Dolph Ziggler

JP Liz · 25-11-2009 3:45pm #1

Source: F4WOnline.com

Don't expect Dolph Ziggler's pursuit of the Intercontinental title to amount to anything soon as WWE officials have reportedly "given up on him".

As we reported a few months ago, Ziggler was scheduled to win the belt from Rey Mysterio over the Summer, however Mysterio opposed the idea and it didn't go ahead. Instead, Mysterio agreed to drop the belt to John Morrison as a result of his 30-day suspension for violating the company's drug testing policy.

Ziggler's pursuit of the Intercontinental title has been -relentless, taking part in twenty-six title matches at various events, losing all but two. On television, he has failed to retrieve the title on three pay-per-views and four separate episodes of SmackDown.

Ironically in the latest issue of WWE Magazine, Ziggler was voted as "Most Deserving of a Title Shot" among his peers in the "Superstar Survey".

WWE officials have reportedly given up on him - why?

He is one of the best up coming stars on SD

D2D · 25-11-2009 3:58pm

JP Liz wrote: »

Source: F4WOnline.com

WWE officials have reportedly given up on him - why?

He is one of the best up coming stars on SD

In the Rumours/News thread, I put this in my post. It say's he's lost 26 IC Title matchs (house and TV shows) in the space of 5 months. Surely that's a record.

I don't know what he has done wrong, tbh but watching his promo at Breaking Point w/ Pat Patterson, he's awful on the mic. His wrestling style is good and his 1 of the future but he's had/having a really bad run of luck. Rey didn't drop the title to him but did to JoMo. If Ziggler does win the IC title, I think WWE won't know what to do with him.

gimmick · 25-11-2009 4:16pm

Its a shame, but come on, giving a dude the moniker of "Dolph Ziggler" is priming the guy to be future endeavoured.

I have seen nothing but potential in the guy. Good look and can work the ring and has had a good programe with JoMo. I fail to see the problem.

JohnMc1 · 25-11-2009 4:16pm

JP Liz wrote: »

Source: F4WOnline.com

WWE officials have reportedly given up on him - why?

As your post said Rey refused to put him [another reason for me to dislike him. He's a midget HHH] over so that definitely didn't help. I guess management will always think of him as one of the Spirit Squad members.

Penn · 25-11-2009 4:39pm

Rey refusing to drop the title to him hurt him badly. Then Rey dropping it to Morrison because of his suspension meant that they couldn't take the title off Morrison too soon or he'd look weak. Ziggler was screwed either way. In my opinion, Rey should have agreed to drop the title to Ziggler when his suspension came in. It was bad enough that he wouldn't lose to Ziggler, but even worse when he failed a f*cking drugs test, had to be suspended for a month, and STILL wouldn't drop the title to him.

I really like Ziggler. I hope this doesn't damage him too much. Smackdown was supposed to be the show for really pushing guys like Punk, Ziggler and Morrison. Now Batista is there, and it seems like Rey is holding some people down.

Tricity Bendix · 25-11-2009 5:18pm

Would Rey really get a say in who beats him for the title?

Penn · 25-11-2009 5:21pm

Tricity Bendix wrote: »

Would Rey really get a say in who beats him for the title?

I'd say so. Due to the sales from his merchandise, I think he'd have a lot of say in his character and general pull backstage. If he says Dolph Ziggler isn't ready to take the title off him, I'd say creative would go with it

flahavaj · 25-11-2009 5:45pm

It wasn't that Rey didn't want to drop it to Ziggler per se. The point is he was promised a long IC title reign aonly 4 weeks prior to that after he had signed his new contract. Then the bookers totally went back on their promise and wanted to switch it over. It was at that stage that Rey put his foot down on the back of the promise that was made to him. It wasn't pareticularly Ziggler that was the problem, he didn't want to drop it to anyone.

Its not as if hes ever had a problem putting people over in teh past, even when he was World champ he was pinned byu half the roster and never complained, evn though he probably had grounds to do so.

Penn · 25-11-2009 5:59pm

flahavaj wrote: »

It wasn't that Rey didn't want to drop it to Ziggler per se. The point is he was promised a long IC title reign aonly 4 weeks prior to that after he had signed his new contract. Then the bookers totally went back on their promise and wanted to switch it over. It was at that stage that Rey put his foot down on the back of the promise that was made to him. It wasn't pareticularly Ziggler that was the problem, he didn't want to drop it to anyone.

