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Tabula Rasa connecton problems (tracert incl)

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  • 03-12-2007 4:38pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27


    I am having trouble connecting to the tabula rasa servers. I get stuck on a 'Sending Server Request' message after logging into the game. I've managed to get into the game once and play for 20 minutes before being disconnected. So I ran the plaync network tool and it ran a trace...
    Route for Eu/Europe (206.127.147.196)
    
    Tracing route to 206-127-147-196.plaync.com [206.127.147.196] over a maximum of 30 hops:
      0  mycomputer [192.168.0.136] 
      1  192.168.0.1 
      2  10.94.128.1 
      3  089-101-162193.ntlworld.ie [89.101.162.193] 
      4  213.46.165.53 
      5  nl-ams-rc-01-pos-0-1.chellonetwork.com [213.46.160.13] 
      6  213.46.183.186 
      7  ge-3-1-7.ams11.ip.tiscali.net [213.200.75.57] 
      8  so-2-1-0.fra10.ip.tiscali.net [213.200.82.86] 
      9     *        *        *     
    
    Computing statistics for 22 seconds...
                Source to Here   This Node/Link
    Hop  RTT    Lost/Sent = Pct  Lost/Sent = Pct  Address
    
      0                                           mycomputer [192.168.0.136] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      1    1ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  192.168.0.1 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      2  ---      10/  10 =100%    10/  10 =100%  10.94.128.1 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      3   17ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  089-101-162193.ntlworld.ie [89.101.162.193] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      4   14ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  213.46.165.53 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      5   48ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  nl-ams-rc-01-pos-0-1.chellonetwork.com [213.46.160.13] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      6   48ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  213.46.183.186 
                                   10/  10 =100%   |
      7  ---      10/  10 =100%     0/  10 =  0%  ge-3-1-7.ams11.ip.tiscali.net [213.200.75.57] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      8  ---      10/  10 =100%     0/  10 =  0%  so-2-1-0.fra10.ip.tiscali.net [213.200.82.86] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      9  ---      10/  10 =100%     0/  10 =  0%  mycomputer [0.0.0.0] 
    
    Trace complete.
    ############### Ended: Path Ping/Trace Route Tests
    

    Any ides what's up with that packet loss? :s and is that my problem?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24 K84


    Hi there,

    Getting exactly the same problem - noticed we're both on NTL Ireland and it drops in Tiscali somewhere. I've read on other boards that currently Tiscali and Pipex are dropping connections to games in peak times - no idea why.
    Windows IP Configuration
     
            Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : andrewmachine
            Primary Dns Suffix  . . . . . . . : 
            Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
            IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
            WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
     
    Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
     
            Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . : 
            Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcom NetXtreme Gigabit Ethernet
            Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0C-6E-01-EC-F6
            Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
            Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
            IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.101
            Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
            Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
            DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
            DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 89.101.160.4
                                                89.101.160.5
            Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 04 December 2007 13:06:07
            Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 05 December 2007 13:06:07
     
    ############### Ended: Local IP Config
     
    ############### Beginning: IP check
     WAN IP: 89.100.90.XXX
    ############### Ended: end check
     
    ############### Beginning: NSLookups
     IP Address Information: [URL="http://www.playtr.com"]www.playtr.com[/URL]
      206.127.153.153
     IP Address Information: boards.playtr.com
      206.127.153.168
     IP Address Information: tabularasa.patcher.ncsoft.com
      206.127.148.73
     
    ############### Ended: NSLookups
     
    ############### Beginning:  Updaters & Login Port Tests.
     Check: Login Server Check (216.107.248.131) --> successful
    ############### Ended: Port Tests
     
    ############### Beginning: Path Ping/ Trace Route Tests
    Route for US/North America (216.107.244.7)
     
