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driving motor through diseqc?

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  • 19-05-2010 9:22pm
    #1
    gan23
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭


    tried to run my motor through port 1 of my diseqc switch this evening, it didnt work. I have a 1.1 on a usals motor and a sky dish. I wanted to run the motor through port 1 (default port) of the switch and the sky dish (28 east) through port 2.
    I set 28E up on the receiver for diseqc 1.1 lnb 2 (using an emp centauri 8 way diseqc from my old multi lnb setup) and all other sats were set up for usals.
    The receiver booted up on a 28e channel and that displayed fine. when i changed channel to another sat the dish wouldnt move. I assumed since port 1 was the default it would auto switch back when no diseqc command was being sent from the receiver?? then i switched back to 28e and it displayed fine again.
    Is there any way to get this to work??
    The switch can be reconfigured for diseqc 1.0 if that makes any difference
    Cheers,
    Mick.


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    #2
    settopbox
    Registered Users Posts: 208 ✭✭settopbox


    sounds complicated.

    I would go to another site where they specialise in dish's and motors to find a solution.

    www.satellites.co.uk have a good dish section.

    Unless someone on here can sort you out.


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    snaps
    Registered Users Posts: 7,138 ✭✭✭snaps


    what receiver are you using? I got this to work on a TM6900, but when switching from port 2 (28e) to then use port 1 (Usals) i had to switch the receiver on and off. also sometimes when i selected a 28e channel (port 2) the motorised dish also moved there (but was not receiving it!) gave up in the end and inserted a manual A/B switch


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    gan23
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭gan23


    I am using an azbox elite. I thought it would work since the switch says it can pass a maximum of 400mA. My motor uses a max of 350mA. Why else would the switch be capable of passing so much current if not for use with a motor?? Is there anything else you would use with a diseqc switch that requires that much current?
    So many qeustions :D


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    pelisor2000
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 246 ✭✭pelisor2000


    why you need 2 dishes when you have a motor ?


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    gan23
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭gan23


    well your right, i dont actually need 2 dishes but i had the sky dish there anyway and thought it woul be good if, say the motorised dish was on 1 west and the sky dish was on 28e and i wouldnt have to wait for the motor to move back to 28e. Not really needed but to be honest i was also just wondering if it could be done and was tinkering around with the equipment i had at hand. usually the best way to learn


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    azzeretti
    Registered Users Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭azzeretti


    gan23 wrote: »
    tried to run my motor through port 1 of my diseqc switch this evening, it didnt work. I have a 1.1 on a usals motor and a sky dish. I wanted to run the motor through port 1 (default port) of the switch and the sky dish (28 east) through port 2.
    I set 28E up on the receiver for diseqc 1.1 lnb 2 (using an emp centauri 8 way diseqc from my old multi lnb setup) and all other sats were set up for usals.
    The receiver booted up on a 28e channel and that displayed fine. when i changed channel to another sat the dish wouldnt move. I assumed since port 1 was the default it would auto switch back when no diseqc command was being sent from the receiver?? then i switched back to 28e and it displayed fine again.
    Is there any way to get this to work??
    The switch can be reconfigured for diseqc 1.0 if that makes any difference
    Cheers,
    Mick.

    What you need to do is leave the receiver connected directly to the motor but then place the disecq switch from the motor out and then onto the LNB. The second dish(LNB) can connect to the diseq switch as normal.

    This means the receiver can send directly to the motor using 1.2(1.1 in your case) commands and it will ignore any 1.0 commands and let it pass straight through to the diseq switch and then change LNB.


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    gan23
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭gan23


    ok sounds good. I will try it this weekend. Thanks.
    Hopefully i havent damaged my switch by trying it the previous way....


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    snaps
    Registered Users Posts: 7,138 ✭✭✭snaps


    azzeretti wrote: »
    What you need to do is leave the receiver connected directly to the motor but then place the disecq switch from the motor out and then onto the LNB. The second dish(LNB) can connect to the diseq switch as normal.

    This means the receiver can send directly to the motor using 1.2(1.1 in your case) commands and it will ignore any 1.0 commands and let it pass straight through to the diseq switch and then change LNB.

    I would be interested to find out if this works?


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    gan23
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭gan23


    Couldnt get it to work out:(

    Couldnt get a signal from the lnb of the motorised dish. it switched from fixed dish to motorised no prob and moved the motor but the motor would reach its position and then no signal would come through. switching back to fixed dish then was ok. Think i damaged my switch then at the end so couldnt test any further...


