Comparison of Irish Football and Scottish Football

Gareth37 · 26-11-2008 03:11PM #1

This was posted in anoither forum. Interesting stats regarding the performances of Irish football teams in Europe this season versus Scottish teams, who got some fairly handy ties.

Ireland
Played 16
Won 8
Drew 4
Lost 4

Scotland
Played 13
Won 0
Drew 3
Lost 10

_blank_ · 26-11-2008 03:15PM

Gareth37 wrote: »

This was posted in anoither forum. Interesting stats regarding the performances of Irish football teams in Europe this season versus Scottish teams, who got some fairly handy ties.

Celtic got Manchester United, the Champions of England, and of Europe.

Yeah, real handy.

A Dub in Glasgo · 26-11-2008 03:15PM

Gareth37 wrote: »

This was posted in anoither forum. Interesting stats regarding the performances of Irish football teams in Europe this season versus Scottish teams, who got some fairly handy ties.

Ireland
Played 16
Won 8
Drew 4
Lost 4

Scotland
Played 13
Won 0
Drew 3
Lost 10

And your point is? Irish football is better than Scottish football?

You cannot even make that inference without regular meetings between the teams of the 2 leagues.

Pure Cork · 26-11-2008 03:51PM

FT: Ireland 2.500 - 1.375 Scotland

anonymous_joe · 26-11-2008 03:53PM

Ignore total figures - give us comparitive results in games of the same standard.

_blank_ · 26-11-2008 03:54PM

Celtic and Rangers are better than anything in Ireland, this is not in doubt.

I reckon the top three or four LoI sides would hover between the SPL and SFD

Pure Cork · 26-11-2008 04:08PM

Des wrote: »

Celtic and Rangers are better than anything in Ireland, this is not in doubt.

I reckon the top three or four LoI sides would hover between the SPL and SFD

I think the LOI and the SPL, excluding the Old Firm, are a very similar standard. The main difference between the leagues is the people who run them.

Gareth37 · 26-11-2008 04:31PM

Des wrote: »

Celtic got Manchester United, the Champions of England, and of Europe.

Yeah, real handy.

Rangers got a Lithuanian side and lost though

They also got Aa Alborg and could only manage 1 point against them. BATE from Belarus got as many points as Celtic

Also, Elfsborg beat Hiberian home and away and Pats beat them at home and drew away.

Arsenal could only manage the same result as Drogheda against Dynamo Kiev too in Kiev :eek:, despite Drogheda missing their keeper and best outfield player.

Just saying that the results are comparable.

Gareth37 · 26-11-2008 04:36PM

anonymous_joe wrote: »

Ignore total figures - give us comparitive results in games of the same standard.

St Pats 2 Elfsborg 1
Hiberian 0 Elfsborg 2
Elfsboirg 2 St Pats 2
Elfsborg 2 Hiberian 0

Drogheda 2 Levedia 1
Rangers 0 Kaunas 0
Levadia 0 Drogheda 1
Kaunas 2 Rangers 1

St Pats 0 Hertha Berlin 0
Celtic 0 AA Alborg 0
Hertha Berlin 2 St Pats 0
AA Alborg 2 Celtic 1

premierstone · 26-11-2008 04:39PM

Gareth37 wrote: »

Rangers got a Lithuanian side and lost though

They also got Aa Alborg and could only manage 1 point against them. BATE from Belarus got as many points as Celtic

Also, Elfsborg beat Hiberian home and away and Pats beat them at home and drew away.

Arsenal could only manage the same result as Drogheda against Dynamo Kiev too in Kiev :eek:, despite Drogheda missing their keeper and best outfield player.

Just saying that the results are comparable.

Untill a LOI team even make the group stages of either competitions you cannot compare and as much as it pains me as an Irish man that is not going to happen anytime soon, are you seriously trying to suggest that Bohs or Pats or Derry could achieve anywhere near what Celtic and Rangers have achieved in Europe in the last 5 years?

LuckyLloyd · 26-11-2008 04:51PM

Rangers made the final of the UEFA cup last year. Did an Irish club ever do the same? Meanwhile, Celtic got through to the last 16 of the Champions league. When an Irish club has never gotten to the group stages.

Data samples folks. Over any five year period or more, the SPL crushes the LOI in terms of European performance. If this years results were to become commonplace, you would have something to shout about.

So, we can bump this thread around a year from now and see how things have changed.

Xavi6 · 26-11-2008 04:53PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Rangers made the final of the UEFA cup last year. Did an Irish club ever do the same? Meanwhile, Celtic got through to the last 16 of the Champions league. When an Irish club has never gotten to the the group stages.

FYP

Pigman II · 26-11-2008 04:59PM

premierstone wrote: »

Untill a LOI team even make the group stages of either competitions you cannot compare and as much as it pains me as an Irish man that is not going to happen anytime soon, are you seriously trying to suggest that Bohs or Pats or Derry could achieve anywhere near what Celtic and Rangers have achieved in Europe in the last 5 years?

Not really a fair barometer either. I'd imagine if the SPL didn't have Keltic or Rangers that the next best team (ie hypothetical league winners) would have a very tough (nay impossible) time getting past qualifying round 3. So saying "we must get to group stages first" is unfair.

How much of the SPLs quotient is down to the results of just two clubs?

No doubt the leftovers in the SPL are better than the LOI but the gap (at least on the pitch) isn't as big as you might imagine.

Eirebear · 26-11-2008 05:00PM

I think Des is spot on with his comments.

Take Rangers and Celtic out of the equation and you have a league where the top 2 or 3 Irish teams could compete with the middle tier of scottish football. i.e respectable top 6 finishes fairly regularly.