    Tracing route to 216.107.244-7.plaync.com [216.107.244.7]
    over a maximum of 30 hops:
      0  andrewmachine [192.168.1.101] 
      1  192.168.1.1 
      2  10.91.128.1 
      3  089-101-162049.ntlworld.ie [89.101.162.49] 
      4  213.46.165.53 
      5  nl-ams-rc-01-pos-0-1.chellonetwork.com [213.46.160.13] 
      6  213.46.183.186 
      7  fr3.ams.llnw.net [195.69.145.133] 
      8  tge5-1.fr4.lga.llnw.net [69.28.171.86] 
      9  ve2002.fr3.lga.llnw.net [69.28.171.201] 
     10  tge1-2.fr4.ord.llnw.net [69.28.171.193] 
     11  ve6.fr3.ord.llnw.net [69.28.172.41] 
     12  tge1-3.fr4.sjc.llnw.net [69.28.171.66] 
     13  ve5.fr3.sjc.llnw.net [69.28.171.209] 
     14  tge1-1.fr4.lax.llnw.net [69.28.171.117] 
     15  ve6.fr3.lax.llnw.net [69.28.171.205] 
     16     *        *        *     
    Computing statistics for 40 seconds...
                Source to Here   This Node/Link
    Hop  RTT    Lost/Sent = Pct  Lost/Sent = Pct  Address
      0                                           andrewmachine [192.168.1.101] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      1    0ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  192.168.1.1 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      2  ---      10/  10 =100%    10/  10 =100%  10.91.128.1 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      3   10ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  089-101-162049.ntlworld.ie [89.101.162.49] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      4    7ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  213.46.165.53 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      5   46ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  nl-ams-rc-01-pos-0-1.chellonetwork.com [213.46.160.13] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      6   42ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  213.46.183.186 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      7  ---      10/  10 =100%    10/  10 =100%  fr3.ams.llnw.net [195.69.145.133] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      8  109ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  tge5-1.fr4.lga.llnw.net [69.28.171.86] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      9  118ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  ve2002.fr3.lga.llnw.net [69.28.171.201] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
     10  137ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  tge1-2.fr4.ord.llnw.net [69.28.171.193] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
     11  139ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  ve6.fr3.ord.llnw.net [69.28.172.41] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
     12  187ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  tge1-3.fr4.sjc.llnw.net [69.28.171.66] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
     13  169ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  ve5.fr3.sjc.llnw.net [69.28.171.209] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
     14  170ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  tge1-1.fr4.lax.llnw.net [69.28.171.117] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
     15  179ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  ve6.fr3.lax.llnw.net [69.28.171.205] 
                                   10/  10 =100%   |
     16  ---      10/  10 =100%     0/  10 =  0%  andrewmachine [0.0.0.0] 
     
    Trace complete.
     
    Route for Eu/Europe (206.127.147.196)
     
    Tracing route to 206-127-147-196.plaync.com [206.127.147.196]
    over a maximum of 30 hops:
      0  andrewmachine [192.168.1.101] 
      1  192.168.1.1 
      2  10.91.128.1 
      3  089-101-162049.ntlworld.ie [89.101.162.49] 
      4  dbln-t2core-b-ge-2-2-0-0.aorta.net [213.46.165.17] 
      5  nl-ams-rc-01-pos-0-1.chellonetwork.com [213.46.160.13] 
      6  213.46.183.186 
      7  ge-3-1-7.ams11.ip.tiscali.net [213.200.75.57] 
      8  so-2-1-0.fra10.ip.tiscali.net [213.200.82.86] 
      9     *        *        *     
    Computing statistics for 22 seconds...
                Source to Here   This Node/Link
    Hop  RTT    Lost/Sent = Pct  Lost/Sent = Pct  Address
      0                                           andrewmachine [192.168.1.101] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      1    0ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  192.168.1.1 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      2  ---      10/  10 =100%    10/  10 =100%  10.91.128.1 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      3    9ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  089-101-162049.ntlworld.ie [89.101.162.49] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      4   10ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  dbln-t2core-b-ge-2-2-0-0.aorta.net [213.46.165.17] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      5   37ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  nl-ams-rc-01-pos-0-1.chellonetwork.com [213.46.160.13] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      6   40ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  213.46.183.186 
                                   10/  10 =100%   |
      7  ---      10/  10 =100%     0/  10 =  0%  ge-3-1-7.ams11.ip.tiscali.net [213.200.75.57] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      8  ---      10/  10 =100%     0/  10 =  0%  so-2-1-0.fra10.ip.tiscali.net [213.200.82.86] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      9  ---      10/  10 =100%     0/  10 =  0%  andrewmachine [0.0.0.0] 
     
    Trace complete.
     
