Musgrave Cork Chill Strike

Michael Weston · 25-04-2012 10:39pm

clappyhappy wrote: »

I know of another major food distribution company that has brought in the voice recognition for the warehouse and no salary increase was given and the workers are just getting on with their jobs. I think that in this day and age they should be greatful of a well paying secure job and technology that makes it easier.

Fair play to the boys and girls in BWG

:D:D:D:D

mcko · 25-04-2012 11:02pm

I must agree how can you guys pass an official picket

valmascal · 25-04-2012 11:10pm

Douglasman80 wrote: »

This is absolutely incredible. I work in musgrave tramore road in the offices have a 4 year degree from ucc and am working with the company since 2004 and I am earning 6000 less than the average wage from
The chill warehouse .the last pay increase I got from the company was four years ago and as part of my job since I started I have changed my work through technogical for no extra money. The chill workers should b ashamed of themselves. There are plenty friends of mine who are unemployed who would do the job for half the price. 46000 a year is well paid. Its nearly enough about them when the musgrave union drivers won't back them.

The reason the company pays you less is because they can,grow a pair of balls join a union and fight for better pay.Otherwise shut up.You may have a Degree but you know nothing about how the world works .

It was the labor movement that helped secure so much of what we take for granted today. The 40-hour work week, the minimum wage, family leave, health insurance, Social Security, Medicare, retirement plans. The cornerstones of the middle-class security all bear the union label.Barack Obama

Fishrman · 25-04-2012 11:22pm

valmascal wrote: »

The reason the company pays you less is because they can,grow a pair of balls join a union and fight for better pay.Otherwise shut up.You may have a Degree but you know nothing about how the world works .
It was the labor movement that helped secure so much of what we take for granted today. The 40-hour work week, the minimum wage, family leave, health insurance, Social Security, Medicare, retirement plans. The cornerstones of the middle-class security all bear the union label.Barack Obama

Wouldnt be holding up the US as a model of social equity! Lol. Last time i was there watched men eat food from a bin in a park. Literally. As for medicare....well it makes the HSE look as effective as the Tokyo underground:)

valmascal · 25-04-2012 11:27pm

MrThrifty wrote: »

Here, here... the bad weather today puts a smile on me!

Rather than strangely venting frustration at the non-striking workers for crossing a silly picket, these posters should instead consider venting it at the union who no doubt created this storm in a teacup.

I have been shocked by some of the stories I have heard in the past involving unions defending the indefensible - like staff being dismissed for stealing when caught red-handed etc. They're becoming an absolute joke in this country, along with a lot of other things I guess...

One only has to read MrThrifty posts on the vita cortex workers to see which side of the fence he is on and he wont have to worry about bad weather in Australia if we are to believe his other posts about his planned move there

mcko · 25-04-2012 11:36pm

Where I work staff have only got their benefits on the back of agreements with the union employees.

regress · 26-04-2012 12:19am

I hear that Management have been phoning Chill workers and offering them bribes to return to work

MrThrifty · 26-04-2012 9:33am

valmascal wrote: »

One only has to read MrThrifty posts on the vita cortex workers to see which side of the fence he is on and he wont have to worry about bad weather in Australia if we are to believe his other posts about his planned move there

Appreciate your digging valmacsal. So it sounds like you're suggesting I'm in the wrong because I'm on one side on the fence in relation to the two matters... seems a bit hypocritical that, given that you're no doubt on one side of the fence also!

As regards plans for Australia, don't believe everything you read but since you brought it up - yes, I'd be delighted to get away from this country and the everyday nonsense that goes on such as the strike in question. If you had read my posts with any degree of impartiality or fairness, you would have come across me stating that I do believe unions have served a useful and needed purpose in this country in the past. However, without meaning to sound condescending, the key point is that just because something was good in the past doesn't mean it's good anymore. Some people don't seem to realise how completely different working conditions and workers’ rights were in the past compared to now. Things have swung from being 100% in favour of the employer in terms of workers’ rights to heading for the other extreme.

