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Who funds Libertas?

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  • 09-06-2008 11:59am
    #1
    bibbly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 63 ✭✭


    I am amazed at the publics acceptance of the reasons given by the Anti-Lisbon Libertas organisation. Most of these have been proven to be red herrings by the indepentent Referendum Commission.

    As for its mysterious Chairman Declan Ganley What is his real objective?I think following the word of this unelected and non-transparent organisation, is maddness...

    Where did they recieve their funding? (money from the US??) Why should anyone trust this organisation..

    I trust the vast majority of our elected officials together with IBEC and the ICTU, instead of some obscure millionaire with a hidden agenda..

    I am voting Yes!


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    #2
    GhostInTheRuins
    Registered Users Posts: 5,962 ✭✭✭GhostInTheRuins


    According to Declan Ganley himself, libertas is entirely funded by people and organisations within Ireland. Don't know how true that it though.

    He's claims he's Irish too by the way


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    hardCopy
    Registered Users Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭hardCopy


    There's a lot of banner ads popping up on boards for Libertas now as well.


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    #4
    Stimulant
    Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭Stimulant


    Ganley is currently chairman and CEO of Rivada Networks[1], a US defence contractor specializing in military telecom systems. In the past, he has been involved in business ventures selling Russian aluminium and in the Latvian forestry sector, where he was made a foreign affairs adviser after it gained independence in 1991.[2] Back in Ireland, Ganley had owned the high-profile jewellery website, Adornis.com, which collapsed after the downturn in the technology sector. A 2006 interview in CNBC’s European Business magazine suggested Ganley had a personal worth of €300 million.[2]


    Just consider that fact when looking at Libertas information along with the information provided by our ACTUAL politicans who WE have elected.


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    ixtlan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭ixtlan


    Indeed. I think it's likely to be unfair to Declan Ganley and Ulick McEvaddy to suggest that they are in cahoots with the US military industrial complex in opposing the treaty. I think it most likely that they really do feel they are taking the right approach and they are willing to put their money behind that.

    However, you cannot help but be influenced by your environment, your work, your ambitions. If he were promoting Ireland joining NATO we would certainly suggest he was biased, not because he was necessarily being manipulated, but just because of the line of work he is in.

    So, when you have these people lining up with Coir, and Joe Higgins* and Patricia McKenna*, one must pause and reflect on whether the treaty is balanced pretty much in the middle of the road, which I think it is. Look at it this way, could we put all the no side in a room and expect to get a coherent strategy document on where the EU would go if there was a no vote?

    * People I respect for their honesty and integrity, but whom I would rather not have running the country or the EU.

    Ix.


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    DeVore
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    The most convincing reason I can think of for voting Yes is the collective group of people seeking a No vote. They consist of just about every group I cannot abide in this appaling excuse for a democracy. All they need is SPUC and Youth Defence.... (and probably they do!).

    I probably wont vote (because I dont like being on the electoral role for paranoia reasons) but I'm definitely leaning towards No, if it werent for the company I'd be keeping. :)

    DeV.


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    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,793 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    DeVore wrote: »
    ...I'm definitely leaning towards No...
    I'm curious: why?


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    hardCopy
    Registered Users Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭hardCopy


    DeVore wrote: »
    The most convincing reason I can think of for voting Yes is the collective group of people seeking a No vote. They consist of just about every group I cannot abide in this appaling excuse for a democracy. All they need is SPUC and Youth Defence.... (and probably they do!).

    I probably wont vote (because I dont like being on the electoral role for paranoia reasons) but I'm definitely leaning towards No, if it werent for the company I'd be keeping. :)

    DeV.

    According to this article In the Sunday Business Post, Coir are in some way linked with Youth Defence


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    The_Minister
    Registered Users Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    DeVore wrote: »
    All they need is SPUC and Youth Defence.... (and probably they do!).
    They are there all right, but they call themselves Coir.


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    LostinBlanch
    Registered Users Posts: 2,908 ✭✭✭LostinBlanch


    Well I find it a bit rich for FF to come out and argue about funding for elections!

