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Canada to check travellers for pirated music/videos at borders

  • 07-06-2008 12:27AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,871 ✭✭✭


    Oh Jaysus! With most people (probably) downloading illegally - massive-er queues:eek:
    Canada is about to prove itself good friends with movie studios and record companies, trying to pass the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) we’ve been hearing about for the past few months. The idea behind this proposed international agreement is to search iPods, mp3 players and electronic devices for pirated videos and music at Canada’s borders, and get other countries in on the crazy ransacking of people’s rights, too. The agreement also aims to stop peer-to-peer applications such as BitTorrent.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,283 ✭✭✭Ross_Mahon


    They will have to take me down guns blazing, i love my music! :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,296 ✭✭✭RandolphEsq


    What BS. It will never go through


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭latenia


    I'll just carry a 4gb USB key in my rectum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭ballybay_eh


    This may be a stupid question but how can they tell if the songs on your mp3 player are legal or pirated?

    Canadian Officer: Can I see your iPod, eh?
    Me: Yeah... Here.
    Canadian Officer: Hmmm... Did you pay for this copy of Madonna's new album?
    Me: Of course officer.
    Canadian Officer: Really?!? You shouldn't have. Its sh*t!


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 10,093 Mod ✭✭✭✭marco_polo


    latenia wrote: »
    I'll just carry a 4gb USB key in my rectum.

    Just 4? 8GB ones are pretty compact these days too ;)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Will they have MP3 Sniffer dogs? :confused:


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,280 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Pavee point will be up in arms about this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    Just goes to show how much power these companies have I suppose.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Rb wrote: »
    Just goes to show how much power these companies have I suppose.
    If we get a YES vote for Lisbon we will soon have an anti counterfeiting squad set up by the Euro Police authorities.They will know exactly who has illegal MP3s on a player because either it will be a multimedia mobile phone like the Nokia 95 or a wifi based Ipod or mp3 player. The service providers will have track of what you have or else It will transmit a signal as you pass any portal scanner where there will be authorities ready to arrest you :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭JC 2K3


    If we get a YES vote for Lisbon we will soon have an anti counterfeiting squad set up by the Euro Police authorities.They will know exactly who has illegal MP3s on a player because either it will be a multimedia mobile phone like the Nokia 95 or a wifi based Ipod or mp3 player. The service providers will have track of what you have or else It will transmit a signal as you pass any portal scanner where there will be authorities ready to arrest you :eek:
    No... Just no.


    Anyway, how are they going to check every MP3 player for pirate music? And how can they tell if it's pirate or not?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,216 ✭✭✭✭monkeyfudge


    But all the songs on your iPod have been illeagaly copied to it though...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    I don't want to get stuck behind the guy with four million tunes on a laptop goign through customs while they check every single song for legallity....

    And what wbout the ones burnt from a legally bought CD? If you don;t have said CD with you?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    JC 2K3 wrote: »
    No... Just no.


    Anyway, how are they going to check every MP3 player for pirate music? And how can they tell if it's pirate or not?
    Quite easily, demand a receipt or proof of purchase. I can imagine a purchased MP3 or Itune would have some kind of a digitally encoded receipt. Its up to you to prove you purchased it. An inspector could run a programme that could scan out illegal tracks in seconds from your collection.

    I am a DJ myself and If I were to use MP3s I would have to be very careful that I carry hard copies, ie origional CD's. PPI or INFACT can demand to audit any collection of music for counterfeits and have carried out raids in the entertainment industry.

    You are allowed use copied MP3s only provided you have the original. Ireland is still years behind in policing MP3's used by DJs, Most inspectors are still looking for bootleg cds in night clubs. but it wont be long before laptops used by DJs will have to be registered. In Holland its a e10'000 fine for playing illegal music commercially.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭JC 2K3


    Quite easily, demand a receipt or proof of purchase. I can imagine a purchased MP3 or Itune would have some kind of an encoded receipt. Its up to you to prove you purchased it.
    1. There are millions of MP3 players already in existence and none have support for this digital receipt of which you speak, are you suggesting that we make all existing MP3 players illegal?
    2. Even if there were a digital receipt system in place, it would be cracked - just like every other copy protection attempt.
    I am a DJ myself and If I were to use MP3s I would have to be very careful that I carry hard copies, ie origional CD's. PPI or Infact can demand to audit any collection of music for counterfeits and have carried out raids in the entertainment industry.
    AFAIK, DJing is different though. Don't you need a special licence for all the music you play or something?

    We're not really talking about music being played commercially here, but people's personal MP3 collections.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,216 ✭✭✭✭monkeyfudge


    I'd have thought that the bar that you are Djing in is paying it's fees to IMRO already.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,706 ✭✭✭Voodu Child


    Daft sensationalist article. Apart from the impracticality of it, even Canadians wouldn't be stupid enough to allow such an invasion of privacy. Not going to happen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    JC 2K3 wrote: »
    1. There are millions of MP3 players already in existence and none have support for this digital receipt of which you speak, are you suggesting that we make all existing MP3 players illegal?
    2. Even if there were a digital receipt system in place, it would be cracked - just like every other copy protection attempt..
    The whole Digital game hit the music and movie industry by storm, they were not expecting it.
    basically they tried shutting the gate after the horse had left. They were still marketing CDs for 20 quid while many kids in school were downloading and swapping hard drives of hundreds of gigs of MPs. It is only relatively recently they are getting very tough on it and making examples of people
    JC 2K3 wrote: »
    AFAIK, DJing is different though. Don't you need a special licence for all the music you play or something?.
    If I play in a venue its up to thr Pub or venue to hold an IMRO licence that will cover a DJ for the night. Most pubs and nightclubs would have it.
    JC 2K3 wrote: »
    We're not really talking about music being played commercially here, but people's personal MP3 collections.
    I don’t know what way things will go but having a hard drive full of illegal music is like having a lump of dope, if its for yourself and you get caught you would probably get a slap on the hand, if you were caught with more than one hard drive of the same music you could technically be seen as dealing, same goes for uploading. It will be the torrent sites that they will really clamp down on. Already there is new laws coming in that your service provider can rat on you if they suspect you are breaching copyright laws.