Douglasman80 · 26-04-2012 11:48am

What is quite clear is this strike doesn’t even have support with in the workers in Musgrave’s who are in the union. Every
Truck driver who are all union members have left the depot on time to make their deliveries. In fact I believe the drivers were pissed off over the last few weeks anyway as the chill workers were on a go slow and the deliveries were going out 2-3 hours late. The ambient warehouse workers thus
Far have not got involved. Over 20 workers have gone back in off the picket back to work. The first vote to strike was 121 in favour
8 against, the second ballot just before the strike went roughly 70 for 40 against. I'm sure if their was a third ballot
the workers would be gone back by now.
It was a gamble going on strike hoping the world would fall apart if the
workers went on strike. It’s clear now after a week the shelves are stocked the business continues. Many of the workers hired to
Cover the striking workers are themselves unemployed and are glad for some work. If these peoples Jobs can be covered by people
Who are trained in 1 day then that shows how replaceable these jobs are. They are well paid warehouse jobs and they should
cop themselves on and get back to work.

Show Time · 26-04-2012 12:09pm

If they are still able to work away despite having a few lads on the picket line would it not make more sense just to sack the lads on the outside now and be done with the troublemakers.

be wide of me · 26-04-2012 12:21pm

Douglasman80 wrote: »

What is quite clear is this strike doesn’t even have support with in the workers in Musgrave’s who are in the union. Every
Truck driver who are all union members have left the depot on time to make their deliveries. In fact I believe the drivers were pissed off over the last few weeks anyway as the chill workers were on a go slow and the deliveries were going out 2-3 hours late. The ambient warehouse workers thus
Far have not got involved. Over 20 workers have gone back in off the picket back to work. The first vote to strike was 121 in favour
8 against, the second ballot just before the strike went roughly 70 for 40 against. I'm sure if their was a third ballot
the workers would be gone back by now.
It was a gamble going on strike hoping the world would fall apart if the
workers went on strike. It’s clear now after a week the shelves are stocked the business continues. Many of the workers hired to
Cover the striking workers are themselves unemployed and are glad for some work. If these peoples Jobs can be covered by people
Who are trained in 1 day then that shows how replaceable these jobs are. They are well paid warehouse jobs and they should
cop themselves on and get back to work.

Your second ever post and your second time complaining about their wages. Bitter much??? You should have applied for a job in the chill instead of the office then! Weren't there some office staff in there last week doing work? Surely they are not unemployed????

Douglasman80 · 26-04-2012 12:23pm

Cant be done due to employment law, but i believe a number of them could find themselves in hot water when the whole thing is over due to some texts that were sent by a small few to the workers who went back in off the picket.

Douglasman80 · 26-04-2012 12:30pm

be wide of me wrote: »

Your second ever post and your second time complaining about their wages. Bitter much??? You should have applied for a job in the chill instead of the office then! Weren't there some office staff in there last week doing work? Surely they are not unemployed????

I'm talking about the new people brought in who by and large are unemployed workers, yes the chill workers are well paid for a the job they do in this day and age would you not agree ? and more luck to the chill workers to the wage they have agreed up to now, but to throw the toys out of the pram for this is incredible and both greedy and stupid.

be wide of me · 26-04-2012 12:52pm

Douglasman80 wrote: »

I'm talking about the new people brought in who by and large are unemployed workers, yes the chill workers are well paid for a the job they do in this day and age would you not agree ? and more luck to the chill workers to the wage they have agreed up to now, but to throw the toys out of the pram for this is incredible and both greedy and stupid.

What would you think a good salary for a shift worker is then? Maybe if they were on Monday to Friday 9-5 then it would be a different case. The 5% increase was agreed between ICTU and IBEP under towards 2016. Musgrave MRPI claimed inability to pay. But then approached both Chill and Ambient for extraordinary demands for the 5%. The 5% is paid out over 3years. Last year office staff got an increase for nothing!

You also mentioned the drivers won't pass the pickets! Do you know how much money they're on???? Full-timers can easily clear over €1100 net a week! Do you think they're going to rock the boat?

In fairness from what you're saying your taking a Musgrave biased point of view which is acceptable because you work in the office and would not know half of the sh*t that goes on below in those warehouses. The way Musgraves have conducted themselves in both agreements with Chill and ambient has been disgusting!