Its not as if hes ever had a problem putting people over in teh past, even when he was World champ he was pinned byu half the roster and never complained, evn though he probably had grounds to do so.

Then what about when he got suspended and dropped it to Morrison? I mean, the most logical thing would have been to have Ziggler beat him instead of Morrison. Then maybe have him and Morrison fued for the title. Even if Morrison beat him a month later, at least Ziggler would have had the title and it would have kept his momentum going

flahavaj · 25-11-2009 6:02pm

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

Then what about when he got suspended and dropped it to Morrison? I mean, the most logical thing would have been to have Ziggler beat him instead of Morrison. Then maybe have him and Morrison fued for the title. Even if Morrison beat him a month later, at least Ziggler would have had the title and it would have kept his momentum going

That was the bookers' decision to decide who took the belt off him. Having just been done for violating wellness, I don't think Rey was ina position to call the shots on who he dropped the belt to in all fairness.

I'm not saying putting the belt on Morrison was the right decision, but I don't think blaming Rey is right either.

Penn · 25-11-2009 6:06pm

I'm just going by the posted article, but I'd agree that it probably isn't exactly how it seems there

Rjd2 · 25-11-2009 6:46pm

He better change his theme tune ASAP:pac:

currythis · 25-11-2009 7:43pm

I honestly never thought that he would amount to much,bad on the mic,average in the ring and a god awful name!

Diabhal Beag · 25-11-2009 9:00pm

I know he had a stupid name but they should have at least given him the Intercontinental Title. Another talent wasted by a stale comapny.

sky88 · 25-11-2009 9:07pm

i dont like dolph much tbh never thought hed become much of a star i find his theme song the best thing about him

jaykhunter · 25-11-2009 9:40pm

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

Then what about when he got suspended and dropped it to Morrison? I mean, the most logical thing would have been to have Ziggler beat him instead of Morrison. Then maybe have him and Morrison fued for the title. Even if Morrison beat him a month later, at least Ziggler would have had the title and it would have kept his momentum going

That's true, the logical thing would've been for Rey to drop it to Ziggler on his way out the door. I guess WWE didn't want to give Ziggler the belt under those conditions....who knows why! I truly thought that WWE gave the belt to JoMo so later (like 1-2 months later) he could lose it back to Rey Mysterio, who would then re-commence his feud with Ziggler, and lose it to him properly.

It seems that that initial thing going wrong, WWE are now gun-shy with Ziggler...Hopefully he doesn't have Kennedy syndrome and WWE end up firing him.

I'm guessing WWE kept the belt on Morrison because 1) WWE are fickle, 2) WWE have the memory of a fish outside the main event and 3) They felt bad giving Morrison a transitional run because of how well he had been featured in the months preceeding it.

I don't count house shows as canon, so Ziggler would've lost 8 title matches I think. He's friggin' done for the time being.

Best bet is to lay low and hopefully keep a job until WWE finish pushing McIntyre and get another go....or just stagnate until the next Draft (and hopefully move to RAW). A move to ECW wouldn't be the worst thing to happen - at least he'll get featured and maybe get a solid PPV match if he's champion. Best thing he can do is just work with it, improve his in-ring skills and mic-skills until the capricious Vince McMahon gives him another go.

....Or, he could tag with someone...WWE are really short on Tag Teams.

michael.etc... · 25-11-2009 11:44pm

flahavaj wrote: »

That was the bookers' decision to decide who took the belt off him. Having just been done for violating wellness, I don't think Rey was ina position to call the shots on who he dropped the belt to in all fairness.

I remember thinking, that when Rey dropped the belt to Morrison- it was a set-up because Ziggler was already booked and advertised to be competing for the gold at the PPV the following week. They wanted Ziggler if/when he won it, for it to be on PPV rather than television. And they possibly were sticking with that, but then dropped that idea once Morrison had the strap, realising that he would look like a complete bum. They dug a big whole there though and it was entirely pointless. I definitely sympathize with Rey in the whole scenario though of being ordered to dump a belt he was promised a memorable run with. It was bad business too- for me, Rey could have had the 1991 Bret Hart IC title run.

If they give up on him, they're complete muppets. He's hardly the complete package, but he has alot of potential.