    AFAIK Libertas are complying with election funding guidelines / laws that FF had ratified. A case of the biter bit methinks. IF they don't like the funding regulations then they should change them, I doubt that would happen though.

    Mind you I would be very disappointed to find out that any party in this referendum was getting funding from outside the state.


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    PH01
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    hardCopy wrote: »
    According to this article In the Sunday Business Post, Coir are in some way linked with Youth Defence

    Is Youth Defence ageist? ;-)

    On Ganley, he certainly is a man of mystery? Apparently (Irish Times) he's millionaire with many many failed businesses.
    And god knows what Libertas's intentions are campaigning against the Lisbon Treaty? Is it to damage the EU, in favour of US power?
    Who knows? Though surely they're noting doing this for the good of the Irish people?


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    mike65
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    many failed businesses

    Serial entrepreneur is the polite description.

    Ganley has just stated he has no intention of standing for office, which had been speculated on a few sites. Some reckoned Libertas could carve out a niche.

    Mike.


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    murphaph
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    DeVore wrote: »
    The most convincing reason I can think of for voting Yes is the collective group of people seeking a No vote. They consist of just about every group I cannot abide in this appaling excuse for a democracy. All they need is SPUC and Youth Defence.... (and probably they do!).

    I probably wont vote (because I dont like being on the electoral role for paranoia reasons) but I'm definitely leaning towards No, if it werent for the company I'd be keeping. :)

    DeV.
    I will vote NO but I entirely agree with your sentiments. I cannot abide SPUC etc. nor am I convinced Libertas are on the level.....I am voting NO in spite of these groups, not because of them.

    However, if we are questioning Libertas' funding then remember where the main YES advocator gets (got) some of its' filthy lucre...

    Any chance of a bit of rezoning boss? :D


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    #14
    Gekko
    Registered Users Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭Gekko


    thought I'd revive this thread as I've been doing a bit of research.

    Ganley was also an adviser to the Russian government at one stage or one of its regional governments.

    Russia has a vested interest in Lisbon not being ratified because under the treaty the EU might pool all their energy supplies and get less gas - not sure about oil - from Russia.

    Could be barking up the wrong tree but that's my theory for the moment.

    I read something a while back about Russian money from suspicious sources being channelled through the IFSC. I would have to look up the source though as I stumbled across it while looking for something else and didn't note the website.


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    Irlbo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 347 ✭✭Irlbo


    Im always infuriated to think that this 'organisation' is the biggest representing the No side,its a private group whose origins and motives are unknown(most likely big business or commercialised unions) and its run by an Englishman who has no past in politics or any motive to be against it,its like the freemasons


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    #16
    Sherifu
    Registered Users Posts: 17,727 ✭✭✭✭Sherifu


    Prime Time's piece on him was interesting. He's led an eventful life.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1127/primetime.html

    That reminds me to go back and watch the rest of it. :)


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    studiorat
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    Ganley admitted to loaning €200,000 of his own money to Libertas after reports had surfaced that his company Rivada has contracts with the US military worth hundreds of millions of euro.

    Under campaign finance laws, loans which are not subject to normal commercial terms -- involving interest, a repayment schedule and a formal agreement -- can be classed as donations.


    Much discussion and information regarding Ganley.

    http://machinenation.forumakers.com/the-open-europe-forum-f30/libertas-a-pan-european-project-t1597-0.htm

    And my particular favourite, "Ganley and the Mad Mullahs!"

    http://machinenation.forumakers.com/party-manifestos-what-is-your-party-upto-at-present-f24/ganley-and-the-mad-mullahs-t1776.htm

    I seriously doubt Ganley has as much money as he lets on...

    Blog below. "Declan Ganley and Albaina: Transparency or Just the same old Elites"
    http://peoplekorps.blogspot.com/
    The shares of 45 thousand share holders of the financial concern Anglo Adriatika where "played with" on international stock exchanges by the directors of the foundation. This is according to official sources of the "Ganley Group" who explain that the company succeeded to gather 45 thousand share holders through the Anglo Adriatika foundation in Albania


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