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[Article] Road deaths at record low level

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  • 01-01-2010 4:57pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 78,308 ✭✭✭✭


    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0101/breaking24.htm
    Road deaths at record low level

    The number of deaths on Irish roads last year - at 240 - was the lowest on record.

    The figure was a reduction of 39 on 2008.

    The Road Safety Authority pledged it would continue fighting to change driver habits, improve safety and save lives.

    “There are 39 people alive and well today because road users made better choices in 2009," RSA chairman Gay Byrne said. “Choices not to speed, not to drive while tired and to wear a high visibility jacket when walking.

    “We truly have an emerging culture of road safety in Ireland. To those families who have lost loved ones I pledge that the Road Safety Authority will continue working to save lives so that others will never have to feel the pain and heartbreak you now cope with every day.”

    Of the 240 people who died last year, 40 were pedestrians, seven were cyclists, 128 were drivers, 38 were passengers and 27 were bikers.

    Some 40 per cent of those who died were aged under 25.

    Almost half of all road deaths happened at the weekend, and Sunday was the most dangerous day of the week, with 51 deaths.

    Since records began in 1959, 22,682 people have been killed on Irish roads.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭Chris_533976


    Victor wrote: »
    “There are 39 people alive and well today because road users made better choices in 2009," RSA chairman Gay Byrne said. “Choices not to speed, not to drive while tired and to wear a high visibility jacket when walking.

    Absolute crap. As we all know its because a rake of horribly dangerous primary routes have been rebuilt as motorway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,978 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Exactly but somehow praising the virtues of a road building programme is always overlooked.


  • Registered Users Posts: 78,308 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Absolute crap. As we all know its because a rake of horribly dangerous primary routes have been rebuilt as motorway.
    Has that much road actually opened in the last year?

    There is a mix of factors - less driving due to the recession, fewer people in a rush, cumulative effective of the boom removing bangers and low-NCAP cars, Traffic Corps expansion and them actually doing their job, RSA, drink-drivers actually behaving themselves, recreational drugs less affordable and a move towards home instead of pub drinking.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,923 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Victor wrote: »
    Has that much road actually opened in the last year?

    There is a mix of factors - less driving due to the recession, fewer people in a rush, cumulative effective of the boom removing bangers and low-NCAP cars, Traffic Corps expansion and them actually doing their job, RSA, drink-drivers actually behaving themselves, recreational drugs less affordable and a move towards home instead of pub drinking.

    Nenagh BP as motorway, Dunboyne BP, Tullamore BP, two sections of M6, one section of M9, one section of M8.... yes is the answer. Must be ~150KM, some of it removing traffic from very poor roads.


  • Registered Users Posts: 78,308 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    MYOB wrote: »
    Must be ~150KM
    Out of 100,000km?

    By that reckoning building 1,000km of road should stop all road deaths.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Also the reduction of the number of foreign nationals residing in Ireland could attribute to the decline in fatalities.

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/quarter-of-deaths-on-our-roads-are-foreign-nationals-129111.html


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,923 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Victor wrote: »
    Out of 100,000km?

    By that reckoning building 1,000km of road should stop all road deaths.

    Most road deaths happen on busier roads.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,057 ✭✭✭Tragedy


    Victor wrote: »
    Out of 100,000km?

    By that reckoning building 1,000km of road should stop all road deaths.
    I suppose accident blackspots don't exist in your stastical world?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,542 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Victor wrote: »
    Out of 100,000km?

    By that reckoning building 1,000km of road should stop all road deaths.

    Motorways and bypasses of the major towns/arterial routes are FAR FAR FAR more effective at reducing deaths than any crap Noel Brett/Gay Byrne have to say.

    Windy boreens on major routes are what causes head-on collisions.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,630 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    It's a combination of vastly better roads and better driving brought about by greater policing. Which factor is the more important in reducing road deaths is the question.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,057 ✭✭✭Tragedy


    I honestly don't see the greater policing.

    As is shown again and again, the minority of accidents are caused by speeding - and the only increased visible presence I've seen from Gardai is in relation to speeding.

    Likewise RSA ads, speed kills, drink kills, but bad driving doesnt. Ever.


  • Registered Users Posts: 78,308 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Motorways and bypasses of the major towns/arterial routes are FAR FAR FAR more effective at reducing deaths than any crap Noel Brett/Gay Byrne have to say.

    Windy boreens on major routes are what causes head-on collisions.
    But the RSA hasn't spent anything near €16bn that the NRA has, so the RSA is more effective.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,923 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Victor wrote: »
    But the RSA hasn't spent anything near €16bn that the NRA has, so the RSA is more effective.