DM_7 · 25-11-2009 11:48pm

I think Dolph is another Guy suffering from Smackdowns change of focus. After the Draft(s) Smackdown was very exciting. Dolph was making waves, the Hart Dynasty were looking good, Punk was the star of the show.

Now its all about Taker, Batista and Jericho.

But thats understandable. Now its RAW with the younger guys making an move. It worked well on Smackdown so they are having a go on the A Show.

Smackdown is now about feuds with established names to try and keep big names on PPVs.

Ziggler will get another chance.

JP Liz · 26-11-2009 11:56am

Would Ziggler work as a face?

SD lacking faces at the moment

Handsome Bob · 26-11-2009 12:57pm

JP Liz wrote: »

Would Ziggler work as a face?

SD lacking faces at the moment

With the current gimmick he'd come across as a dorky/bufoonish face, which isn't really what the audience want in their faces.

geeky · 26-11-2009 2:03pm

LZ5by5 wrote: »

With the current gimmick he'd come across as a dorky/bufoonish face, which isn't really what the audience want in their faces.

Arguably it worked for Christian....

jaykhunter · 26-11-2009 5:20pm

Am I right in saying most faces start as heel and turn face? So it's more 'the crowd get behind him' then really a face turn

I think he could try it, but it's entirely too soon. I don't think he endears himself to the crowd with his hair either...maybe! He should just wait it out rather.

Fitzy101 · 26-11-2009 6:41pm

same news came out today about Swagger

please dont tell me they are gonna waste 2 GREAT talents

Furious-Red · 26-11-2009 8:07pm

Credit: F4WOnline.com

The latest issue of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter reports that WWE has "given up" on pushing Jack Swagger to superstardom as he has not quite panned out as officials had initially hoped.

When he first showed up on the WWE scene a little over a year ago, "The All-American American" was pegged as the future of the company due to his tremendous size. Nowadays, he's considered a comedy figure ranked slightly lower than Chavo Guerrero on the RAW pecking order. Furthermore, some feel he's in danger of becoming "this year's Chris Masters." .

D2D · 26-11-2009 8:12pm

Furious-Red wrote: »

Credit: F4WOnline.com

The latest issue of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter reports that WWE has "given up" on pushing Jack Swagger to superstardom as he has not quite panned out as officials had initially hoped.

When he first showed up on the WWE scene a little over a year ago, "The All-American American" was pegged as the future of the company due to his tremendous size. Nowadays, he's considered a comedy figure ranked slightly lower than Chavo Guerrero on the RAW pecking order. Furthermore, some feel he's in danger of becoming "this year's Chris Masters." .

Ouch, moving Swagger to Raw was done way too soon. He would've been much better if he stay'd in ECW.

Why are WWE just "giving up" on the likes of Swagger and Ziggler?? They have so much potential, it's unbelievable

michael.etc... · 26-11-2009 8:13pm

Furious-Red wrote: »

Credit: F4WOnline.com

The latest issue of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter reports that WWE has "given up" on pushing Jack Swagger to superstardom as he has not quite panned out as officials had initially hoped.

When he first showed up on the WWE scene a little over a year ago, "The All-American American" was pegged as the future of the company due to his tremendous size. Nowadays, he's considered a comedy figure ranked slightly lower than Chavo Guerrero on the RAW pecking order. Furthermore, some feel he's in danger of becoming "this year's Chris Masters." .

This is the impression they've given lately on TV for sure. It's so wasteful though, it boggles my mind how useless they are at developing newcomers, especially those with the talent of Swagger. Mouth-piece, inventive scenarios, fresh matches- there you go. Instead, he's been given the "athletic big-man" treatment. Ugh.

Rjd2 · 26-11-2009 8:58pm

Furious-Red wrote: »

Credit: F4WOnline.com

The latest issue of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter reports that WWE has "given up" on pushing Jack Swagger to superstardom as he has not quite panned out as officials had initially hoped.

When he first showed up on the WWE scene a little over a year ago, "The All-American American" was pegged as the future of the company due to his tremendous size. Nowadays, he's considered a comedy figure ranked slightly lower than Chavo Guerrero on the RAW pecking order. Furthermore, some feel he's in danger of becoming "this year's Chris Masters." .

