Baptismal Certs: Manditory or No?

robindch wrote: »

As donegalfella says, you'll find a baptismal certificate helpful when you're trying to get your kid into one of the schools controlled by the Vatican, and in this country around 92% of them are. Luckily, there are a few schools -- mostly around Dublin -- that admit kids based upon the order in which they applied (the "Educate Toschools), but the waiting list for all of them is quite long, so get your (future) kids name down early if you want a chance to get them in. If you apply to get into a school controlled by the Vatican, then the school board is legally permitted to allow the kids of more conformist people than you to skip past your position in the queue.

Outside of that, your birth certificate is the most important document you need and that's something that the government will give you, not the church. In general, anything the church provides you with has the same legal authority as a membership card for your local video shop.gether"

That said, if you bring your kid to hospital, you will be asked "what religion" he or she is. I don't understand what relevance this has to medical treatment and would be interested to hear any theories.

Ickle Magoo wrote: »

Schools paid for by tax payers money should have no right to cherry pick pupils, if they want to be snobbish or elite, they can ask the parents to fork out for full costs of their school. As long as schools are getting the majority of their funding from joe bloggs, then all the little joe bloggs jrs should have an equal chance of attending their local school.

St. Mary’s Primary School, Dungarvan
“PLEASE ATTACH (a) BIRTH CERT __ (b) BAPTISMAL CERT __. (It is imperative that these are given to the school)”
http://www.stmarysdungarvan.ie/index_files/Enrolment Form.PDF


Scoil Mochua, Celbridge
“An original birth certificate, baptismal certificate, child’s PPS no. and a recent utility bill (eg. ESB or landline telephone) are required with the application.”
http://www.scoilmochua.com/Parents/parents-enrolment.html

St Mary’s Primary School, Edenderry
“A Child should be enrolled by a parent or legal guardian. Enrolment for Junior Infants will take place in January over the period of a week. Parents will be required to present their child and the following documentation:
- Birth Certificate for legal purposes
- Baptismal Certificate for church purposes”
http://stmpse.com/documents/pdf/Enrolment Policy.pdf

Adamstown National School, Gorey
"If you have child starting school in Adamstown National School in September 2010, please call to the school for an enrolment form or phone to have one posted out to you. A Baptismal Certificate is required."
http://www.goreyguardian.ie/local-notes/adamstown-2089805.html

St Joseph's Primary School, Gorey
"If you intend enrolling your son in St Joseph's Primary School, Gorey for September 2008, application forms are now available from the school. We will also require your son's Baptismal Certificate and any relevant assessments and reports."
http://www.enniscorthyguardian.ie/news/se-road-club-1344948.html

Renmore, Galway
“A specific enrolment application form will be provided by the Board of Management and the following information will be sought:
· Pupil’s name, address, date of birth. . . .<SNIP>
· Religion and Baptismal Cert.”
http://www.renmoreschool.com/policies/enrolment.pdf

St. Anne’s Primary School, Navan.
“In allocating places priority is given to Roman Catholics.”
http://www.stannesnavan.ie/downloads/st anne's enrolment policy 2010.pdf

St Vincent’s Primary School, Glasnevin
“The criteria for deciding on acceptance or refusal of applications, where the number of applicants exceeds the number of places available, is set down below in an open, transparent and fair manner.
The Diocesan enrolment policy for primary schools is as follows;
1 Brothers of boys already enrolled in the school.
2 Catholic children of the parish including Catholic children of the Travelling Community resident in the parish.
3 Catholic children who do not have a Catholic school within their boundaries.
4 Any child who presents for a place.”
http://www.vincentsprimary.com/admissions__policy.html

Balscadden Primary School, Balbriggan
“Children will be offered a place in Junior Infants on the basis of priority following the admittance policy outlined below.
1. Those children who already have or had brothers or sisters in the school. Those children whose parent is a teacher in the school. {If the number of these children exceeds the number of places available then places will be allocated on the basis of age.
2. Those Catholic children who reside in Balscadden including Flemington, Flemington Park, Tubbersool, Tubbertown, Knocknagin - (combined). {If the number of these children exceeds the number of places available, then places will be allocated on the basis of age.}
3. Those Catholic children who reside in Ring Commons, Dermotstown, Delahasey, The Matt, Balrickard, Balgee, Knockbrack, Kitchenstown, East Curragh, Killougher, Hazardstown, Haystown, Whitestown, Reynoldstown, Balgaddy, Grangemount, Grougha Lane, Newtown -(combined). {If the number of these children exceeds the number of places available, then places will be allocated on the basis of age.}
4. Those children either of whose parents has formerly been a pupil at Balscadden Primary School. {If the number of these children exceeds the number of places available, then places will be allocated on the basis of age.}
5. Those Catholic children who reside in New Haven, Dún Saithne, Mount Rochford, Hamlet Close - (combined). {If the number of these children exceeds the number of places available, then places will be allocated on the basis of age.}
6. All children who live within the parish boundaries and are Catholic applying for a placement are entitled to a place if there are vacancies after the groups from (1) to (5) have been allocated places. {If the number of these children exceeds the number of places available, then places will be allocated on the basis of age.}
7. All children who live within the parish boundaries and are non Catholic applying for a placement are entitled to a place if there are vacancies after the groups from (1) to (6) have been allocated places. {If the number of these children exceeds the number of places available, then places will be allocated on the basis of age.}
http://balscadden.com/Enrolment.htm