Now i appreciate people are out of work and would kill for a well paid job! But these lads were there working long shifts and weekends in the boom, while Joe Plumber cleared €2000 a week and put half it up his nose!!

Never waste a good recession IBEC sure aren't they lucky to have jobs instead of standing up to Musgraves over promises broken!!

26-04-2012 12:57pm

mcko wrote: »

I must agree how can you guys pass an official picket

I can quite easily see how anyone with bills to pay and a mortgage might have to pass a picket out of necessity regardless of their views on the reason for the picket. Families don't feed themselves and bills don't pay themselves either.

Show Time · 26-04-2012 4:35pm

be wide of me wrote: »

Now i appreciate people are out of work and would kill for a well paid job! But these lads were there working long shifts and weekends in the boom, while Joe Plumber cleared €2000 a week and put half it up his nose!!

Have you a link to back up this claim?

be wide of me · 26-04-2012 4:57pm

Show Time wrote: »

Have you a link to back up this claim?

A link?? I lived through the boom with most of the people i know were buliders!!

Nonoperational · 26-04-2012 5:03pm

Really don't get this. Surely you go in to work, work as hard as you can, do what your told and implement whatever procedures are asked of and go home. In return for this you get paid. In this case the wages appear to be decent enough. There are plenty people would happily do the job if they don't want to.

Show Time · 26-04-2012 5:45pm

be wide of me wrote: »

A link?? I lived through the boom with most of the people i know were buliders!!

So are you trying to say that all the lads in the building trade were as high as kites?

26-04-2012 9:13pm

be wide of me wrote: »

............. while Joe Plumber cleared €2000 a week and put half it up his nose!!.........

What kind of a statement is that?
For a start a plumber is a qualified tradesman.

MrThrifty · 26-04-2012 9:47pm

Think this is going off-topic - it sounds like the original comments about Joe Plumber are to suggest that Joe and his friends had their slice of cake when the times were good, so now it's time for the Chill workers to have theirs?! Ummm... and there was me thinking the good times were over... Maybe someone might let the striking workers know about... oh yeah, that thing they call the recession...

gral6 · 26-04-2012 9:59pm

Doll gonna tell em a lot pretty soon

bassboot · 26-04-2012 10:10pm

MrThrifty wrote: »

Think this is going off-topic - it sounds like the original comments about Joe Plumber are to suggest that Joe and his friends had their slice of cake when the times were good, so now it's time for the Chill workers to have theirs?! Ummm... and there was me thinking the good times were over... Maybe someone might let the striking workers know about... oh yeah, that thing they call the recession...

Oh yes, the recession. A fantastic excuse for very profitable companies to force through whatever they see fit, safe in the knowledge that staff are more often than not in no position to quibble and will have to suck up whatever medicine the well paid HR sadists can come up with.

So yeah strikers, bend over and take it like good men, there's like, a recession on! Shame on you unwashed filth for trying to defend your position in this day and age!

Fishrman · 26-04-2012 10:28pm

bassboot wrote: »

Oh yes, the recession. A fantastic excuse for very profitable companies to force through whatever they see fit, safe in the knowledge that staff are more often than not in no position to quibble and will have to suck up whatever medicine the well paid HR sadists can come up with.

So yeah strikers, bend over and take it like good men, there's like, a recession on! Shame on you unwashed filth for trying to defend your position in this day and age!

I have to say this is a very fair point. This type of strategy has been used by many companies to cut costs to make up for falling profits during the recession. Having said that, when times were good people pulled juicy increases from employers to prevent them leaving, as was happening wholesale (guilty here by the way:D) dont recall the unions being very vocal on that though! Goose, gander etc etc! My time will come again!

valmascal · 27-04-2012 12:17am

bassboot wrote: »

Would you happen to know the exact times they're allowed? I'm pretty sure Musgraves didn't just pluck them out of the air.
If your able to work 50% harder to meet your new targets what were you doing with that time before the new targets?