    There is a fine for having an illegal copy of a cd/dvd for personal use could be imposed if you were caught buying cds/dvds from the travellers at a market, more than likely the authorities would confiscate what you have and ask you where you got them. The fine for intent to supply (Dealing) is a different thing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭JC 2K3


    The whole Digital game hit the music and movie industry by storm, they were not expecting it.
    basically they tried shutting the gate after the horse had left. They were still marketing CDs for 20 quid while many kids in school were downloading and swapping hard drives of hundreds of gigs of MPs.
    Totally agree, however, you said that checking for pirate music could be implemented "quite easily", and you haven't responded to my concerns as to why it couldn't be done very easily, if at all effectively.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    They can suck my dick before i'll ever let them onto my laptop.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    JC 2K3 wrote: »
    Totally agree, however, you said that checking for pirate music could be implemented "quite easily", and you haven't responded to my concerns as to why it couldn't be done very easily, if at all effectively.
    In Holland an inspector can walk into a restaurant/coffee shop/club with a pen drive and check the laptop used by the DJ for illegal music in minutes. Maybe a similar method could be implimented to Ipods and MP3 players in the future. Because this whole game is so new and hit them by surprise they have yet to work out a solution and im sure they are working fast on it. They will clamp down on the commercial guys first before they clamp down on the kid with his Ipod.

    I am sure my Nokia N95 is well capable of ratting to what ever authority of all my illegal MP3and videos that I have stored on it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Tha Gopher


    I am a DJ myself and If I were to use MP3s I would have to be very careful that I carry hard copies, ie origional CD's. PPI or INFACT can demand to audit any collection of music for counterfeits and have carried out raids in the entertainment industry.

    You are allowed use copied MP3s only provided you have the original. Ireland is still years behind in policing MP3's used by DJs, Most inspectors are still looking for bootleg cds in night clubs. but it wont be long before laptops used by DJs will have to be registered. In Holland its a e10'000 fine for playing illegal music commercially.

    Id no idea!

    Though tbh lets say you are playing, I dunno, some early 90s Prodigy tune, and the lads raid. Cant you just claim its your own production? Some oul fella from the inspectors office will hardly know will he. Obviously if they raid a wedding and the DJ is playing some Barry White he robbed off Limewire, yes, found out. Likewise any well known pop tune. But 90s dance surely would be off the radar?

    Aside from that, what about playing remixes?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Tha Gopher wrote: »
    Id no idea!

    Though tbh lets say you are playing, I dunno, some early 90s Prodigy tune, and the lads raid. Cant you just claim its your own production? Some oul fella from the inspectors office will hardly know will he. Obviously if they raid a wedding and the DJ is playing some Barry White he robbed off Limewire, yes, found out. Likewise any well known pop tune. But 90s dance surely would be off the radar?

    Aside from that, what about playing remixes?
    More than likely any good DJ playing the prodogy would be using decks, an area where PPI or INFACT could not be bothered with. A Vinyl cutting machine will cost you in the region of 5k Sterling and that dose not include blanks which would probably be e10 each. http://www.htfr.com/more-info/MR34618

    There is also various hardware/software packages for linking up MP3 collections to digitally timed Vinyl on technics 1210's using Stanton and Serato Scratch. http://www.ryanstevens.co.uk/content/binary/fs2_setup.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Is this a toliet/


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    This would really suck for me seeing as i'll be heading back to Ireland at the end of the year... I have a 320GB HD full of music and movies as well as a **** load of TV Series.

    Although, i can't really see this happening, certainly not in the near future.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,392 ✭✭✭✭kaimera


    Isn't there a few countries in africa/Middle east or so that check hdds also ?

    I'm not sure myself


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    This would really suck for me seeing as i'll be heading back to Ireland at the end of the year... I have a 320GB HD full of music and movies as well as a **** load of TV Series.

    Although, I can't really see this happening, certainly not in the near future.
    That would be the equivalent of finding 5760 CDs not too long ago someone in Dublin was hung drawn and quartered in court for having only 40Gigs of MP3's. The courts gave him a hefty fine and made an example of him. The guy was downloading from a pirate torrent sites unknown to the fact that he was also leaching out his 40gigs at the same time. In other words he was seen as dealing, he got a knock on the door with a summos. (Ten people were also caught around the same time, I think in some of these incidents the parents had to fork out fines of up to 3K)

    If you have 320gigs of stuff you would be safer having it either in an external caddy or not in your main PC if its on line, there is all sorts of spy ware out there that can detect your stash particularly if you are using some of the shareware stuff. You are really looking for trouble if you are downloading from torrent sites with that much stuff on your PC. When I was into downloading a few years ago I would leave only leave a few dozen unpopular tracks for leaching in that way I had a much faster downloading speed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭homah_7ft


    Isn't this tread supposed to be about going through airports?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,727 ✭✭✭✭Sherifu


    Lol @ Canada.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭ImDave


    Does this remind anyone of the South Park episode "Canada on Strike"?

    "Give us some of your internet money!" :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,296 ✭✭✭RandolphEsq


    If I borrow a CD off a 'friend' and copy the songs to iTunes there is nothing wrong with this. If there is something wrong with this, then I can claim that myself and my 'friend' went halves on buying the CD. Unless they ban uploading songs from a CD to your computer than it is impossible to prove the music was illegally acquired


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