    ############### Ended: Path Ping/Trace Route Tests
    


  • Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭nin2010


    Do you normally have problems getting high speeds with torrents? I was reading about people who had similar problem to yours because there ISP is throttling the speed when it recognises traffic as torrents. For some reason it appears these ISPs are recognising TR as bittorrent and throttling the connection.

    It might not be related to your issue at all though...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24 K84


    It's just TR that's giving me problems - everything else is fine


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27 DaZulu


    Ye my torrents seem to be a bit slow of late. I can get onto Guild Wars, Dungeon Runners, WoW and CSS without any problems though. Maybe they just arent misinterpreted as torrents like TR seems to be.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27 DaZulu


    Here's the email I got back from PlayNC Support...
    Hello,

    We currently receive a lot of report from customers with ISP connections of the Chello familiy (Chello, UPC, Telesystems), also especially from Ireland.
    The problem seems related to a routing issue of the ISP or other involved carriers. Unfortunately there is nothing we can do about this in particular. Most of such issues are temporary, but if your problem persists, please contact your provider about this issue.

    Thank you for your understanding in this matter.

    Kind regards,
    NCsoft Europe Customer Support Team
    http://eu.plaync.com

    Trying to get in contact with NTL/UPC... no luck yet lol. Typical.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24 K84


    I'm on the line to NTL now I'll found out what they say :mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27 DaZulu


    cool


  • Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭nin2010


    Here's a link to the forum post I found. By the way, I'm on eircom adsl and have no problems with TR.

    http://www.mpog.com/discussion2.cfm?POST=1721849&bhcp=1#1721849


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24 K84


    You got MSN daz? add me if you have,


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27 DaZulu


    i do have it. Don't know your address though. PM'd mine.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24 K84


    Ok I added you Daz :)

    I finally spoke to someone from Tech Support this morning at 11:45am and I passed them on my tracer and they are going to get back to me by 1pm. He said it was the game, and I said the game makers are saying it's the provider! So I'm waiting to hear back.

    Shocking customer service last night, I called at 5:55pm, was on hold for over 40 minutes being bounced back and forward between Customer Services and Tech Support and they finally took my number to call me back.

    At 9:15pm I called back as I had not heard anything, and I get exactly the same treatment. I call at 21:59 as they close at 22:00 and I got half way through the menus and they said they closed! Shocking!

    And this morning I called and they knew nothing about having to call me back and my call was answered within 1 ring - no hold at all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24 K84


    I also asked about the torrent throttling, the guy on techsupport insisted that they do not throttle torrents as they have no control over what we do with the connection (yeah right!).

    He didn't have any answers when I suggested it was the tiscali backbone causing the problems ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27 DaZulu


    K84 wrote: »
    insisted that they do not throttle torrents

    hah :)

    I gave up after 25minutes on hold.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24 K84


    Hello again,

    This has been sent off to be checked into in Amsterdam. An issue has been identified with routing between here and amsterdam (UPC main aorta). However an engineer reckons this has been resolved. If you could try another tracert and send the results on to me that would greatly appreciated and most useful.

    Regards,

    John B.

    Although I still cannot connect to TR. My TR ticket has now been elevated to 'Technical Support' - god only knows where it was before :mad:
    Response (GM Raoul) 12/07/2007 02:18 PM
    Hello Andrew,

    Thank you for contacting PlayNC Customer Support. We are forwarding your ticket to our Technical Support team, who should be able to assist you with your query. A Technical representative with be in touch with you as soon as possible. However, please bear in mind that the Technical Support team is not available on weekends.