St. Canice’s Boys School, Finglas
“The school caters for:
1. Brothers of boys in the school and brothers of girls in St Canice’s Girls’ School
2. Catholic boys of the parish including boys of the Travelling Community resident within the parish.
3. Catholic boys who live outside the parish and do not have a catholic school in their parish.
4. All children who live within the parish boundaries but are not Catholic applying for a place are entitled to a place if there are vacancies after the groups from (1) to (3) have been allocated places.”
http://www.stcanices.com/enrolment policy 11.03.09[1].pdf

Scoil Diarmada, Castledermot
“Our Enrolment policy is as follows:
Places will be offered to:
1. Catholic children of the Parish of Castledermot.
2. Catholic children who do not have a Catholic school in their own area.
3. Brothers and sisters of children in this school.
4. Children of staff members.
5. All children who live within the Parish boundaries but are not Catholic applying for a place are entitled to a place if there are vacancies after groups 1-4 have been allocated places.
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All applicants are to complete the application form and to submit it with a birth certificate and a baptismal certificate.”
http://diarmada.scoilnet.ie/blog/2010/03/16/enrolment-policy/

Lusk National School, Lusk Dublin
“Parents should supply an original Birth/Adoption, Baptismal Certificate and a copy of a household utility bill with their application form.
In the event of the number of children seeking enrolment in any given class/standard exceeding the number of places available the following criteria, in the order set out, will be used to prioritise children for enrolment:
1 Children, who were unsuccessful above in their application the previous year, will be given priority in accordance with (a-f) above. This will not apply to children who have started in another school.
2 Siblings (including step-siblings resident at the same address) who have reached the age of 5 years prior to the 1st March of the year of enrolment.
3 All other applicants living within the parish shall be considered according to age and to the Roman Catholic ethos of Lusk N.S.. - priority to the oldest within this group.
4. Children of current Lusk N.S. staff will be accepted in accordance with (a-f) in order to maintain the stability of the school environment.
All children who live within the parish boundaries but are not Roman Catholic applying for a placement are entitled to a place if there are vacancies after the groups from 1,2,3 and 4 have been allocated places.”
http://www.lusknationalschool.org/enrolment.html

Scoil Mhuire Fatima, Drogheda
“In the event of the number of children seeking enrolment in any given class/standard exceeding the number of places available preceding or during the school year (due to the Board of Management being unable to provide suitable accommodation, or recruit the required teaching staff) the following criteria will be used to prioritise children for enrolment:
i. Catholic children of the parish, including children of Travelling Community resident within parish.
ii. Sisters of children in the school.
iii. Catholic children who live outside the parish and do not have a Catholic school in their parish.
iv. All children who live within the parish boundaries but are not Catholic applying for a placement are entitled to a place if there are vacancies after the groups from (i) to (iii) have been allocated places.”
http://scoilfatima.ie/sites/home.html

St. Mary’s National School, Malin Head
“In the event of the number of children seeking enrolment in any given class exceeding the number of places available preceding or during the school year (due to the B.O.M. being unable to provide suitable accommodation, or recruit the required teaching staff), the following criteria will be used to prioritise children for enrolment:
brothers and sisters (including step-siblings, residents at the same address) of children already enrolled – priority to the oldest;
children from Catholic families;
children of inter-denominational marriages where one parent is Catholic;
children of current school staff, priority to the oldest;
children whose home address is closest the school, if the child is normally resident outside the parish/agreed catchment area”
http://malinheadns.com/enrolment.html


St. Patrick's Girls' National School, Foxrock
"In the event that applications for enrolment exceed available places, applicant children will be enrolled strictly in accordance with the following criteria and in the following order:
a. Catholic girls who are resident in the Parish of Our Lady of Perpetual Succour,
Foxrock.
b. Girls who have a sister at school in St. Patrick's Girls National School
c. Girls who have a brother in St. Patrick's Boys National School
d. Daughters of Staff of St. Patrick's Girls' National School

And the following on a 'First come, first served' basis:
e. Daughters of past pupils of the school
f. Other girls living within the parish boundary
g. Other girls living outside the parish boundary."
http://hollyparkgns.ie/Photos_StartingSchool/Hollypark GNS Enrolment Policy.pdf

St. Matthew’s National School, Sandymount Dublin
Children are admitted to the school under the following criteria:
1. All applicants for Junior Infants must have attained their 4th birthday by September 1st in the year of admission. Preference will be given to older children.
2. Children of Church of Ireland denomination.
3. Children of other Protestant denominations.
4. Brothers / sisters of existing or past pupils.
5. The remaining places are allocated at the discretion of the Board of Management, bearing in mind the requirements of the Education Act 1998 and other legal requirements Applications will not be considered without a copy of your child’s Birth Certificate and, in the case of those claiming priority on religious grounds, proof of religious denomination (eg. Baptismal Certificate).
http://www.stmatts.ie/documents/Application Form Web.pdf