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PK and the pointless Tina Leonard

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  • #32
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Her years of experience at the coalface of consumer affairs do nothing but highlight her expertise - all guff about Gates and 'job titles' aside. Quite what you imagine qualifies as better expertise escapes me. Anyone, expert or not, can fail to prepare for an aspect of their job, but no-one has yet pointed to a specific instance of that happening in this case, so we're still in the domain of the notional.

    Two (Ill-informed and subjective) threads whinging about Tina on the interweb? Must be case closed then, eh?


  • #33
    ntlbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    Not case closed at all, people are more than welcome as you are to tell us how great the show is and show us all blinding examples of her great advice.

    I won't be holding my breath tho.


  • #34
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Sarcasm isn't your strong suit - I'd stick to the unsubstantiated and wooly moaning - you've talent in that area.


  • #35
    ntlbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    alastair wrote: »
    Sarcasm isn't your strong suit - I'd stick to the unsubstantiated and wooly moaning - you've talent in that area.

    Maybe not, but I see personal insulting remarks is yours.


  • #36
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Not really - unless unsubstantiated and wooly moaning is the totality of your personality? I'm simply responding to the post.


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  • #37
    ntlbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    alastair wrote: »
    Not really - unless unsubstantiated and wooly moaning is the totality of your personality? I'm simply responding to the post.

    Happy New Year Tina.

    ciao..


  • #38
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Now that IS sad.


  • #39
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    JonathanAnon wrote: »
    ... I would not take any of her advice as being gospel, I would feel the need to double check everything that she gives advice on...


    ^^This

    Have seen her a few times on daytime tv and heard her a few times on radio and have to say she doesn't inspire confidence in what she actually says.
    I would have to go research whatever she says is consumer law as she simply doesn't ring true.
    Which kind of defeats the purpose of wheeling her out to advise.


  • #40
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    And having done your own research was she right or wrong?


  • #41
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    alastair wrote: »
    And having done your own research was she right or wrong?

    I think you are taking this far too personally, as opposed to giving it the cold hard analysis that it deserves..She comes on Pat Kenny's show purportedly to give advice... but I am never convinced by anything she says.. this is because

    a) She is far too ambiguous, and gives responses like "you would think that, Pat" and similar... She needs to give absolute answers, not the wishy washy answers that have become her forté.
    b) She needs to improve her delivery.. she is far too casual and "girly", much like somebody who is reviewing movies or celeb gossip.. She is talking about serious issues and needs to deliver the information in a more professional and forthright manner..

    Professionally speaking, I think she really needs to improve.


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  • #42
    ntlbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    JonathanAnon wrote: »
    I think you are taking this far too personally, as opposed to giving it the cold hard analysis that it deserves..She comes on Pat Kenny's show purportedly to give advice... but I am never convinced by anything she says.. this is because

    a) She is far too ambiguous, and gives responses like "you would think that, Pat" and similar... She needs to give absolute answers, not the wishy washy answers that have become her forté.
    b) She needs to improve her delivery.. she is far too casual and "girly", much like somebody who is reviewing movies or celeb gossip.. She is talking about serious issues and needs to deliver the information in a more professional and forthright manner..

    Professionally speaking, I think she really needs to improve.

    Another wooly moaner.

    Who knew.


  • #43
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    JonathanAnon wrote: »
    Professionally speaking, I think she really needs to improve.

    So... That would be a no then - you found nothing wrong with her advice?


  • #44
    ntlbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    alastair wrote: »
    So... That would be a no then - you found nothing wrong with her advice?

    Let me help you out and I'll post what he said again.

    Do you see what's wrong here?

    christ all mighty.

    a) She is far too ambiguous, and gives responses like "you would think that, Pat" and similar... She needs to give absolute answers, not the wishy washy answers that have become her forté.
    b) She needs to improve her delivery.. she is far too casual and "girly", much like somebody who is reviewing movies or celeb gossip.. She is talking about serious issues and needs to deliver the information in a more professional and forthright manner..

    Let me know if you need it any bigger.


  • #45
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Still no wrong advice then, eh?

    Not all answers are absolutes - a short radio slot can clarify rights, but context can mean that there's no one definitive answer to all cases. You wouldn't want people believing that a solution applied to them if it may well not. Now that would be pretty unprofessional.


  • #46
    ntlbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    alastair wrote: »
    Still no wrong advice then, eh?

    Not all answers are absolutes - a short radio slot can clarify rights, but context can mean that there's no one definitive answer to all cases. You wouldn't want people believing that a solution applied to them if it may well not. Now that would be pretty unprofessional.

    huh?

    So if she can't give a definitve answer to a persons question wtf is the point of the slot?

    Listen the Money doctor on newstalk.

    Quetion - Answer / Advice

    Question - Answer / Advice

    Tina

    Question / mumbling rambling about something not related to the question, no clear concise answer.

    See the difference?