So Swagger is meant to get over how? Trading victories with Evan Bourne? His random feud with MVP which went nowhere? Give him a storyline random matches don’t work for anyone just ask Bourne and Jo Mo.

jaykhunter · 26-11-2009 9:10pm

This didn't need to be reported, everyone can see how WWE has completely stalled the pushes of Swagger and Ziggler. They just have to keep a job until fickle WWE come back around to them.

DM_7 · 26-11-2009 9:12pm

Are WWE not right to test out guys, build them up a bit, bring them down to earth and see how they respond?

I mean how long did HBK or Bret Hart, even HHH take to rise to the top. They all had moments of progress followed by backward movement before eventually rising to the top of the pro wrestling ladder.

Rjd2 · 26-11-2009 9:23pm

DM-ICE wrote: »

Are WWE not right to test out guys, build them up a bit, bring them down to earth and see how they respond?

.

Yep its worked out superbly for MVP. :eek:
You can bury guys like Ziggler and Swagger but once you decide to build them up again, its going to be extra hard to get the audience to care for them. Swagger is to good to be given up on especially when inferior workers like Sheamus are getting serious pushes.

DM_7 · 26-11-2009 9:55pm

Rjd2 wrote: »

Yep its worked out superbly for MVP. :eek:
You can bury guys like Ziggler and Swagger but once you decide to build them up again, its going to be extra hard to get the audience to care for them. Swagger is to good to be given up on especially when inferior workers like Sheamus are getting serious pushes.

None of the names you mentioned were buried. I think you are thinking of Carltio who responded terribly to any challenges put on front of him. Can you imagine the disaster WWE would of had on their hands if they pushed Carlito without testing his metal first.

It takes years for most guys to build a profile that allows them become major players and fans to begin to accept it. Look at how long it took many fans to start accepting Punk despite the years he had outside WWE. If it wasn't for Jeff Hardy's popularity even less people would care about Punk. Now I think of It Jeff is proof of how the cream can rise even if they mess up, but they have to keep trying to prove themselves, don't give up like carlito. Jeff proved himself a star even when booked in a way that held him back. Its up to Swagger and Ziggler to prove themselves too.

We both want to see guys getting a fair crack at being a star. Dolph and Swagger will get a chance once they prove they are ready.

If I was Vince I would want to see them proving they are in it for the long run before investing serious time in them. Otherwise you get a disaster case who can't deal with the lifestyle or a guy who ****s off like Brock.

Jolt2007 · 26-11-2009 10:42pm

DM-ICE wrote: »

None of the names you mentioned were buried. I think you are thinking of Carltio who responded terribly to any challenges put on front of him. Can you imagine the disaster WWE would of had on their hands if they pushed Carlito without testing his metal first.

It takes years for most guys to build a profile that allows them become major players and fans to begin to accept it. Look at how long it took many fans to start accepting Punk despite the years he had outside WWE. If it wasn't for Jeff Hardy's popularity even less people would care about Punk. Now I think of It Jeff is proof of how the cream can rise even if they mess up, but they have to keep trying to prove themselves, don't give up like carlito. Jeff proved himself a star even when booked in a way that held him back. Its up to Swagger and Ziggler to prove themselves too.

We both want to see guys getting a fair crack at being a star. Dolph and Swagger will get a chance once they prove they are ready.

If I was Vince I would want to see them proving they are in it for the long run before investing serious time in them. Otherwise you get a disaster case who can't deal with the lifestyle or a guy who ****s off like Brock.

I was thinking it could be something along the same lines. With the amateur backgrounds Ziggler and Swagger have it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Vince was paranoid that they might leave for MMA at some point, especially if Shane is going to the UFC. If that's the reason it's somewhat understandable, slightly, I guess, kind of...

Paulegend · 27-11-2009 1:11am

i dont like dolph myself but how would rey get that much of a say when he was been suspended for being naughty????

i mean come on...................

jaykhunter · 27-11-2009 3:10am

You bring up some interesting points, DM-ICE. Good job!

Giving Carlito little pushes here and there was a good idea to see if he's passionate about the business - he clearly isn't - but who knows if the passion was not killed by given little pushes here and there? That said, his character never evolved, or progressed, so I wouldn't put him more than IC/US title status...All we can say for certain is that he doesn't care about WWE now.