You were doing your job.[/QUOTE]

Your allowed 13 minutes to pick 35 bags of potatoes that weigh 25 kilos each thats 875 kilos which is nearly 1 ton.Try picking these at 6am every morning and you will soon realise you work hard to earn your money in musgraves.The company made 70 million profit last year but still refuse to buy proper equipment to pick from,your lifting 25 kilos from floor level to waist level because musgraves wont buy equipment that will lift the palletts to waist height.do this kind of work for 14 years and see the kind of damage it does to your back,fair play to the lads in Cork because when they are no longer able to do their job musgraves will just throw them aside and hire new workers at half their pay.as to what were we doing with that time before the new targets.we need some rest between picks ,were not ****ing robots were people

bassboot · 27-04-2012 9:28am

valmascal wrote: »

bassboot wrote: »

Would you happen to know the exact times they're allowed? I'm pretty sure Musgraves didn't just pluck them out of the air.
If your able to work 50% harder to meet your new targets what were you doing with that time before the new targets?

You were doing your job.

Your allowed 13 minutes to pick 35 bags of potatoes that weigh 25 kilos each thats 875 kilos which is nearly 1 ton.Try picking these at 6am every morning and you will soon realise you work hard to earn your money in musgraves.The company made 70 million profit last year but still refuse to buy proper equipment to pick from,your lifting 25 kilos from floor level to waist level because musgraves wont buy equipment that will lift the palletts to waist height.do this kind of work for 14 years and see the kind of damage it does
to your back,fair play to the lads in Cork because when they are no longer able to do their job musgraves will just throw them aside and hire new workers at half their pay.as to what were we doing with that time before the new targets.we need some rest between picks ,were not ****ing robots were people[/Quote]

Absolutely. People who haven't worked in such an environment shouldn't be so quick to judge.

Show Time · 27-04-2012 2:06pm

Chillex wrote: »

I work in the Cork Chill and I can inform you we are miles ahead each and every day since the strike began, with the help of individuals who were trained up in less than 24hours. It goes to show how little the people outside that dam gate did at work over the years.

The people on strike get paid their wages regardless of their productivity when at work, so dont be fooled about posts regarding times to picked products etc.

The Union reps AND Siptu told them that this was a 'NO WIN SITUATION' .

First vote was 115 for , 8 against, 12 no votes.
Second vote was 70 for 40 against, 25 no votes.
NOTE : They needed 68 for a strike.....

To clarify their contract ;

46,400 euro per year
Nights on 153 shifts a year.
Days on around 170 a year.
6 weeks paid holidays.
Bonus pay in Feb for attendance and productivity, reaching 2,300 euro.
Free to swap shifts with any other employee on the same roster.
A YEAR IN ADVANCE work schedule, in which days can be swapped at will.

Note that there are ALOT of people on the picket line that dont want to be there, so please dont be quick to judge them all in one group. This strike is the result of a dozen or so ringleaders at Musgraves chill, that have been looking forward to this type of action for some time. I wish all the lads outside who truly wish to cross that line but wont, all the best, and their familes too, because its clear to all that have been on the inside of the four walls of musgraves this last week, that the company is running better than ever, and the management will let them out their till the signs they hold are worn away by the rain.

Its true that they have got little support from other departments at Musgraves. There was a non official go slow preceding the strike and this had direct consequences for the drivers. The full-time lads also gave ZERO support to the part-time lads almost 3 years ago when the company introduced a new contract, thus halting the promotion of individuals to the SAME contract as the lads currently on strike. They wonder about unity?? Half of them dont talk to the other half, and they have never stuck their own necks out for ANYONE at musgraves but themselves.

Great post.

gral6 · 27-04-2012 2:14pm

Lazy moaners

ifit · 27-04-2012 2:43pm

Chillex wrote: »

I work in the Cork Chill and I can inform you we are miles ahead each and every day since the strike began, with the help of individuals who were trained up in less than 24hours. It goes to show how little the people outside that dam gate did at work over the years.

The people on strike get paid their wages regardless of their productivity when at work, so dont be fooled about posts regarding times to picked products etc.

The Union reps AND Siptu told them that this was a 'NO WIN SITUATION' .