    Thank you for your patience and cooperation.

    Kind regards,
    GM Raoul
    PlayNC Customer Support Team
    http://plaync.com

    As above


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24 K84


    And my new Tracert:
     
    Windows IP Configuration
     
            Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : andrewmachine
            Primary Dns Suffix  . . . . . . . : 
            Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
            IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
            WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
     
    Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
     
            Connection-specific DNS Suffix  . : 
            Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcom NetXtreme Gigabit Ethernet
            Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0C-6E-01-EC-F6
            Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
            Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
            IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.100
            Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
            Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
            DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
            DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 89.101.160.4
                                                89.101.160.5
            Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : 08 December 2007 00:17:42
            Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : 09 December 2007 00:17:42
    
    ############### Ended: Local IP Config
     
    ############### Beginning: IP check
     WAN IP: 89.100.XXX.XXX
    ############### Ended: end check
     
    ############### Beginning: NSLookups
     IP Address Information: [URL="http://www.playtr.com"]www.playtr.com[/URL]
      206.127.153.153
     IP Address Information: boards.playtr.com
      206.127.153.168
     IP Address Information: tabularasa.patcher.ncsoft.com
      206.127.148.73
    
    ############### Ended: NSLookups
     
    ############### Beginning:  Updaters & Login Port Tests.
     Check: Login Server Check (216.107.248.131) --> successful
    ############### Ended: Port Tests
     
    ############### Beginning: Path Ping/ Trace Route Tests
    Route for US/North America (216.107.244.7)
    
    Tracing route to 216.107.244-7.plaync.com [216.107.244.7]
    over a maximum of 30 hops:
      0  andrewmachine [192.168.1.100] 
      1  192.168.1.1 
      2  10.91.128.1 
      3  089-101-162017.ntlworld.ie [89.101.162.17] 
      4  dbln-t2core-a-ge-2-2-0-0.aorta.net [213.46.165.9] 
      5  nl-ams-rc-02-pos-2-0.chellonetwork.com [213.46.160.17] 
      6  213.46.174.78 
      7  tge2-3.fr4.lon.llnw.net [195.66.226.133] 
      8  ve5.fr3.lon.llnw.net [69.28.171.137] 
      9  tge7-2.fr3.lga.llnw.net [69.28.171.125] 
     10  tge1-2.fr4.ord.llnw.net [69.28.171.193] 
     11  ve6.fr3.ord.llnw.net [69.28.172.41] 
     12  tge1-3.fr4.sjc.llnw.net [69.28.171.66] 
     13  ve5.fr3.sjc.llnw.net [69.28.171.209] 
     14  tge1-1.fr4.lax.llnw.net [69.28.171.117] 
     15  ve6.fr3.lax.llnw.net [69.28.171.205] 
     16     *        *        *     
    Computing statistics for 40 seconds...
                Source to Here   This Node/Link
    Hop  RTT    Lost/Sent = Pct  Lost/Sent = Pct  Address
      0                                           andrewmachine [192.168.1.100] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      1    0ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  192.168.1.1 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      2  ---      10/  10 =100%    10/  10 =100%  10.91.128.1 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      3    9ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  089-101-162017.ntlworld.ie [89.101.162.17] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      4    9ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  dbln-t2core-a-ge-2-2-0-0.aorta.net [213.46.165.9] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      5   19ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  nl-ams-rc-02-pos-2-0.chellonetwork.com [213.46.160.17] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      6   37ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  213.46.174.78 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      7   24ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  tge2-3.fr4.lon.llnw.net [195.66.226.133] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      8   22ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  ve5.fr3.lon.llnw.net [69.28.171.137] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      9   92ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  tge7-2.fr3.lga.llnw.net [69.28.171.125] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
     10  133ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  tge1-2.fr4.ord.llnw.net [69.28.171.193] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
     11  114ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  ve6.fr3.ord.llnw.net [69.28.172.41] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
     12  181ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  tge1-3.fr4.sjc.llnw.net [69.28.171.66] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
     13  182ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  ve5.fr3.sjc.llnw.net [69.28.171.209] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
     14  175ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  tge1-1.fr4.lax.llnw.net [69.28.171.117] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
     15  189ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  ve6.fr3.lax.llnw.net [69.28.171.205] 
                                   10/  10 =100%   |
     16  ---      10/  10 =100%     0/  10 =  0%  andrewmachine [0.0.0.0] 
     
    Trace complete.
    