My theory is that, even though talent are ready for a push, they make them wait it out a few years to
1) see what they're like when they're stagnant (i.e. prove that they love WWE) and
2) Give them something to do when they're older (aka not 'blow their load' when they're so young in their careers, have them 'finally' lift that world title.)

I do agree that WWE have the 'right' to test people, but WWE are highly reticent to commit to pushing a mid-carder. They push the bare minimum possible. If they didn't have such hang-ups of giving more people keys to the main event washroom, they wouldn't have the mind-numbingly stale main event scene.

I also bring up the point that WWE fans are starving for new talent. Anyone half decent, the crowd will react to (Kozlov, Khali are far away from being half decent!)...there's no downside to giving Ziggler or Swagger a run with the midcard title, since the belt means nothing anyway. In fact, it would be a great idea, because it would give them more responsibilities and see how they cope with being a little further up the card.

"Look at how long it took many fans to start accepting Punk despite the years he had outside WWE."

Although it's on a much smaller scale, CM Punk proved he could wrestle and cut promos before he went to WWE. You'll recall he was the most over guy at Survivor Series 2006 (where even Triple H had to admit it when cutting his DX promo), he was crazy over in general. He immediately had the crowd hooked - he has that X-factor. WWE purposefully de-pushed him but taking away his 'different' style of wrestling and took him off the mic. Creatively WWE buried Punk, offering re-starts and stops so the vast majority stopped caring about Punk. Finally -out of nowhere; ending his losing streak- they decide to push him again (maybe it was because they didn't want to push Christian at MITB, who knows). WWE decide to put 'the machine' behind him and give him main-event storylines, and the fans warm to it. But that's only because WWE warmed to him.

I submit to you that WWE knowingly sabotaged Punk's inital push (he was already over) because then Vince McMahon couldn't say "I made CM Punk". But if you bury him long enough, so that he's no longer over, and build him back up, Vince can say "I made CM Punk. He wasn't over but we made him over". Is that ludicrous? To me it seems that if mid-carders last long enough in WWE (i.e., don't get fired) they'll get a main-event push. Of course there are exceptions, like Shelton Benjamin...who I'd put in the 'Carlito' file.

I'm using CM Punk as an example, but people like RVD, and Booker T, did eventually get their runs...but they were clearly ready years before that happened.

jaykhunter · 27-11-2009 3:13am

Jeff Hardy is an odd case. He has that intangible x-factor (not the move) that the crowd really respond to -- and always have in droves since 1999. I think Jeff's passion for the business has always been in question, and rightly so. He's proven many times over that he can't be trusted. Despite that WWE still decided to put the belt on him (albeit on a worthless PPV and the worst title reign since Rey Mysterio). Ziggler and Swagger will never have the connection that Jeff Hardy does with the audience. It's not something you can train for or, for the most part, work at, it's just something you have. I hold WWE harmless for Jeff Hardy, it's always been Jeff Hardy holding Jeff Hardy back.

Anyway, what I'm saying is that mid-carders are always a month or two away from being ready for the mid-card title, and WWE have a serious complex about elevating talent. "Guys aren't ready" etc etc, like Rob Van Dam, Booker T, etc? Ridiculous. I think that's just scaremongering tactics (I'm not pointing fingers, Triple H!)

But yes, definitely, they've got talent and they''ll get their chance...Hopefully they won't be dropped, like Elijah Burke, and become a street-pimp.

I'd also like to bring up that WWE brought Brock Lesnar on themselves. They motor'ed him through OVW (6 months?) and brought him on TV immediately. 4 months later he was Undisputed Champion. Even though he's highly credible as a champion, he's still too young in the business. WWE booked him like he was on borrowed time. He had not had a proper feud before winning the belt and taking it to Smackdown - and that's a shame. Maybe WWE would've found out that they backed another stray horse without committing themselves if they hadn't blown their load with Brock as quick as possible.

It was a huge shame that Lesnar didn't face -well, almost every main-eventer in a feud - Triple H immediately springs to mind. But great performances with RVD and Test, both could've been feuds....

Anyway, there's my 2 cents. But by the length of the texts, it's 5 or 6 cents :pac::pac::pac:

davrho · 27-11-2009 3:20am

The bottom line here is the shareholders dont think Dolph can make them money. Dance it up any other way but reality is there to see.

jaykhunter · 27-11-2009 3:42am

The McMahons own about 69% of the stock, but carry 95% of the voting rights as most of the shares carry very limited (if it all) voting rights.