First vote was 115 for , 8 against, 12 no votes.
Second vote was 70 for 40 against, 25 no votes.
NOTE : They needed 68 for a strike.....

To clarify their contract ;

46,400 euro per year
Nights on 153 shifts a year.
Days on around 170 a year.
6 weeks paid holidays.
Bonus pay in Feb for attendance and productivity, reaching 2,300 euro.
Free to swap shifts with any other employee on the same roster.
A YEAR IN ADVANCE work schedule, in which days can be swapped at will.

Note that there are ALOT of people on the picket line that dont want to be there, so please dont be quick to judge them all in one group. This strike is the result of a dozen or so ringleaders at Musgraves chill, that have been looking forward to this type of action for some time. I wish all the lads outside who truly wish to cross that line but wont, all the best, and their familes too, because its clear to all that have been on the inside of the four walls of musgraves this last week, that the company is running better than ever, and the management will let them out their till the signs they hold are worn away by the rain.

Its true that they have got little support from other departments at Musgraves. There was a non official go slow preceding the strike and this had direct consequences for the drivers. The full-time lads also gave ZERO support to the part-time lads almost 3 years ago when the company introduced a new contract, thus halting the promotion of individuals to the SAME contract as the lads currently on strike. They wonder about unity?? Half of them dont talk to the other half, and they have never stuck their own necks out for ANYONE at musgraves but themselves.

Brillant post

evilivor · 27-04-2012 4:17pm

Lots of first time posters suddenly weighing in to a sensitive subject like a strike makes me uneasy - just saying is all.

54kroc · 27-04-2012 4:24pm

evilivor wrote: »

Lots of first time posters suddenly weighing in to a sensitive subject like a strike makes me uneasy - just saying is all.

They've been here since the start of the thread, a bit strange alright.

Ludo · 27-04-2012 6:30pm

evilivor wrote: »

Lots of first time posters suddenly weighing in to a sensitive subject like a strike makes me uneasy - just saying is all.

Pointed out this days ago...but why the unease? they are just discussing it like everyone else and fully entitled to. They are not breaking any rules but contributing well.

knoaky · 27-04-2012 7:02pm

Chillex wrote: »

I work in the Cork Chill and I can inform you we are miles ahead each and every day since the strike began, with the help of individuals who were trained up in less than 24hours. It goes to show how little the people outside that dam gate did at work over the years.

The people on strike get paid their wages regardless of their productivity when at work, so dont be fooled about posts regarding times to picked products etc.

The Union reps AND Siptu told them that this was a 'NO WIN SITUATION' .

First vote was 115 for , 8 against, 12 no votes.
Second vote was 70 for 40 against, 25 no votes.
NOTE : They needed 68 for a strike.....

To clarify their contract ;

46,400 euro per year
Nights on 153 shifts a year.
Days on around 170 a year.
6 weeks paid holidays.
Bonus pay in Feb for attendance and productivity, reaching 2,300 euro.
Free to swap shifts with any other employee on the same roster.
A YEAR IN ADVANCE work schedule, in which days can be swapped at will.

Note that there are ALOT of people on the picket line that dont want to be there, so please dont be quick to judge them all in one group. This strike is the result of a dozen or so ringleaders at Musgraves chill, that have been looking forward to this type of action for some time. I wish all the lads outside who truly wish to cross that line but wont, all the best, and their familes too, because its clear to all that have been on the inside of the four walls of musgraves this last week, that the company is running better than ever, and the management will let them out their till the signs they hold are worn away by the rain.

Its true that they have got little support from other departments at Musgraves. There was a non official go slow preceding the strike and this had direct consequences for the drivers. The full-time lads also gave ZERO support to the part-time lads almost 3 years ago when the company introduced a new contract, thus halting the promotion of individuals to the SAME contract as the lads currently on strike. They wonder about unity?? Half of them dont talk to the other half, and they have never stuck their own necks out for ANYONE at musgraves but themselves.

Couldn't have put it better myself, I also work in chill and I think they should leave the lazy ***** outside to rot and bring in the guys who want to do a bit of work

Show Time · 27-04-2012 7:03pm

54kroc wrote: »

They've been here since the start of the thread, a bit strange alright.