    Route for Eu/Europe (206.127.147.196)
    
    Tracing route to 206-127-147-196.plaync.com [206.127.147.196]
    over a maximum of 30 hops:
      0  andrewmachine [192.168.1.100] 
      1  192.168.1.1 
      2  10.91.128.1 
      3  089-101-162017.ntlworld.ie [89.101.162.17] 
      4  dbln-t2core-a-ge-2-1-0-0.aorta.net [213.46.165.5] 
      5  nl-ams-rc-02-pos-2-0.chellonetwork.com [213.46.160.17] 
      6  uk-lon01a-ri2-pos-4-0.aorta.net [213.46.174.142] 
      7  4.68.63.121 
      8  ae-32-54.ebr2.London1.Level3.net [4.68.116.126] 
      9  ae-2.ebr2.Amsterdam1.Level3.net [4.69.132.134] 
     10  ae-1-100.ebr1.Amsterdam1.Level3.net [4.69.133.85] 
     11  ae-2.ebr2.Dusseldorf1.Level3.net [4.69.133.90] 
     12  ae-1-100.ebr1.Dusseldorf1.Level3.net [4.69.132.129] 
     13  ae-2.ebr2.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.132.138] 
     14  ae-21-56.car1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.68.118.175] 
     15     *        *        *     
    Computing statistics for 37 seconds...
                Source to Here   This Node/Link
    Hop  RTT    Lost/Sent = Pct  Lost/Sent = Pct  Address
      0                                           andrewmachine [192.168.1.100] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      1    0ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  192.168.1.1 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      2  ---      10/  10 =100%    10/  10 =100%  10.91.128.1 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      3    7ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  089-101-162017.ntlworld.ie [89.101.162.17] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      4   10ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  dbln-t2core-a-ge-2-1-0-0.aorta.net [213.46.165.5] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      5   16ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  nl-ams-rc-02-pos-2-0.chellonetwork.com [213.46.160.17] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      6   33ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  uk-lon01a-ri2-pos-4-0.aorta.net [213.46.174.142] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      7  ---      10/  10 =100%    10/  10 =100%  4.68.63.121 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      8   51ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  ae-32-54.ebr2.London1.Level3.net [4.68.116.126] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
      9   40ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  ae-2.ebr2.Amsterdam1.Level3.net [4.69.132.134] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
     10   45ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  ae-1-100.ebr1.Amsterdam1.Level3.net [4.69.133.85] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
     11   48ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  ae-2.ebr2.Dusseldorf1.Level3.net [4.69.133.90] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
     12   36ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  ae-1-100.ebr1.Dusseldorf1.Level3.net [4.69.132.129] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
     13   48ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  ae-2.ebr2.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.132.138] 
                                    0/  10 =  0%   |
     14   40ms     0/  10 =  0%     0/  10 =  0%  ae-21-56.car1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.68.118.175] 
                                   10/  10 =100%   |
     15  ---      10/  10 =100%     0/  10 =  0%  andrewmachine [0.0.0.0] 
     
    Trace complete.
    
    ############### Ended: Path Ping/Trace Route Tests
    
    


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27 DaZulu


    I'm running a new trace now. Still can't login though.