(Thanks, Piledriver!

)

This really means that Vince McMahon has complete authority to book whatever he wants, Shareholders have no creative power whatsoever. Vince used company money in his terrible Million Dollar Mania (

:D). He can push whoever he likes. It's him (Steph and Trips too) Ziggler has to please!

DM_7 · 27-11-2009 8:04pm

I enjoyed reading your posts jaykhunter.

I agree with alot of your thoughts. Especially WWE only have themselves to blame for Brock, they did take Punk down when he was popular at an early stage and there is little to be lost by giving a mid card title to someone.

Just the RVD and booker examples may not be the best. RVD was a pot head while booker was a wcw guy. Vince was always going to take a long time to get behind them.

TheCandystripes · 27-11-2009 9:57pm

Ziggler wasnt even the best in Spirit Squad. He was the guy who did nothing. Doane and Jeter were epic.

gimmick · 27-11-2009 10:03pm

Just because he did not stand out then does not count for much. It is very easy to be lost in such a big group. Thing is, is that Zigglers work ethic may be a lot stronger than the 2 you mentioned, hence the reason he is bring pushed and the others never got anywhere.

Rjd2 · 28-11-2009 12:31am

DM-ICE wrote: »

None of the names you mentioned were buried. I think you are thinking of Carltio who responded terribly to any challenges put on front of him. Can you imagine the disaster WWE would of had on their hands if they pushed Carlito without testing his metal first.

We both want to see guys getting a fair crack at being a star. Dolph and Swagger will get a chance once they prove they are ready.

.

Carlito got a brutal burial from son in law cant really blame him for getting disillusioned with the company, the boy was over in 2006 and 2007 but people like to forget that.
Ziggler has been around for years and was treated pretty miserably in his spirit squad days by son in law and his BBF and he spent a solid year jobbing on Raw after his re debut. Its going to take some incredible work for the E to get him over but heh he can look at MVP and how he bounced back from his losing streak. :pac:

Riddle101 · 28-11-2009 12:42am

I don't know if I can believe that Rey Mysterio would actually refuse to job to Ziggler. Unless he really wanted to drop it to John Morrison but still, that seems cold for someone to basically put down another talent. Rey dosen't strike me as the a guy who would refuse to job, especially since a lot of people have gone out of their way to make Rey look good when they could have easily refused to job to him.

jaykhunter · 28-11-2009 7:13pm

DM-ICE wrote: »

Just the RVD and booker examples may not be the best. RVD was a pot head while booker was a wcw guy. Vince was always going to take a long time to get behind them.

:pac::pac::pac: Pot-head!

I think it boils down to "Vince didn't create them" syndrome. Vince (apparently) honestly thinks he's responsible for the fans chanting ECW! (Which is a completely ridiculous train of thought.) The main points against RVD (over the years) was that he was 'inconsistent' and well, Triple H hated him. RVD always had a decent match, maybe it was his loyalty to WWE wasn't through-and-through, and so WWE were hesitant to push him. I can't recall any bad RVD matches. I think it's a bit of scare-mongering. RVD has always had a solid fan following, despite not doing much from 2002-2006 :eek::) (except for his title run month

)

About pot, I personally don't smoke it but if it keeps wrestlers from using 'harder' painkillers, I'm all for it. If RVD's willing to pay the fine for using pot (it's gone up from $1,000 to $2,500 :P) then let him use it. I'd much rather have an army of pot-heads than wrestlers addicted to painkillers (aka accidental death waiting to happen

)

But yeah, I'm sure Vince didn't want pot-advocate RVD as the face of the company...it's WWE's loss....

The idea of bringing in WCW talent and burying them for years and years is just ridiculous! It also smacks of jealousy that someone can get over despite WWE... It's really spiteful, and a bad way to do business. Both the wrestler and the company lose out...The inVasion of 2001 was botched so badly -on purpose- that WWE mandated that it not be included in the newest Rise & Fall of WCW DVD... that inVasion angle was intended to bury WCW and all of it's talent instead of making money...boggles the mind! I'll never understand why WWE don't want 20 main eventers instead of 5... Any thoughts?

jaykhunter · 28-11-2009 7:15pm

Riddle101 wrote: »

I don't know if I can believe that Rey Mysterio would actually refuse to job to Ziggler.

