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HDMI Cable

  • 06-12-2007 05:50PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 362 ✭✭


    Is there any difference in cables if so what do you recommend. Xtravision is offering one with the bundle for £12.99.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 579 ✭✭✭Qs


    Cheaper on ebay. Theres no real difference.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,586 ✭✭✭ongarite


    Its all a con. No difference in any of them as its a pure digital signal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 580 ✭✭✭3102derek


    yes there is a difference.
    it is the only contact from your PS3 to your HD TV.
    get one for at least 40/50 notes.

    you don't want to skimp on cables after spending over €1500 on AV equipment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 362 ✭✭MREGAN


    yes there is a difference.

    Explain the difference?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,586 ✭✭✭ongarite


    Sorry your talking BS man.
    A digital cable is a digital cable. Doesn't matter if it says Lidl or Monster or Denon on it. It sends 1,0 and recieves 1,0. It either works or doesn't

    So all this buy €50 or €100 HDMI cable is just marketing crap.

    This is the cable that most people use in the US with PS3, 360. Costs €5 and works perfectly.


    Off-topic: I never believed all this crap back in the old SCART, component days either with oxygen free, gold plated, twisted, 4-core, low-impedance copper cables.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 362 ✭✭MREGAN


    Thought as much! Cheers ongarite Going to get the PS3 that new drake game, assasins creed and spidarman blu ray and cable tomorrow. xtravision £342 Probably get a few other games online.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,535 ✭✭✭Zonda999


    I read on a thread about 2 weeks ago that tesco have hdmi cables for about 10euro.Anyone know if thats true???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭2347


    There are different versions of HDMI cables that on paper look great but you probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference unless you had a 100'' screen TV.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Definition_Multimedia_Interface


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭mathias


    yes there is a difference.
    it is the only contact from your PS3 to your HD TV.
    get one for at least 40/50 notes.

    you don't want to skimp on cables after spending over €1500 on AV equipment.

    No there most definitely is not a difference.

    As posted, its all digital , so there is no difference ,

    Ive tested em at work , and from the cheapest to the dearest there is not one jot of difference , at least until you hit 15 meters in length anyway.

    So , get the cheapest one you can find. With digital its a black and white situation , it either works or it doesnt , there are no varying degrees of quality ,

    The likes of " Monster " will try and tell you different , but its Complete BS , their arguments only apply to analog , not digital.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,535 ✭✭✭Zonda999


    A bit off the point but the scart lead that comes with the sky digibox is s**t.Get a gold plated ofc one in argos for about 13 euro.Totally agree that theres no difference in hdmi leads.Some hdmi's cost ridiculous money.E.g i saw a "monster" one in harvey norman for 60 f**king euro the other week.Anyone know where to get the cheapest one by the way???


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭Vorrtexx


    I'm going a bit off point here too but you know when you power on the sky digibox and the TV's source automatically changes, is there any way for HDMI to do this as well or it is TV dependent? I'd like it so that when I power on the PS3 that the TV switches to the HDMI source without having to go through all the TV source channels manually.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,535 ✭✭✭Zonda999


    I think that would completely depend on the television and how it reacts to a new source.And another thing i'm thinking of buying a dvd recorder with a hdmi port.Will i be able to record sky using that hdmi cable as the only cable between the recorder and tv or would i have to do it using scart????


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭mathias


    I'm going a bit off point here too but you know when you power on the sky digibox and the TV's source automatically changes, is there any way for HDMI to do this as well or it is TV dependent? I'd like it so that when I power on the PS3 that the TV switches to the HDMI source without having to go through all the TV source channels manually

    The interface specs allow for this and of course the cable has the line , but your TV has to have this feature , and not many do at the moment ,

    Panasonics do , if your model has " Viera Link " . Thats one example ,
    names for CEC are Anynet (Samsung), Aquos Link (Sharp), BRAVIA Theatre Sync (Sony), Regza Link (Toshiba), RIHD (Onkyo), Simplink (LG) and Viera Link/EZ-Sync (Panasonic/JVC).

    Check for the logos of the above on your TV.

    The line in question is the CEC ( consumer electronics control ) line , info is about half way down the page ,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI

    If your Gear doesnt have the feature though , theres nothing you can do about it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭mathias


    Will i be able to record sky using that hdmi cable as the only cable between the recorder and tv or would i have to do it using scart????



    There is no recording allowed off sky from the HDMI port , its a condition of transmission , you can record off the lower quality scart and RF out , but not the HDMI unfortunately.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,535 ✭✭✭Zonda999


    Thanks for that it does'nt matter anyway i wont bother getting one with a hdmi port.I have a ps3 for the upacaling bit anyway.Since the last post i was looking at the back of the sky box and i noticed that there is a vga port but there is no mention of this in the manual.Does that mean you can connect sky to you tv via that vga port???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭mathias


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sky_hd_001.jpg

    Have a look at the picture above , there is no VGA port , I think you might be looking at the RS232 port , not the same at all ! Both are standard D type connectors but RS232 is a nine pin port for serial comms , and Vga is a 15 pin for Video.

    As far as I know , no sky box has a Vga port. But maybe there is a model with one , not that I have seen however.

    In addition , there are USB ports , eSATA ports , and ethernet ports , none of which do anything at the moment and are listed by Sky as " for future use "


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,535 ✭✭✭Zonda999


    No it clearly is'nt vga, just looks a bit like it, Thanks for the help


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,972 ✭✭✭Flaccus


    However shielding and impedence can affect a digital cable, in terms of jitter (well really long cables anyway) though I agree the el cheapo hdmi ones do the job. As another poster said, Monster and people who sell em will tell you different. Analog cables like speaker cable and rca connectors for cd's/amps is a different story though, though like everything there is diminishing returns on how much bang for the buck you get with cables.

    ongarite wrote: »
    Sorry your talking BS man.
    A digital cable is a digital cable. Doesn't matter if it says Lidl or Monster or Denon on it. It sends 1,0 and recieves 1,0. It either works or doesn't

    So all this buy €50 or €100 HDMI cable is just marketing crap.