    Route for Eu/Europe (206.127.147.196)

    Tracing route to 206-127-147-196.plaync.com [206.127.147.196]
    over a maximum of 30 hops:
    0 adriansfortress.chello.ie [192.168.0.185]
    1 192.168.0.1
    2 10.94.128.1
    3 089-101-170065.ntlworld.ie [89.101.170.65]
    4 dbln-t2core-a-ge-2-2-0-0.aorta.net [213.46.165.9]
    5 nl-ams-rc-02-pos-2-0.chellonetwork.com [213.46.160.17]
    6 uk-lon01a-ri2-pos-4-0.aorta.net [213.46.174.142]
    7 4.68.63.121
    8 ae-31-55.ebr1.London1.Level3.net [4.68.116.158]
    9 ae-1-100.ebr2.London1.Level3.net [4.69.132.118]
    10 ae-2.ebr2.Amsterdam1.Level3.net [4.69.132.134]
    11 ae-1-100.ebr1.Amsterdam1.Level3.net [4.69.133.85]
    12 ae-2.ebr2.Dusseldorf1.Level3.net [4.69.133.90]
    13 ae-1-100.ebr1.Dusseldorf1.Level3.net [4.69.132.129]
    14 ae-2.ebr2.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.132.138]
    15 ae-21-52.car1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.68.118.47]
    16 * * *

    Computing statistics for 40 seconds...
    Source to Here This Node/Link
    Hop RTT Lost/Sent = Pct Lost/Sent = Pct Address
    0 adriansfortress.chello.ie [192.168.0.185]
    0/ 10 = 0% |
    1 54ms 0/ 10 = 0% 0/ 10 = 0% 192.168.0.1
    0/ 10 = 0% |
    2 --- 10/ 10 =100% 10/ 10 =100% 10.94.128.1
    0/ 10 = 0% |
    3 22ms 0/ 10 = 0% 0/ 10 = 0% 089-101-170065.ntlworld.ie [89.101.170.65]
    0/ 10 = 0% |
    4 21ms 0/ 10 = 0% 0/ 10 = 0% dbln-t2core-a-ge-2-2-0-0.aorta.net [213.46.165.9]
    0/ 10 = 0% |
    5 38ms 0/ 10 = 0% 0/ 10 = 0% nl-ams-rc-02-pos-2-0.chellonetwork.com [213.46.160.17]
    0/ 10 = 0% |
    6 33ms 0/ 10 = 0% 0/ 10 = 0% uk-lon01a-ri2-pos-4-0.aorta.net [213.46.174.142]
    0/ 10 = 0% |
    7 61ms 0/ 10 = 0% 0/ 10 = 0% 4.68.63.121
    0/ 10 = 0% |
    8 62ms 0/ 10 = 0% 0/ 10 = 0% ae-31-55.ebr1.London1.Level3.net [4.68.116.158]
    0/ 10 = 0% |
    9 64ms 0/ 10 = 0% 0/ 10 = 0% ae-1-100.ebr2.London1.Level3.net [4.69.132.118]
    0/ 10 = 0% |
    10 55ms 0/ 10 = 0% 0/ 10 = 0% ae-2.ebr2.Amsterdam1.Level3.net [4.69.132.134]
    0/ 10 = 0% |
    11 46ms 0/ 10 = 0% 0/ 10 = 0% ae-1-100.ebr1.Amsterdam1.Level3.net [4.69.133.85]
    0/ 10 = 0% |
    12 48ms 0/ 10 = 0% 0/ 10 = 0% ae-2.ebr2.Dusseldorf1.Level3.net [4.69.133.90]
    0/ 10 = 0% |
    13 57ms 0/ 10 = 0% 0/ 10 = 0% ae-1-100.ebr1.Dusseldorf1.Level3.net [4.69.132.129]
    0/ 10 = 0% |
    14 62ms 0/ 10 = 0% 0/ 10 = 0% ae-2.ebr2.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.69.132.138]
    0/ 10 = 0% |
    15 61ms 0/ 10 = 0% 0/ 10 = 0% ae-21-52.car1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net [4.68.118.47]
    10/ 10 =100% |
    16 --- 10/ 10 =100% 0/ 10 = 0% adriansfortress [0.0.0.0]

    Trace complete.
    ############### Ended: Path Ping/Trace Route Tests


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24 K84


    Response (GM Klaus)12/10/2007 03:35 PMHello Andrew,

    As NTL customer of Ireland, your ISP uses Chello in Dublin as peering partner to route the traffic to our Servers in Frankfurt, Germany. As we also receive a lot of complaints from Chello customers in Europe. Your problem might be caused there. Chello probably uses some kind of packet shaping/packet inspecting to counter the use of peer-to-peer sharing networks. The Tabula Rasa traffic might be wrongly recognised as such traffic and its priority gets lowered massively. Unfortunately there is nothing we can do about such measures of involved ISP's.