I think it was more of a case of Mysterio doesn't want to lose his belt, and as a consequence his opponents won't win the belt. I don't understand why he didn't lose it to Ziggler on the way out...I mentioned a few ideas why above.

DM_7 · 28-11-2009 7:50pm

Rjd2 wrote: »

Carlito got a brutal burial from son in law cant really blame him for getting disillusioned with the company, the boy was over in 2006 and 2007 but people like to forget that.
Ziggler has been around for years and was treated pretty miserably in his spirit squad days by son in law and his BBF and he spent a solid year jobbing on Raw after his re debut. Its going to take some incredible work for the E to get him over but heh he can look at MVP and how he bounced back from his losing streak. :pac:

Carlito was over in fans eyes but why was that? He was made US champ on his debut, he showed plenty of effort whan things were going well. But when he was tested he failed the test. He got sloppy in the ring and showed no desire at all. Look how long it took Bret hart to reach the top, years and years but he never gave up no matter what lump he was stuck wrestling with.

Ziggler is a long time wwe employee. He isn't even 30 yet. If he puts the effort, keeps learning and shows desire he will be fine.

I can't explain the MVP one. He was a very good heel.

Rjd2 · 28-11-2009 7:56pm

On Carlito...
He was over, and he looked creditable against guys like Cena but when Hunter went on his infamous burial spree of late 2007 he was the main victim. Not his fault that Son in Law needed an ego boost. He was also very good in the tag team with his brother until his bizarre heel turn. The lad would make an excellent face on a non Hunter show preferably ECW as well.

DM_7 · 28-11-2009 8:06pm

Rjd2 wrote: »

On Carlito...
He was over, and he looked creditable against guys like Cena but when Hunter went on his infamous burial spree of late 2007 he was the main victim. Not his fault that Son in Law needed an ego boost. He was also very good in the tag team with his brother until his bizarre heel turn. The lad would make an excellent face on a non Hunter show preferably ECW as well.

Well if you enjoy his work that fair enough.

I think he has the talent but alot of the time he looks like a guy that doesn't care, to me anyways.

Ziggler would love to have Carlitos charisma to go with his intensity.

JP Liz · 02-12-2009 4:29pm

The 2009 Holiday issue of WWE Magazine features an interview with Dolph Ziggler, in which he predicts when he will become a World Champion in WWE:

"Well, my first goal is winning the Intercontinental Championship," Ziggler responded after being asked how long it will be before he hoists a World Championship above his head. "I've given myself six months to do it, and right now I'm nearing the five-month mark. After that, I plan to establish myself as the greatest Intercontinental Champion ever. A year and a half after that, I will become a World Champion."

geeky · 02-12-2009 6:04pm

JP Liz wrote: »

The 2009 Holiday issue of WWE Magazine features an interview with Dolph Ziggler, in which he predicts when he will become a World Champion in WWE:

"Well, my first goal is winning the Intercontinental Championship," Ziggler responded after being asked how long it will be before he hoists a World Championship above his head. "I've given myself six months to do it, and right now I'm nearing the five-month mark. After that, I plan to establish myself as the greatest Intercontinental Champion ever. A year and a half after that, I will become a World Champion."

So it seems wee Dolph is either getting the strap in the next month (freeing up Jo-mo to get some upper-midcard/fringes of the main event feuds going)... or they're setting him up for a fall. Guess we'll know soon enough

Rjd2 · 02-12-2009 6:23pm

geeky wrote: »

So it seems wee Dolph is either getting the strap in the next month (freeing up Jo-mo to get some upper-midcard/fringes of the main event feuds going)... or they're setting him up for a fall. Guess we'll know soon enough

Well seeing as Jo Mo has been working with Drew on house shows and they have a match on Smackdown, I think Dolph won't be seeing gold for a long time. :eek:

geeky · 02-12-2009 6:30pm

Rjd2 wrote: »

Well seeing as Jo Mo has been working with Drew on house shows and they have a match on Smackdown, I think Dolph won't be seeing gold for a long time. :eek:

Booooo! I cheered for him like bejaysus when they were at the 02. My 9-year-old brother-in-law did too (respect). Guess the fatcats in WWE didn't hear... :mad:

Dolph Ziggler

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