    This is the cable that most people use in the US with PS3, 360. Costs €5 and works perfectly.


    Off-topic: I never believed all this crap back in the old SCART, component days either with oxygen free, gold plated, twisted, 4-core, low-impedance copper cables.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭mathias


    However shielding and impedence can affect a digital cable, in terms of jitter

    My Lab tests consistently proved that signal degradation due to impedance , shielding , attenuation etc didnt show till 15 meters and even at that it was pretty low. HDMI is a balanced line , so shielding is not as important on the connection as it would be say with an analog signal.

    After 15 meters attenuation started to play a big part , with some cheaper 20 meter cables having severe drop outs ( digital break up ).

    At lengths of 1 to 5 meters , which is what most people here want , get the cheapest you can , it will do the job exactly the same as any other cable at any other price.

    ( Incidentally , the tests were for a major supplier of a home media device , who wanted to know what qualities a good HDMI cable would need to have if they were to include one with their product .... no names allowed... )

    The good news for them is that the results showed that pretty much any one would do , saves them a few dollars Im sure !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,972 ✭✭✭Flaccus


    Yep...I got the cheapest I could get based on more or less what people like yourself and others have said. I did here when you go over 10metres it degrades, as you found out yourself.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭penguinpoppers


    If in doubt,look it up on you tube. There's a test comparison between all 3 cables. Component,composite and HDMI. HDMI is vital if you have a HDTV,you will notice the difference instantly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 362 ✭✭MREGAN


    HDMI is vital if you have a HDTV
    The question was about the types of HDMI cable. I wasnt comparing HDMI with other cables. I think it has been answered. I wont need a very long cable and the t.v. is only 26" so going by most replies there is no difference in HDMI cables. Only if it is a long cable and massive screen will there be any differnce.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭penguinpoppers


    oh sorry, my bad.
    Then no you're right there is no difference as long as its gold plated and not ''too'' long.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 112 ✭✭ow2h7nft1me9i4


    I understand that all hdmi cables do exactly the same job. Just out of interest, I got a hdmi cable in argos last year for my upscaling dvd player. On the box of it , it gave a list of supported modes. 720p/1080i was the highest listed. Whats the deal with that???? Should 1080p not have been listed? The cable was 40euro and at the time, was the only hdmi cable argos stocked as far as I can remember.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭floydmoon1


    should only matter if you have a 1080p tv.maybe they didnt include it cause 1080p might not have been on tvs yet then.

    just wondering mathias what do u work as.is it electronic engineer or something.seems like a cool job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 580 ✭✭✭3102derek


    WOW!! i stand corrected.:o
    I replied on what i was told by "sales people" .
    I will listen to the experts on here in future.

    Some excellet replys on this tread!


    off topic:
    i have my PS3 connect to my Phillps 37"- the spec of the tv say it 720p but when i run the display setup on the ps3 it gives the option to select 1080p!!
    why would this be? i have it set to 720p as this matches the tv.


    cheers

    derek


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭2347


    I don't think the PS3 can tell what resolution your TV has but maybe I am wrong.:)


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭whiterebel


    3102derek wrote: »
    WOW!! i stand corrected.:o
    I replied on what i was told by "sales people" .
    I will listen to the experts on here in future.

    Some excellet replys on this tread!


    off topic:
    i have my PS3 connect to my Phillps 37"- the spec of the tv say it 720p but when i run the display setup on the ps3 it gives the option to select 1080p!!
    why would this be? i have it set to 720p as this matches the tv.


    cheers

    derek


    I too have a 37" Philips. The PS3 gives the option to go to 1080p, but the picture is terrible due to the TV not supporting it. It ran 1080i all along, until I changed it. 720p is fine for games, indeed a necessity for PES 2008


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭mathias


    I understand that all hdmi cables do exactly the same job. Just out of interest, I got a hdmi cable in argos last year for my upscaling dvd player. On the box of it , it gave a list of supported modes. 720p/1080i was the highest listed. Whats the deal with that???? Should 1080p not have been listed? The cable was 40euro and at the time, was the only hdmi cable argos stocked as far as I can remember.


    I beginning to sound like a parrot on the boards at the moment over this issue , that labelling of HDMI cables for different picture quality is a lie. Its complete and utter BS.

    The cable does not know or care what type of picture is transmitting down it , the bandwidth of a HDMI cable is well beyond any resolution in existence at this time and they have all even be shown to handle experimental resolutions at least Double that of anything available for consumers at the moment , so pay no attention to this trash. Its a Con.

    This one really makes me mad. Any sales assistant that gives you this spiel deserves a good slap!

    On a side note , The PS3 uses the HDMI to interrogate your TV and find out the highest resolution its capable of and sets itself up accordingly , so yes it can tell what res your tv can do.
    i have my PS3 connect to my Phillps 37"- the spec of the tv say it 720p but when i run the display setup on the ps3 it gives the option to select 1080p!!
    why would this be? i have it set to 720p as this matches the tv.

    Your TV may well be a 720p TV , but if its capable of accepting a 1080p picture then thats the way the PS3 should be set up , That way the scaling only happens once , scaling is where the picture is resized to fit your TV , if you have a 720p TV and set the Ps3 to 720p , the PS3 will scale , and then your TV will scale too. You really only want this to happen once and the TV scaler is usually better so let the TV do it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,395 ✭✭✭witnessmenow


    Can i just say thanks to mathias for the info, always nice to have a professional opinion!!


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