    Thank you for your understanding.

    Kind regards,
    GM Klaus
    PlayNC Customer Support Team
    http://plaync.com

    I'm now sending angry emails to abuse@chello.nl and ntl ireland.

    Below is my response to playNC for your viewing pleasure.
    Customer (Andrew Rayner) 12/10/2007 08:23 PM
    As you have 'a lot' of customers having this problem would it not make economic, common and customer-orientated sense to contact Chello to attempt to resolve this? I have sent them an email but as I am an end user from a foreign country to them it's not going to carry any weight.

    I would expect a customer focused company to follow this up rather than simply 'not bother'. I work as an area manager for a large global retail company and we process 10,000s of orders a week in the 5 stores I am responsible for, and I ensure that we strive for 100% customer satisfaction and if my store managers cannot resolve a customer's concern - then I do it personally.

    Business is built on reputation and repeat custom, at the moment if you were to run a search for 'Tabula Rasa' on google.ie, the first page in the list is the thread on the national Irish bulletin board, boards.ie, about not being able to connect to the game and has received several hundred hits in just one week.

    I have been a loyal ncsoft customer with Lineage, Lineage 2, GuildWars and I was very interested in the development of Aion and wish to continue to enjoy your products in the future. However I feel aggrieved at the response of 'inability' to address this issue when simple contact with the organisation concerned would most likely resolve the issue.

    Please advise me of the outcome of contacting the Chello network if you do decide to listen to this customer!


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 4,560 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ivan


    Way to stick it to the man, nice work :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭nin2010


    I'm glad I'm aware of this problem with NTL as I was very nearly going to switch to them myself(Chorus in Limerick) to get the 6mb connection but I'll be sticking with eircom now.

    I don't fancy having my torrents throttled or having problems with MMOs.

    I have a feeling the only way your going to escape this problem is to change ISPs. At least in the shortterm, maybe long term if you drummed up enough support and enough people complained they'd change it but they'll probably just ignore you...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24 K84


    Thanks for the interjections, this was due to become a depressing blog of company failure but now I feel I have some company :)

    Latest from NTL Ireland is that they have now created a 3rd ticket for me, I now have 3 on the go from them. Each time I take their names and email addresses and they never reply, I think I have them **** scared :/

    All I want to do is play Tabula Rasa and I'm damn sure I never signed something which says they can limit my internet experience, otherwise I'm going to go the legal route to get out of the contract and persue costs of the subscription to Tabula Rasa (I signed up for 3 months for a discount).

    Wish me luck guys.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭nin2010


    I hope your successful. Keep us posted on how its going.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24 K84


    NTL:

    Apologies for the delay on this. Our networks dept. are still having a look at the issue with certain games servers. Some re-routing has been done but the problem still persists. I appreciate the second tracert as it's useful to have information from a customer to send on with cases like this. The problem ticket is still open at present however I will get in contact with the relevent engineers and hopefully have an update for you later on today. [/COLOR][/FONT]

    Regards,

    John B.



    playNC:


    Response (GM Klaus)12/11/2007 10:22 AMHello Andrew.

    I can understand your frustration, but actually this is not the right way to go. The correct way is to contact your ISP. As you are paying your ISP for their service, they have to take necessary steps. If they are unable to resolve you still have the chance to change the ISP, if there is an alternative available. We are only offering a service and we can only assure connectivity and functionality on our side. We can't be held responsible for the way your take to our service. If your ISP needs more information or wants to cooperate to resolve this issue, we will provide them the necessary information.

