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20-10-2010, 19:10   #1
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Rust repair

Evening all..

Before posting this, I did look for something similar to see if this had already been asked so I apologise if I've repeated another post.

I have a 8 year old Ford KA which failed its NCT because of rust on the underbody. The chap at the Deansgrange centre said it'd be a case of small welding and a patch of metal could just be added. With this advice, I went to a body repair shop in Bray and a similar one in Sandyford. They both said that the job would be bigger than the car's worth. I'm not a car expert, and I'm sure they know what they're talking about but I'm just resistant to scrap the car just yet, knowing its age and milage (60,000 miles).

Could someone please advise me further on this? If it has to be scrapped, then so be it but if I could get this job done, i'd be very happy and would pay the going rate. Also, I must add, the car has been in my underground car park since the failure because my tax was up at the same time. So ideally, i'd be looking for someone who could pick it up.

Thanks in advance for any help.

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20-10-2010, 23:38   #2
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I would keep shopping around, especially if the NCT guy maintained that it wasn't a big fix. I suspect that the people you went to may have been trying to make a bit of a killing. Not being sexist here but are you female by any chance? keep watching boards and I'm sure you'll get some better feedback.

Good luck with it.
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20-10-2010, 23:50   #3
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Go to a mechanic, not a bodyshop
If they won't do it they may well recommend someone.
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21-10-2010, 08:58   #4
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Thanks for your replies

Yea I am female. I got the feeling that they were more interested in insurance jobs though because they didn't even quote me. Perhaps they were being honest and the job is too big but I just don't get why the NCT man said it was a small job. Would people turn down work?

Also, to add, this car was imported from the UK. Reading the forums, I can see that rust underneath is quite common with such imports.

I will perhaps call a couple more and failing that, I'll just keep the car til the VRT exemption period is up and then scrap it. :S

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22-10-2010, 18:50   #5
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Hey,
I would love to get help on this too.

I failed my NCT today for the exact same reason over in Ballymun, and the guy there said it would be a small job too. So it really does sound like the quotes you got were trying to rip you off. I haven't done any price checking yet but when I do I'll let you know of the best offers I get.

Oh, and my car (97 Almera) is a UK import too. And my brother had similar issues a few years ago with a bmw from UK. So it really does seem to be a problem. Maybe they dont check for underbody rust over there in their MOT's (their version of NCT).
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22-10-2010, 18:58   #6
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Of course they check in uk for structural rust. They use more salt on the roads over there so that is why they are worse than irish cars. It is possible that some of the rustier cars are being targeted at the export/irish market too!
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22-10-2010, 19:08   #7
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i had the very same thing at the nct center in arklow it failed on the under body sills being rusty so i filled them ect went back and they failed me again and said it would have to be plate/spot weilded ect i got a quote for €500 for both sills so said no way would i pay that so my brother had a look at it and said a fiber glass kit would do the job just as good so i paid €12.00 for a fiber glass kit my brother done it in half an hour primed it and sprayed the rest of the sills mat black and it sailed through the nct so my advice is use the fiber glass kit its so easy to do and alot cheaper then the rip off quotes we get,
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But you were only hiding the rust damage. The cills would be a structural part of the car and it relies on them having the full design strength. You covered up the weakness and got it past the tester. You still have a weakened structure and you should not be advising people to proceed in this way. The NCT people have no problem with fillers/fiberglass when used in a non structural location.

Imagine driving a converible car which only has the cills and floor for strength - no roof. Now imagine being in a crash in this convertible if the cills were made from rust and fiberglass, it woud fold it two.
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But you were only hiding the rust damage. The cills would be a structural part of the car and it relies on them having the full design strength. You covered up the weakness and got it past the tester. You still have a weakened structure and you should not be advising people to proceed in this way. The NCT people have no problem with fillers/fiberglass when used in a non structural location.

Imagine driving a converible car which only has the cills and floor for strength - no roof. Now imagine being in a crash in this convertible if the cills were made from rust and fiberglass, it woud fold it two.
Everything he said and it's about 100 quid you saved
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Sorry for bringing up this old subject again but think it's bout time I finally tackled the car I have sitting in my underground car park!

Ok, so I might have killed the car having it laid up for 5 months but would really like to either have this thing repaired or look at scrapping it in Jan when VRT exemption is up..

I just don't know where to start now cos obv it's not taxed, insurance is insufficient and obv no NCT! I know I've got myself into a little mess and appreciate that this is gonna be costly so have waited til I'm in a position to get this fixed.

Could any mechanic out there please help? Am I best just waiting to scrap it? I was advised that in it's current state i'd only get 500e, i'd far rather pay this again than pay for a car older than mine, with more milage and that I don't really like. Thnks
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15-12-2010, 20:41   #12
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Where are you located? I know some really good people for body stuff around Galway.
Don't scrap it until you've let at least a few guys look it over.

Edit, I realise you're over in the East.
There should be plenty of suggestions for that area.

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15-12-2010, 21:11   #13
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I'm in Cherrywood, South Dublin 18... It'd be great if I could have someone look at it... I just have no idea what to do..!! Thanks for replying anyways ...I'm completely useless at this sort of thing and would be so happy to finally be mobile once again..!!
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15-12-2010, 21:19   #14
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I have seen quite a few Ford Ka's with rust. Its not that common on cars these days.
Have seen a few late reg mercs with rust too.
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Unfortunately both Ka and Fiesta seem to be worse than average on resiliency for rust (probably not any worse than mid to late 90's Mercs though). I think heavy salting last winter probably pushed rust on many marginal cars over the edge.

Whereabout are the rusty bits on your Ka? They have a design feature (fault) where debris from front wheels very quickly wore paint of the bottom of the b-pillar (door aperture) due to it not being flush with the door. I would imagine that welding that part of the body would be really challenging as it is quite a visible spot.

Yeah, and shame on the fella who suggested fiberglassing a main structural component.

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