It is fun to watch it play out here.

evilivor · 27-04-2012 7:34pm

Ludo wrote: »

evilivor wrote: »

Lots of first time posters suddenly weighing in to a sensitive subject like a strike makes me uneasy - just saying is all.

Pointed out this days ago...but why the unease? they are just discussing it like everyone else and fully entitled to. They are not breaking any rules but contributing well.

My unease is because I suspect people are, possibly, being directed here and that a proxy war may be being waged.

gral6 · 27-04-2012 9:49pm

Are they still camping outside there ?

sixpack's little hat · 27-04-2012 9:53pm

gral6 wrote: »

Are they still camping outside there ?

Yeah outside each of the 3 entrances, 24 7 so far

valmascal · 27-04-2012 9:56pm

Chillex wrote: »

I work in the Cork Chill and I can inform you we are miles ahead each and every day since the strike began, with the help of individuals who were trained up in less than 24hours. It goes to show how little the people outside that dam gate did at work over the years.

The people on strike get paid their wages regardless of their productivity when at work, so dont be fooled about posts regarding times to picked products etc.

The Union reps AND Siptu told them that this was a 'NO WIN SITUATION' .

First vote was 115 for , 8 against, 12 no votes.
Second vote was 70 for 40 against, 25 no votes.
NOTE : They needed 68 for a strike.....

To clarify their contract ;

46,400 euro per year
Nights on 153 shifts a year.
Days on around 170 a year.
6 weeks paid holidays.
Bonus pay in Feb for attendance and productivity, reaching 2,300 euro.
Free to swap shifts with any other employee on the same roster.
A YEAR IN ADVANCE work schedule, in which days can be swapped at will.

Note that there are ALOT of people on the picket line that dont want to be there, so please dont be quick to judge them all in one group. This strike is the result of a dozen or so ringleaders at Musgraves chill, that have been looking forward to this type of action for some time. I wish all the lads outside who truly wish to cross that line but wont, all the best, and their familes too, because its clear to all that have been on the inside of the four walls of musgraves this last week, that the company is running better than ever, and the management will let them out their till the signs they hold are worn away by the rain.

Its true that they have got little support from other departments at Musgraves. There was a non official go slow preceding the strike and this had direct consequences for the drivers. The full-time lads also gave ZERO support to the part-time lads almost 3 years ago when the company introduced a new contract, thus halting the promotion of individuals to the SAME contract as the lads currently on strike. They wonder about unity?? Half of them dont talk to the other half, and they have never stuck their own necks out for ANYONE at musgraves but themselves.

Of course we have a year in advance work schedule,we're on an annualised hours contract.How are we supposed to know when we are to be in work if we dont have a roster?maybe we should sit by the phone and wait to be called in or better still drive into work and if we're not wanted they can send us home.Six weeks paid holiday? what would he suggest,that we shouldn't be paid when we take holidays

EyeSight · 27-04-2012 10:12pm

valmascal wrote: »

Of course we have a year in advance work schedule,we're on an annualised hours contract.How are we supposed to know when we are to be in work if we dont have a roster?maybe we should sit by the phone and wait to be called in or better still drive into work and if we're not wanted they can send us home.Six weeks paid holiday? what would he suggest,that we shouldn't be paid when we take holidays

i think the poster was mentioning that yee have flexible working hours and are told well in advance. compared to other roster based companys that are done less frequently. he obviously didn't mean that you would show up everyday looking for work.
where i used to work we wouldn't know our schedule most times until the day before! management didn't care however.

as for the 6 weeks, it's a lot more than most companys give paid. i now work in an office and get 21 days paid holidays

valmascal · 27-04-2012 10:48pm

EyeSight wrote: »

i think the poster was mentioning that yee have flexible working hours and are told well in advance. compared to other roster based companys that are done less frequently. he obviously didn't mean that you would show up everyday looking for work.
where i used to work we wouldn't know our schedule most times until the day before! management didn't care however.

as for the 6 weeks, it's a lot more than most companys give paid. i now work in an office and get 21 days paid holidays

I know what he meant i was being sarcastic,you get 21days paid holidays + 9 bank holidays =30 days, same as me and we are rostered for 5 of our bank holidays. You know a year in advance what days you are working ,whats the difference?