    How do we know how many deaths the RSA has prevented? The NRAs ones are easy to calculate - compare the deaths on the old N1, old N2, old N8, etc, etc before and after.

    Its also impossible to calculcate how many the NCT (yes I know this is operated under contract from the RSA) have been responsible for; although I'd guess this could be estimated by the rise in serious injuries vs. the fall in deaths. What was once a fatal crash in a newer car is more likely to injure than kill.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,057 ✭✭✭Tragedy


    Victor wrote: »
    But the RSA hasn't spent anything near €16bn that the NRA has, so the RSA is more effective.
    Based on what evidence or statistics?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭galwaycyclist


    Hi

    Last February, Cyclist.ie sent a letter on this issue to the Depts of Justice and Transport following attempts by the Garda commissioner to claim credit for the fall in road deaths. I won't append the whole document just the relevant sections.

    Later


    <begin quoted passage>

    The effect of fuel price on traffic accidents

    In the US, researchers have compared the average prices of gasoline with the number of fatal traffic accidents between 1985 to 2006. They found that for each 10% increase in gas prices, fatal traffic accidents declined 2.3%. They also found that the level of fatalities decreased by over twice as much (by 6%) in the younger range of drivers who tend to drive more recklessly. Based on this observed effect of fuel prices, it was being predicted that for 2008 the US would experience the lowest traffic fatalities since 1961. The Associated Press quotes a director of the US National Safety council as stating "When the economy is in the tank and fuel prices are high, you typically see a decline in miles driven and traffic deaths". In the US, the chief
    executive of Mothers Against Drunk Driving has also credited high gas prices with helping to curb drunk driving.

    Between July 2007 and July 2008, Irish petrol prices increased by 13% percent from 117.8c to 133.5c. Diesel prices went up by 32% in the same period from 109c to 143.8c. This was against a background of fuel prices that have been rising since 2004. Given the trend seen elsewhere, it is reasonable to ask if this was something that would also be likely influence Irish driver behaviour?

    Reduced economic activity

    The recent drop in fuel prices might have been expected to reverse any associated downward trends in road deaths. However, Ireland has now moved into a pronounced economic downturn. In road safety research, it is a long established observation that road deaths tend to track indicators of economic activity such as employment rates. Time series studies in the following countries are reported to have found a correlation between upward and downward trends employment rates and similar trends in road deaths: the U.S. (1948-1987), Sweden (1962-1987), West Germany (1960-1983),
    Finland (1965-1983), Canada (1960-1986), United Kingdom (1960-1985),
    Netherlands (1968-1986), Switzerland (1967-1994). Experts on traffic safety and driver behaviour such as Prof. Gerald Wilde of Queen's University, Kingston, Ontario and Prof. Rudiger Trimpop of the German University
    of Jena have proposed that this effect is due to an increase in the relative costs of crashes. When money is scarce, even a small accident can be a financial burden because costs of insurance repairs etc have risen relative to real income. Simultaneously the benefits expected from risky behaviour are reduced, because time is worth less money. There is less to be gained from behaviours like driving fast, driving through a red or amber light or breaking the rules in other ways.

    In Ireland, the Live Register reportedly saw the biggest 12-month increase since records began in 1967 with an unadjusted increase of 120,987 or 71% in the year to December 2008. Again given the trends seen in other countries, it is reasonable to ask if this was something that would also be expected to affect Irish driver behaviour?

    <end quoted passage>


  • Registered Users Posts: 78,308 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0104/breaking29.htm
    Annual increase in NI road deaths

    The number of people killed on Northern Ireland’s roads increased to 115 last year from 107 in 2008, records show.

    The number of deaths in 2008 was the lowest on record following a steady decline during the last decade.

    Young men are still much more likely to die, with those aged between 17 and 24 making up 38 per cent of fatalities. However the number of child deaths has fallen from seven in 2008 to four in 2009.

    Environment Minister Edwin Poots said the figure was disheartening.

    “The tragedy is that 115 people just like you and me were going about their normal business, presumably with hope, ambition and enthusiasm for the New Year ahead. But they didn’t get the chance to fulfil their ambitions," he said.

    “The death of each one is tragic and will have brought enormous suffering to their families and friends.”

    There were 240 road deaths in the Republic last year, the lowest number on record. The figure was a reduction of 39 on 2008. Last year’s figures were almost 100 down on 2007 when 338 people were killed in crashes. The Republic now ranks sixth in Europe in terms of road safety by the European Transport Safety Council, up from 22nd just three years ago.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,057 ✭✭✭Tragedy


    Victor, why haven't you backed up any of your assertions in this thread about the RSA and road death decreases?