_blank_ · 26-11-2008 05:00PM

We can't talk about Scottish without talking about Celtic and Rangers though.

They do exist, and as a result, Scottish football is stronger than Irish football.

LuckyLloyd · 26-11-2008 05:03PM

Xavi6 wrote: »

FYP

Yeah, obv.

Pigman II · 26-11-2008 05:03PM

The only solution then is to have two huge clubs operating out of Dublin. I suggest they be Bohemians and Dublin GAA soccer team.

_blank_ · 26-11-2008 05:04PM

Eirebear wrote: »

I think Des is spot on with his comments.

Take Rangers and Celtic out of the equation and you have a league where the top 2 or 3 Irish teams could compete with the middle tier of scottish football. i.e respectable top 6 finishes fairly regularly.

What is the "middle" tier in Scotland.

I don't know if you understood me correctly here.

I reckon the top 3 or 4 irish clubs would be at a level where they are hovering at relegation from the Premier / promotion from the First division in Scotland. Kind of like St Johnstone or Dunfermline.

premierstone · 26-11-2008 05:06PM

Pigman II wrote: »

Not really a fair barometer either. I'd imagine if the SPL didn't have Keltic or Rangers that the next best team (ie hypothetical league winners) would have a very tough (nay impossible) time getting past qualifying round 3. So saying "we must get to group stages first" is unfair.

How much of the SPLs quotient is down to the results of just two clubs?

No doubt the leftovers in the SPL are better than the LOI but the gap (at least on the pitch) isn't as big as you might imagine.

If my aunty had balls she'd be my uncle!! Whats your point Rangers and Celtic are in the SPL end of really!!

And I do accept that the gap between the top three or four in the LOI and the second tier in the SPL is not as wide as some make out.

Eirebear · 26-11-2008 05:16PM

Des wrote: »

What is the "middle" tier in Scotland.

I don't know if you understood me correctly here.

I reckon the top 3 or 4 irish clubs would be at a level where they are hovering at relegation from the Premier / promotion from the First division in Scotland. Kind of like St Johnstone or Dunfermline.

The thing is the way scottish football is you can see any of the "other 10" teams taking points off each ther on a weekly basis.
No one is safe from that relegation battle.

I would expect the best two or 3 teams from Ireland to be exactly the same in this situation, so whilst they will never be like Gretna, they will never be entirely safe.

A finish anywhere between 3rd and 12th is possible for pretty much every team in the SPL at the moment.

_blank_ · 26-11-2008 05:19PM

Eirebear wrote: »

The thing is the way scottish football is you can see any of the "other 10" teams taking points off each ther on a weekly basis.
No one is safe from that relegation battle.

I would expect the best two or 3 teams from Ireland to be exactly the same in this situation, so whilst they will never be like Gretna, they will never be entirely safe.

A finish anywhere between 3rd and 12th is possible for pretty much every team in the SPL at the moment.

Ah right.

I thought there would be a

1. Celtic / Rangers
2. Some other teams who never go down
3. Some other teams who go down/come up on a regular basis <-- which is where I'd put the Irish teams

Pigman II · 26-11-2008 05:22PM

premierstone wrote: »

If my aunty had balls she'd be my uncle!!

Yeah but the important thing would be that you'd still kissed him when he came round to visit your family.

premierstone · 26-11-2008 05:26PM

Pigman II wrote: »

Yeah but the important thing would be that you'd still kissed him when he came round to visit your family.

I can only assume this is your way of admitting you were talking out of the wrong hole??

ziggy · 26-11-2008 05:26PM

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Eirebear · 26-11-2008 05:26PM

Des wrote: »

Ah right.

I thought there would be a

1. Celtic / Rangers
2. Some other teams who never go down
3. Some other teams who go down/come up on a regular basis

A few years ago i would have agreed with you, and there will always be "traditional" favourites in terms of who people expect to beat easily etc.

It seems the current trend is for the team who came up to be the ones who go down, while the rest of the teams are seperated by a relatively small gap.

Pigman II · 26-11-2008 05:27PM

premierstone wrote: »

I can only assume this is your way of admitting you were talking out of the wrong hole??

Nah it's my way of admitting I don't have much time for people who imagine their aunty being their uncle.

premierstone · 26-11-2008 05:33PM

Pigman II wrote: »

Nah it's my way of admitting I don't have much time for people who imagine their aunty being their uncle.

But you conveniently choose to ignore the rest of my post??

redout · 26-11-2008 05:34PM

ziggy wrote: »

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Fair enough but there is a huge disparity in Scottish football. The players, facilities and financial strength of the two Glasgow clubs makes it unfair to compare.

ziggy · 26-11-2008 05:37PM

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Pigman II · 26-11-2008 05:38PM

premierstone wrote: »

But you conveniently choose to ignore the rest of my post??

Just like you did to me so I guess we're even.

Pure Cork · 26-11-2008 05:42PM

premierstone wrote: »

Untill a LOI team even make the group stages of either competitions you cannot compare and as much as it pains me as an Irish man that is not going to happen anytime soon, are you seriously trying to suggest that Bohs or Pats or Derry could achieve anywhere near what Celtic and Rangers have achieved in Europe in the last 5 years?

Why can't we compare? It's all about results in Europe. Celtic and Rangers are stronger than any LOI club. Nobody would suggest otherwise. Take them out of the equation and the standard is very very similar. With them in the equation, considering their budgets, players, etc., the Old Firm have underachieved this season in Europe, and the Scottish coefficient has taken a hammering as a result.

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