of God and God's relationship with mankind as they were intended to be written it becomes a lot more clear.

I do however take God's revelation to mankind through the Bible as the basis of not just my faith, but my entire life. If this makes me a fundamentalist I'm quite happy to accept the title :pac:

boygeorge wrote:

Does our generation still think it is wrong to have sex until after we say those two little words "I do", or prehaps we think it is alright to do so after we say "I love you" ?

What does "I love you" mean?

Also, I don't think our generation does because our generation has in many respects rejected God. I'm saying this as someone in my twenties.

boygeorge wrote:

If it is love and not marriage, what about all those thousands of weddings that occur without love, is their consumation wrong?

Marriage and love as I would see it go hand in hand. One naturally results from another.

Wicknight wrote: »

"No fear tactics" followed by pages and pages of fear tactics ... nice one :P

Any wonder teenagers simply ignore this stuff

What's the issue here? Seems quite balanced to me.

I heard that condoms can cause cancer. Is that true?
Here's the story released on May 28, 2004 by Reuters Health:

BERLIN (Reuters) - Most condoms contain a cancer-causing chemical and their manufacture should be subject to greater quality control, a German scientific research institute said Friday. The Chemical and Veterinary Investigation Institute in Stuttgart, Germany, said it found the carcinogen N-Nitrosamine present in 29 of 32 types of condoms it tested in simulated conditions. "N-Nitrosamine is one of the most carcinogenic substances," the study's authors said. "There is a pressing need for manufacturers to tackle this problem." The carcinogen is thought to be present in a substance used to improve condom elasticity. When the rubber material comes in contact with human bodily fluids, it can release traces of N-Nitrosamine, the study said. Local government officials said condom users should not stop using rubber contraceptives based on results of the study because N-Nitrosamine does not present an immediate health danger. But Germany's Federal Institute for Risk Assessment said that daily condom use exposed users to N-Nitrosamine levels up to three times higher than levels naturally present in food.

So, while it's accurate to say that many condoms contain a chemical that can lead to cancer, it would be an exaggeration to say that people who use condoms will get cancer from them. For example, my garden hose says that it contains materials that are "known to the state of California to cause cancer." But I'm still going to use it to wash off my basketball court. Now, the problem with condoms is more serious, because, as the study says, we're talking about "one of the most carcinogenic substances," and the manufacturers haven't done much about it.

But because our world is infatuated with contraception, you can be sure that everyone will down-play this study, and say, "it's no excuse for unprotected sex." Too bad they can't see this as further evidence that we're just not meant to neuter each other.

Improbable wrote: »

The issue is that they're wrong.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11759152

In these matters, you'll find a ping-pong series of studies, one for, one against. Usually the supportive studies are made by big companies with a vested interest in showing the 'safety' of their products. The only thing we know is, the condoms have a carcinogen in them. That is the only point the chasity.com article is making. And in that, they are right. Even your own study confirms this:

In summary, the risk for the induction of tumors from nitrosamines in condoms is very low.

Very low, but still there. Which is exactly the point the article made.

Wicknight wrote: »

And that this was just one of many examples of nonsense on this site.

Others include stating that

• masturbation is harmful to you,
• that sex outside of marriage leads to depression,
• that sex outside of marriage leads to violence,
• homosexuality is caused by too much "mothering"
• that "hooking up" is equivalent to prostitution,
• that looking at girls in swimsuits causes the brain to dehumanize them
• wearing a swimsuit causes the brains of those looking at you to dehumanize you

and so on and so on.

This is nonsense pseudo-science trying to be used to back up a theological position. That is always doomed to failure. People aren't stupid, even teenagers. Lying to them won't work.

Again, I'd let the rest of the class make up their own mind. This is the page you found problematic, amongst others:
http://www.chastity.com/chastity-qa/pornography-etc/masturbation/masturbation-harmfu

It must be borne in mind, that much of the truth about sex is concealed through the darkened intellect and disordered appetites of participants in impurity. I know because I was once in that way of life myself. When your mind is darkened, you cannot see spiritual realities, and you cannot see what is good and pure. Indeed, they are repulsive to the sinner, a subject of mockery and scorn.

The fruits of impurity are rotten, and there is nothing in that article which can be reputed.

Donatello wrote: »

It is spiritually harmful. It is also damaging in so much as it distorts sex. It affects our bonding ability, so we won't be as attached to our spouse when we do marry if we slept around and masturbated a lot. It weakens the bond. Is that a problem? You decide.

There's so much abortion, pornography, broken marriages, rapes, sexual abuse, perversions, you don't have to wonder at the sexual revolution - the fruits are bad. Do you need science to tell you that? Just look at the newspapers.

You can say that again. My years of fiddling have also misaligned my Chakras, caused a yellowish hue to my aura and Im never beating it when the moon is in Uranus ever again