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    downwiththatsor
    Registered Users Posts: 910 ✭✭✭downwiththatsor


    azzeretti wrote: »
    What you need to do is leave the receiver connected directly to the motor but then place the disecq switch from the motor out and then onto the LNB. The second dish(LNB) can connect to the diseq switch as normal.

    This means the receiver can send directly to the motor using 1.2(1.1 in your case) commands and it will ignore any 1.0 commands and let it pass straight through to the diseq switch and then change LNB.

    Can we now conclude that this will / does not work?
    Have only one cable option to receiver and would love to retain diseqc capability for my second dish with my motorised one if azzeretti's suggestion will work.


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    snaps
    Registered Users Posts: 7,138 ✭✭✭snaps


    some motors have 2 lnb output. Output 1 goes to the lnb on the dish and output 2 to a second dish or lnb. there is a simple dideqc a/b swith inside the motor. i now have output 2 to my fixed 75cm 28.2 east dish and all works fine. My motor is an SG2100


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    snaps
    Registered Users Posts: 7,138 ✭✭✭snaps


    gan23 wrote: »
    tried to run my motor through port 1 of my diseqc switch this evening, it didnt work. I have a 1.1 on a usals motor and a sky dish. I wanted to run the motor through port 1 (default port) of the switch and the sky dish (28 east) through port 2.
    I set 28E up on the receiver for diseqc 1.1 lnb 2 (using an emp centauri 8 way diseqc from my old multi lnb setup) and all other sats were set up for usals.
    The receiver booted up on a 28e channel and that displayed fine. when i changed channel to another sat the dish wouldnt move. I assumed since port 1 was the default it would auto switch back when no diseqc command was being sent from the receiver?? then i switched back to 28e and it displayed fine again.
    Is there any way to get this to work??
    The switch can be reconfigured for diseqc 1.0 if that makes any difference
    Cheers,
    Mick.

    It all depends on the receiver you are using. i couldnt get it to work properly with a TM 6900, but my Edision 2 in 1 works fine with a 4 way diseqc switch inline before the motor.

    My setup in living room now is:
    Edision 2 in 1/media PC into a 4 way diseqc switch.
    port 1=Motor
    Port 2=28.2 east 75cm fixed dish
    port 3=30 west 60cm fixed dish

    Settings on Edision:
    All satellite positions (Other than 28.2e/30w)=Diseqc 1/4 USALS ON (The 1/4 setting is important because if you have Diseqc set to none, the motor will get commands to move but not actually change the lnb switch to 1, so the last port that was used, i.e 2 will still be selected)
    28.2e=Diseqc 2/4 Usals OFF
    30 west=Diseqc 3/4 Usals OFF

    My TM6900 is now in Main bedroom being fed with a feed from 28.2 east and a feed from motor (Global Priority switch, Living room has priority). I use a manual A/B swith to switch from the 2 feeds on the TM.

    I cannot get my TM to do what the Edision does, mainly down to the fact the USALS cannot be turned off for individual satellite positions (Its either on or off, via motorised settings).

    Hope any of this helps.


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    downwiththatsor
    Registered Users Posts: 910 ✭✭✭downwiththatsor


    Thanks for the usefull info Snaps, its an Azbox elite so not sure how possible it will be with that receiver?
    The motor is a Technomate tm-2300, not sure if placing the diseqc in line before the motor will work?
    Will try i few things and let you know how i get on.


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    timmydel1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 66 ✭✭timmydel1


    Hi , any updates on how to get this working ??:confused:


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    timmydel1
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    Had a go setting this up myself also as I had a problem seeing 28E with my motorised dish where it it sited (dont ask -long story :) ) Because of this problem I needed to run a connection from my sky dish on front of house into a diseq switch to get this sat.
    Connected port 1 to motorised dish and set up port 2 for 28E.I have an Mvision HD300. When I selected a satellite other than 28E the dish moved and all seemed ok,however after sucessfully then switching to 28E i tried to go back to the motorised dish but it would not move.
    I had to set port 1 to another satellite in my list eg. 5E The dish then moved to this and all the others ok. If I went to 28E and back again I had to pick 5E first to get the dish moving again before I could select any other sat.Small bit of a pain but it works.:D


