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  • 18-06-2008 8:27am
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    watty
    Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭


    According to Comreg... during 1st 1/4 2008

    Problem of Lack OF Demand solved.

    RTE Morning Ireland 18th June 2008 questioned a Comreg spokeswoman, pointing out that most of these are 3G users not included in European figures.

    Comreg admitted problems of connectivity in some places but pointed out that for most of these people the Mobile "Broadband" was the only Internet connection available, which justifies adding these connections to the Broadband figures.


    The Mobile "Broadband" in fact connects at from 70kbps (20 users) to 3.6Mbps (one user), with about 700kbps on a lightly loaded sector. Latency is 120ms to 1000ms+
    Here are the FCC's new classifications for tiers of Internet service:

    * "First Generation data:" 200 Kbps up to 768 Kbps
    * "Basic Broadband:" 768 Kbps to 1.5 Mbps
    * 1.5 Mbps to < 3.0 Mbps
    * 3.0 Mbps to < 6.0 Mbps
    * 6.0 Mbps to < 10.0 Mbps
    * 10.0 Mbps to < 25.0 Mbps
    * 25.0 Mbps but < 100.0 Mbps
    * 100.0 Mbps and beyond
    So now the FCC, OECD and EU would not call RIPWave or GPRS/EDGE/3G/HSDPA (Mobile "Broadband") a Broadband product.

    I'd be more generous. I'd rate anything with a MINIMUM speed of 400kbps and maximum latency of 100ms as Broadband.

    Let's talk about typical peak period speeds and minimum speeds rather than unrealistic single user per sector speed? Ban such claims in Advertising?

    On fixed Internet you don't get the exchange, mast or cable rack/sector/segment speed quoted as your speed (because it isn't).


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    bealtine
    Registered Users Posts: 4,051 ✭✭✭bealtine


    watty wrote: »
    According to Comreg... during 1st 1/4 2008


    Comreg admitted problems of connectivity in some places but pointed out that for most of these people the Mobile "Broadband" was the only Internet connection available, which justifies adding these connections to the Broadband figures.



    This just shows how low Comreg will stoop to make it look like they've done something. When in fact they are using misleading statistics to bolster the
    broadband penetration figures. Just to be clear the real figure for bb users is : 805,932 as measured by everybody else


    So now the FCC, OECD and EU would not call RIPWave or GPRS/EDGE/3G/HSDPA (Mobile "Broadband") a Broadband product.

    If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then its a duck or here not broadband.The FCC metrics are clear, none of these products can be classified as broadband.
    In submissions to COMREG they always want "international precedent", now we have it as clear as day...

    Let them use it now.


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    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    bealtine wrote: »
    Just to be clear the real figure for bb users is : 805,932 as measured by everybody else

    Not even.

    That 805,932 figure includes

    Clearwire
    Ripwave
    ICE Communications
    Last Mile

    Who together account for about 40,000 connections that must also be considered highly questionable .

    That leaves 765,932 at most .


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    SkepticOne
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    watty wrote: »
    According to Comreg... during 1st 1/4 2008

    Problem of Lack OF Demand solved.

    RTE Morning Ireland 18th June 2008 questioned a Comreg spokeswoman, pointing out that most of these are 3G users not included in European figures.
    Would the 3G figures include everyone with a 3G capable phone or does it have to be a 3G modem for a computer?


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    Sponge Bob
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    SkepticOne wrote: »
    Would the 3G figures include everyone with a 3G capable phone or does it have to be a 3G modem for a computer?

    They count 3g data only subs and not voice +data + phone subs that you may hold in addition to a data only sub.


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    clohamon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,773 ✭✭✭clohamon


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Not even.

    That 805,932 figure includes

    Clearwire
    Ripwave
    ICE Communications
    Last Mile

    Who together account for about 40,000 connections that must also be considered highly questionable .

    That leaves 765,932 at most .

    Why are those four questionable ? (excuse ignorance)


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    smellslikeshoes
    Registered Users Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭smellslikeshoes


    clohamon wrote: »
    Why are those four questionable ? (excuse ignorance)

    Because generally they're useless and sometimes have very low speeds.


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    clohamon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,773 ✭✭✭clohamon


    smellslikeshoes wrote: »
    Because generally they're useless and sometimes have very low speeds.

    Fine, but is it a technical problem or are they just lousy companies?


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    watty
    Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Some of them orignally developed as Wireless ISDN replacements. Some of them inherently can't do internationally recognised Broadband speed and low latency.

    A technical DESIGN issue. Not implementation.


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    thebman
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    clohamon wrote: »
    Why are those four questionable ? (excuse ignorance)

    How about the masses of complaints about them searchable on this forum?

    Clearwire: blocking many services, poor service, bad contention ratios, bad pricing considering service, bad customer service. Probably the worst ISP I have ever heard of from been around at a friends house a few times and using his connection and talking to him about it.

    Ripwave: poor reception, not advertised speeds, expensive for the speeds. Brother had this and it was in the bin because he couldn't get reception when he lives in Dublin City Centre.

    ICE: See sticky thread, currently Prime Time are doing an investigation into them they are that poor a service provider, poor speeds , high contention ratios, high prices considering the quality of the service. Friend moved from Clearwire to ICE and they aren't the worst but not acceptable either. Main problem is the speed and the quality of the service is all over the place from one day to the next so you can't depend on it. It cuts out altogether sometimes.

    Last Mile: Poor speeds, poor customer service, high contention ratios, not suitable for VOIP. Father tried to get them, took two months to turn up and said we couldn't get it. Few neighbours in the area have gotten them and are very disappointed with the service.

    I have family members and friends that have had or attempted to get the above services and have witnessed the appalling service they provide. Some of them take months to even survey you for coverage. Of course all of the above is just my opinion but do a search and you'll see, its not just my opinion.

    Last Mile was just outside Tullamore, Ice and Clearwire in Maynooth, Ripwave in Dublin City Centre in case this is just dependant on the location of the service as I guess it can vary from area to area with Wireless ISP's but search the forums :D


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    clohamon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,773 ✭✭✭clohamon


    Thank you.


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    cgarvey
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    I think SpongeBob's (valid) point is that the speed being used as an OECD measure is practically impossible to get on those services, despite the advertised speed, because of the nomadic nature of some of them, and because of the downright pathetic service levels of the others.


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    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Comreg are perfectly aware that

    Clearwire
    ICE
    Ripwave
    Lastmile

    are complete ****e . They have the complaints to prove it.

    Nevertheless they count them along with Mobile to inflate the figure from 760k realistic broadband connection to 992k vapourific broadband connections. This is because Comreg are a disgrace.

    It is because Comreg are a disgrace in counting these turds as Broadband rather than Midband that the likes of NBB had half a leg to stand on in their recent high court challenge to the NBS, had Comreg any scruples or principles the definition would have been clear and the challenge would not even have been taken.

    It is furthermore a grave slur on the many Wireless operators who manage their air contention and equipment properly that their properly configured and superior product is lumped in with those chancers .

    This is an overestimate of OVER 30% . Deliberately overestimating Broadband Penetration by OVER 30% is what we call A LIE around here.


    That moron Eamonn Ryan will no doubt repeat it as often as he can .


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