    If you want examples, listen to the bloody podcasts.


  • #47
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    alastair its time you revealed your relationship with Tina Leonard because no one would spend this much time hitting F5 if they didn't have some sort of connection with the subject matter.


  • #48
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    alastair wrote: »
    And having done your own research was she right or wrong?

    I said her 'delivery', for want of a better term, wouldn't convince me.


  • #49
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    gambiaman wrote: »
    I said her 'delivery', for want of a better term, wouldn't convince me.

    And yet you can't point out anything wrong in the substance of her answers?


  • #50
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    ntlbell wrote: »
    Tina

    Question / mumbling rambling about something not related to the question, no clear concise answer.

    If you want examples, listen to the bloody podcasts.

    You seem a bit obsessed with Tina tbh.

    I've heard her many times on Pat's show - never heard her give out wrong information. Your focus seems to have nothing to do with the actual answers, but the woman herself.


  • #51
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    Well if you take the previous thread that we had about Tina.. from earlier in 2010.. similar points are made..

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=65733451

    and you defended her in a similar way.. I think the majority of the comments substantiate my two points...
    Posted by tbh:
    PK: A pack of peanuts contains the warning "may contain nuts".
    20 seconds later TL goes "and of course it would have to....oh yeah".
    Posted by Barname:
    more wasted airtime with Tina
    her favourite phrase:'Its a tricky one'
    Posted by todolist:
    I thought her favourite phrase was 'That's a good question Pat'.

    She has a lack of credibility problem... If she researched the topics better before going on air, and got some media coaching... the situation could be redeemable, but she has a lot of work to do..


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  • #52
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    So - essentially your complaint is that she has bit of banter with Pat. Terrible altogether. Given that she provides actual answers to actual questions, this fixation with her conversational style seems mightly shallow stuff. I'll stick with the substance cheers.


  • #53
    Barname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭Barname


    alastair wrote: »
    So - essentially your complaint is that she has bit of banter with Pat. Terrible altogether. Given that she provides actual answers to actual questions, this fixation with her conversational style seems mightly shallow stuff. I'll stick with the substance cheers.

    alastair you have left many questions that have been put to you here unanswered.

    your repeated fanatical rants are growing tiresome.

    try engaging with the actual points being made and please do clarify the basis for your bias.

    as it is you are merely becoming a source of much merriment


  • #54
    ntlbell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,287 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    alastair wrote: »
    You seem a bit obsessed with Tina tbh.
    .

    I'm sorry but you're the one here defending her.

    Pot kettle etc


  • #55
    Oracle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,630 ✭✭✭Oracle


    Whether she's good or not, she sure talks fast, it's as if there's someone beside her with a stopwatch .... "OK Tina you've 30 secs to say this, ready, steady .... GO!" and off she gallops! :D

    Sadly PK's travel expert Eoghan Corry has the same problem, only worse.


  • #56
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,567 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Tina is in the RTE "clique" now. She doesn't even bother to answer some of the questions adequately.

    Perhaps RTE sees consumer issues as part of it's public service remit, otherwise I can't see any reason for so much attention to these issues.


  • #57
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Barname wrote: »
    alastair you have left many questions that have been put to you here unanswered.

    That's right. Because I choose not to.
    Barname wrote: »
    your repeated fanatical rants are growing tiresome.

    try engaging with the actual points being made and please do clarify the basis for your bias.

    as it is you are merely becoming a source of much merriment

    I'm not the one ranting. I'm simply pointing to the fact that no-one has presented a single instance of Tina providing incorrect advice. The worst that's been suggested is that she engages in (apparently) 'unprofessional' banter with Pat, rather than act as some sort of advice vending robot. That's it as far as 'actual points' go - the rest is just either: A - misinformation being passed off as fact, or B - entirely subjective opinion with no actual grounds to support it (I don't 'feel' she's reliable). Not much to engage with there (bar the misinformation, which I've hopefully clarified).

    Glad you're easily amused though.


  • #58
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,311 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    ntlbell wrote: »
    I'm sorry but you're the one here defending her.

    Pot kettle etc

    Not quite. I'm defending the truth of the matter against a mixture of waffle and erroneous bull****. No-one has produced an ounce of evidence to support their case. No-one's stopping you from doing so, if you think you've more than name calling at your disposal.


  • #59
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Its Tinaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! VHI chat


  • #60
    constitutionus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,988 ✭✭✭constitutionus


    jesus does she ever intend to tell us what these bloody plans ARE or mean or is this section of the show exclusivly for the half the country that already know ?

    this is like listening to a fecking physics or applied maths lecture.


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  • #61
    mrsdewinter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭mrsdewinter


    Consumer affairs makes for deathly dull radio. It's so case-specific, that unless the issue under discussion is front and centre on your own agenda, it's just a major turn-off. Plus, with health insurance, you have magical combo of figures and letters. Yawn... Internets, people...


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