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    downwiththatsor
    Registered Users Posts: 910 ✭✭✭downwiththatsor


    timmydel1 wrote: »
    Had a go setting this up myself also as I had a problem seeing 28E with my motorised dish where it it sited (dont ask -long story :) ) Because of this problem I needed to run a connection from my sky dish on front of house into a diseq switch to get this sat.
    Connected port 1 to motorised dish and set up port 2 for 28E.I have an Mvision HD300. When I selected a satellite other than 28E the dish moved and all seemed ok,however after sucessfully then switching to 28E i tried to go back to the motorised dish but it would not move.
    I had to set port 1 to another satellite in my list eg. 5E The dish then moved to this and all the others ok. If I went to 28E and back again I had to pick 5E first to get the dish moving again before I could select any other sat.Small bit of a pain but it works.:D

    Congrats on getting it to work, did you place the diseqc in line before the motor or between the motor and the lnb?


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    timmydel1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 66 ✭✭timmydel1


    Hi,sorry for delay in answering.I placed the diseqc in line before the motor.I did not try the other way,decided to leave well enough alone !! I have since set port 1 to 19E as I watch stuff here alot and so as not to have motor turning too far all the time. i.e 5E and back to 19E.


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    Frank2k
    Closed Accounts Posts: 42 ✭Frank2k


    Hi Timmydel1,

    I have a somewhat similar setup except:

    1. Dish fixed on 28.2E, with quad LNB (2 for Sky+ feed, 1 for Radio feed - Gnome, 1 not in use)
    2. Dish with USALS motor and single feed LNB)
    3. SKY+HD receiver,
    4. TM6900HD connected to the USALS.

    Now, I would like to get the ITV's and BBC's on my Technomate so am I right in thinking that the TM6900 single feed cable can be connected to a diseqc switch where one of the feeds can be connected to my spare 28.2E LNB and the other continue to the USALS dish (in that order)?

    Do you have any quality deterioration reads on the feed after you connected the diseqc switch the motor-connected-dish?

    Does the motor work just as good as before? I'm moving mainly between 19E and 5W...


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    timmydel1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 66 ✭✭timmydel1


    Hi Timmydel1,

    I have a somewhat similar setup except:

    1. Dish fixed on 28.2E, with quad LNB (2 for Sky+ feed, 1 for Radio feed - Gnome, 1 not in use)
    2. Dish with USALS motor and single feed LNB)
    3. SKY+HD receiver,
    4. TM6900HD connected to the USALS.

    Now, I would like to get the ITV's and BBC's on my Technomate so am I right in thinking that the TM6900 single feed cable can be connected to a diseqc switch where one of the feeds can be connected to my spare 28.2E LNB and the other continue to the USALS dish (in that order)?

    Do you have any quality deterioration reads on the feed after you connected the diseqc switch the motor-connected-dish?

    Does the motor work just as good as before? I'm moving mainly between 19E and 5W..
    Hi Frank2k,

    Yup, thats the way I am connected. I dont have any quality issues and the motor works grand apart from having to select the satellite that I have set on port 1 first to get it to move.This is why I chose 19E on port 1.
    My setup is a bit messy but I just use it in the spare room for my own tinkering about as a hobby. The lovely S*Y is downstairs for the family.(basic 4 mix package).


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    Frank2k
    Closed Accounts Posts: 42 ✭Frank2k


    timmydel1 wrote: »
    Hi Frank2k,

    Yup, thats the way I am connected. I dont have any quality issues and the motor works grand apart from having to select the satellite that I have set on port 1 first to get it to move.This is why I chose 19E on port 1.
    My setup is a bit messy but I just use it in the spare room for my own tinkering about as a hobby. The lovely S*Y is downstairs for the family.(basic 4 mix package).

    Thanks for getting back to me. Highly appreciated... :)


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    #22
    downwiththatsor
    Registered Users Posts: 910 ✭✭✭downwiththatsor


    Hi all,

    In case anyone was interested i can confirm that the following works a treat with an Azbox Elite-

    Konig Diseqc swith in line before motor with

    1) Feed from motor to port 1 on switch, all sats (other than 28e) setup as diseqc port 1 and usals on.

    2) Feed from a fixed dish on 28e into port 2 on diseqc swith, 28e sat setup as diseqc lnb2 usals off.

    Dish does not move when 28e is selected and moves flawlessly between other sats when a channel is selected. Returning to a 28e channel is instant with the diseqc no waiting for motorised dish to move as not required with feed from fixed.

    Hope this help anyone.

    Regards


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