40plus · 27-04-2012 10:59pm

your pay and 2,300 bonus for ATTENDANCE maybe??????

knoaky · 27-04-2012 11:22pm

40plus wrote: »

your pay and 2,300 bonus for ATTENDANCE maybe??????

Bunch of assholes leave them out there

RoverZT · 27-04-2012 11:30pm

What's the voice picking like?

Has it been a massive success or just adequate.

Looks interesting from youtube video's.

Is it slower or faster than the paper picking?

midmal30 · 28-04-2012 1:43am

evilivor wrote: »

My unease is because I suspect people are, possibly, being directed here and that a proxy war may be being waged.

I also work in the chill as HDTM which means i am hourly paid .the lads outside the gate are salary paid they get paid monthly i get paid weekly.There is a spilt in the work force in the chill the day lads dont really talk to the night lads and by the way half the day lads dont even talk to each other it must be great fun on the picket line.I know one thing the so called UNION in the chill shafted us HDTM WORKERs big time they signed off a contract which gave us 46 SUNDAYS AND NEARLY EVERY FRIDAY DAYS AND NIGHTS and the union have the cheek to ask us for backing.If and when they do come back and they get there 4 OR 5 sundays off who will be caught to cover them us HDTMS.And to make it worse they did not even consult us about it.They 25 lads that came in and i must say off 10 who did not go out i have great respect for they want to work and they should not be called scabs or other names the lads out side are fighting a losing battle they are not going to win the company are flying at the moment trucks leaving on time etc.To the people off CORKand IRELAND do not feel sorry for them

mcko · 28-04-2012 8:24am

Sad situation for all, same old story the bosses divide and rule.

Show Time · 28-04-2012 9:26am

mcko wrote: »

Sad situation for all, same old story the bosses divide and rule.

It looks more like it is only a few of the workers who are are fault for this one.

bassboot · 28-04-2012 9:34am

mcko wrote: »

Sad situation for all, same old story the bosses divide and rule.

So true. Kind of disheartening seeing fellow workers turn on each other so readily. The only winners will be management who are now in a position whereby they can now play one group off another knowing that there is zero solidarity amongst workers. The tit for tat attitude will get nobody anywhere, it simply means that HR can alternate which workers they want to target for certain policies safe in the knowledge that workers on a different contract will stand by let it happen because it 'doesn't involve them.'

The union showed an incredible lack of foresight by allowing a new contract to be signed off whereby staff got paid by the hour. Those staff were effectively exempt from this dispute, had no vote in the process and would have been fired had they joined the picket, and this weakened the effectiveness of the strike as a result. How a workforce can be so fractured and hostile towards each other is a sad indictment of union policy over the years. There should be over 200 workers in this together, instead you have factions on different contracts and you only have to look at some of the above comments to see how poisonous the atmosphere is. And yet it will probably get worse......

Korean · 28-04-2012 11:25am

For Christs sake... You are worried about a little walk to the office instead of actually doing what you are paid for? Maybe you will miss the ability to waste further time hanging around the admin office chatting to the other time wasters. Get back to work or I hope the company hires cheaper labour to replace you - maybe give me a job. It's obvious you are easily replaced by other unskilled workers

Korean · 28-04-2012 11:39am

mcko wrote: »

Sad situation for all, same old story the bosses divide and rule.

Get off the stage Mcko... Unions have crippled so much progress in this country. You seem to pick the benefits from every other company and want to demand those for the Musgrave staff.... Take one look around at just how bad things could be and count your blessings. €46k for non skilled work? I get paid €35k for the last 3 years AFTER 4 years in college. I get nowhere near the terms and conditions. If people in my job got upset every time we introduced a new OS , I would be loaded. Call this bull**** what it is - a play for money. Oh wait, you have a fight on your hands because you already get paid too much. Makes me sick

sozbox · 28-04-2012 11:46am

€46k a year to move boxes, the reasons behind high prices on the shelfs has now become abundantly clear!

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