    Thank you for your understanding.

    Kind regards,
    GM Klaus
    PlayNC Customer Support Team
    http://plaync.com


    Beyond belief that playNC won't make contact with Chello as they are losing customers. I'll keep you updated.
    [/LEFT]


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27 DaZulu


    Looks like they have no problems losing customers -_-


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 Covmeister


    I just got this game a few days ago, wouldnt of bothered my arse if I had known all this!!!

    Im on NTL, ive been trying to log in the entire night to no avail. First, it wasnt recognising ,y username and password. Eventually their support crowd fixed this problem. Now im hanging at the server request screen. I still ahvent created a character after 4 days!!!

    Every other MMORPG constructs their game so its playable from pretty much anywhere, (this being some of the allure of the format). After doing some research, it seems there are thousands of european players who were duped into buying an unfinished game. The net is littered with threads about connnection issues.

    Ill be getting my money back fo this if it doesnt start working int he next week or so.

    HMV and Virgin etc shouldnt be stocking this game if half the people who un-suspectingly buy it cant connect in the first place.

    Rant over. Sleep now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2 Ard


    Hello guys.
    Same problem here.
    Only difference, I am from far away country called Poland ;)
    As far as I know, all Chello users here have the same problem with Tabula Rasa.
    TR tech support told me almost same thing "it's your ISP's fault".
    While Chello insists it's problem with TR servers.

    I am not very familiar with this technical stuff, trace router doesnt say to me much, but as a mmorpg maniac I can tell, that games like WoW, LotRO, Fury are working just fine. What I find more amusing, other game from NCsort - City of Villains is also working fine...

    Anyways, I am watching this topic closely, checking for updated every few hours. And wish you good luck fighting with your ISP.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27 DaZulu


    Ye Guild Wars and Dungeon Runners work fine for me, it's just TR. NTL now seem to refuse to reply to my emails.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24 K84


    DaZulu wrote: »
    Ye Guild Wars and Dungeon Runners work fine for me, it's just TR. NTL now seem to refuse to reply to my emails.


    Latest I heard was they have tried re-routing but are still getting the same problem. I get the idea they will fix it, it might just take some time, which is annoying.

    I would highly recommend phoning them and getting a contact within tech support and getting their email address, eg. when you send them the tracert. Then you can keep all correspondence to one person.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24 K84


    Ard wrote: »
    Hello guys.
    Same problem here.
    Only difference, I am from far away country called Poland ;)
    As far as I know, all Chello users here have the same problem with Tabula Rasa.
    TR tech support told me almost same thing "it's your ISP's fault".
    While Chello insists it's problem with TR servers.

    I am not very familiar with this technical stuff, trace router doesnt say to me much, but as a mmorpg maniac I can tell, that games like WoW, LotRO, Fury are working just fine. What I find more amusing, other game from NCsort - City of Villains is also working fine...

    Anyways, I am watching this topic closely, checking for updated every few hours. And wish you good luck fighting with your ISP.

    Hello from Ireland!

    Contact your ISP and email them a copy of your tracert. The more pressure Chello get from other ISPs the faster we can all get this fixed!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8 Covmeister


    AAAAGGGHHH

    4 days later. still no ****ing game. i am so pissed off right now.

    everyone mail the european consumer rights commision as i am doing. this is unbelievable. i paid 50 euro for this game.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 111 ✭✭nin2010


    Covmeister wrote: »
    AAAAGGGHHH

    4 days later. still no ****ing game. i am so pissed off right now.

    everyone mail the european consumer rights commision as i am doing. this is unbelievable. i paid 50 euro for this game.

    I don't think it's really NCSoft fault that some ISPs choose to limit your connection in ways that aren't advertised. The problem your having is because your ISP is wrongly identifying the game communication as BitTorrent traffic. They need to remedy that problem.

    I can't imagine it being that difficult for Chello to set up an exception rule for TR traffic.


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