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,813 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    an interesting statistic would be number of fatalities on National Primary routes compared with 10 years ago. I have to agree that the improvement in the roads over the last number of years must be a major factor in the reduction in fatalities.

    We still hear of a lot of single-vehicle late-night accidents (speeding and drinking) but a lot fewer head-on collisions on main roads (dangerous overtaking), but that's just my impression from media reports.

    Random breath-testing may have reduced incidence of drink-driving, but I suspect in a lot of areas hardened drink-drivers know where the tests are going to be and how to avoid them. Overall garda enforcement of rules of the road remains pretty poor IMO.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,300 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    One thing that rarely gets mentioned in these discussions is the fitment of seatbelt buzzers to cars. This is a recent thing for most car manufacturers in the last few years. Historically the Irish have been bad at wearing seatbelts so these "annoying" buzzers may have had more of an effect on behaviour than in other, more law abiding countries. My father has been driving for over 60 years and never wore his seatbelt on a short journey - he would fumble around putting it on if he saw a a Garda. This didn't change until he bought a car with a seatbelt buzzer in 2005.

    From looking at crashes I see far fewer head shaped holes in windscreens these days. However seatbelt wearing in rear seats still seems to be bad. Generally there are no buzzers in the rear seats. There have been a number of crashes in recent years where individauls sitting in back seats have died while driver and front seat passengers survived - a fairly sure sign that seatbelts wern't being worn in the back.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,813 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    BrianD3 wrote: »
    However seatbelt wearing in rear seats still seems to be bad. Generally there are no buzzers in the rear seats.

    the car would have to have a way of knowing that there was someone in the seat, even then it would have to be able to distinguish between a person and (say) a bag of groceries. Only really practical to have the warning buzzers on the drivers seat.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭Zoney


    loyatemu:
    Not necessarily a problem - unsecured luggage on the back seat can be a serious hazard in the event of a crash. People could just take two seconds to open the boot instead - much safer.


  • Registered Users Posts: 78,308 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Tragedy wrote: »
    Victor, why haven't you backed up any of your assertions in this thread about the RSA and road death decreases?
    Because I've had a bang on the head and spent most of the last 10 days in bed?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭Chris_533976


    Mobile phone use when driving is still rampant, even with thick ice on the ground.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,057 ✭✭✭Tragedy


    Victor wrote: »
    Because I've had a bang on the head and spent most of the last 10 days in bed?
    Sorry to hear that, however you were posting about road deaths on Motors since, and another post on this thread quoting an article - hence the question.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    loyatemu wrote: »
    the car would have to have a way of knowing that there was someone in the seat, even then it would have to be able to distinguish between a person and (say) a bag of groceries. Only really practical to have the warning buzzers on the drivers seat.
    Most cars have buzzers on drivers and front passegers seats these days its two handy ncap points. You're going to have a wiring harness there for the seatbelt pretensioners and probably for the airbag system too, so a cheap weight sensor isn't a big deal.

    the aussie version of my car has sensors in the rear seats too. maybe the aussie ncap gives points for this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,221 ✭✭✭BrianD


    Tragedy wrote: »
    Victor, why haven't you backed up any of your assertions in this thread about the RSA and road death decreases?

    Probably because common sense would tell you it's correct and nobody else has backed up there assertions either.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,057 ✭✭✭Tragedy


    BrianD wrote: »
    Probably because common sense would tell you it's correct and nobody else has backed up there assertions either.
    That's post of the year so far.

    Common sense tells me it isn't true, based on what RSA actually do.
    Disagree? Tough luck, it's common sense.

    Kudos, you're a credit.

    It was the Indepedent yesterday that the number of drivers caught with illegal drugs in their system is up 22%(I think it was 22?) in 2009 vs 2008. Clearly, this shows the RSA is actually make the roads LESS safe with their advertisement campaign about using drugs while driving being dangerous actually leading to an increase in it happening. Clearly? Great post :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,130 ✭✭✭rameire


    March 'safest month ever' on Irish roads

    The Department of Transport said there were 11 fatalities during the month, bringing the total number of road deaths this year to 40, down 17 on this time last year.

    Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/march-safest-month-ever-on-irish-roads-452321.html#ixzz0jrWOoRWg


    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/march-safest-month-ever-on-irish-roads-452321.html

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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,845 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    if the trend continues you would be looking at 160 road deaths for all of 2010. One factor which would have probably resulted in a few less deaths is the country shutting down due to weather in early January.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,388 ✭✭✭gbee


    Personally I hate when they do this type of 'promotion' like every time the guards mount a safety 'operation lifesaver' there is suddenly a slue of fatal accidents, like as if fate is just spiting them.

    Lowest ever is sure to be followed by a massive period of carnage ....


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