Nissan Pulsar VZR

Yakult · 22-06-2008 11:06pm #1

So my savings for a new car has started and roughly will be spending 7000-8000e. Two cars pop into my head straight away, a Nissan Pulsar VZR 1.6 and a Honda Civic Type R.

Im wondering what would be better? In terms of performance and reliability.

Tenzor07 · 22-06-2008 11:11pm

Honda Civic Type R.

S.I.R · 22-06-2008 11:42pm

the pulsar has been using the same engine for 15 years, would take it over the civic any day as all it is is a hatchback with up-rated cams, tuned ecu and crankshaft.... parts are around... a sport model sunny can be bought for as little as 200 quid and the engine is worth that alone....
e too common and well...

civics are all too common place, therethe idiots way out.... kinda like a blaggers kinda car where you have an ok amount of power, Heeps of understeer and zero torque....

VSR all the way though the earlier uglier GTI-R has more power.... there very expencive to insure....

try to get the vsr in the rare blue...

SV · 22-06-2008 11:56pm

Get the Civic Type R.

and S.I.R, that might be true for a standard 1.4 civic, it is NOT true for a type R, no way.
Have you ever drove one?

challengemaster · 23-06-2008 12:01am

Mate of mine has a pulsar @ ~200 bhp

copeyhagen · 23-06-2008 12:18am

ek9 type r are a lovely car to drive imo and have driven one with 200+ brake..serious power

Yakult · 23-06-2008 1:32am

Really mixed reviews dammit lol!

around where I live theirs a few ek9 Type R's and they are beasts. theirs 4-5 of them. They are brilliant cars no doubt, I havent yet seen a pulsar in person nor driven one so its kinda one sided that way.

Tho isnt the engine in the Pulsar compared to a vtech. Like Nissans take on it?

Another car I might consider is a Nissan Almera 2L GTI.

23-06-2008 10:13am

Take Sir's advice with a bucket of salt there.......

Theres no comparision between and EK9 and vzr pulsar,possible a vzr N1 but for just a vzr or even a gti almera the EK9 is a winner in every department,there in 2 different leagues with the EK9 miles ahead!

The easiest way for you to decide is to drive both, or all 3,if you can insure the civic go for it

copeyhagen · 23-06-2008 10:18am

theres a white pulsar vzr out in jap cars beside kart city, full of cowboys but you will get to see what their like. they had one there last week anyways.

im in the market for a new car myself and its between an ek9, 180sx, silvia or evo 4.

the ek9's vtech is almost as nice as my euro r's, thats why its up there with the tubos

Atomic Pineapple · 23-06-2008 12:36pm

R_H_C_P wrote: »

Really mixed reviews dammit lol!

around where I live theirs a few ek9 Type R's and they are beasts. theirs 4-5 of them. They are brilliant cars no doubt, I havent yet seen a pulsar in person nor driven one so its kinda one sided that way.

Tho isnt the engine in the Pulsar compared to a vtech. Like Nissans take on it?

Another car I might consider is a Nissan Almera 2L GTI.

The Vzr has a two stage cam profile unlike the Ek9 where it has one hard sharp kick and away it goes the Vzr gradually ups the power at the two different stages so its more progressive than VTEC.

The reason the Ek9 is more popular over the Vzr is because its simply in a different league, it handles better, has more power, looks way better, theres alot more performance parts available, its just all round a much better than the Vzr.

You'd have to look at a Vzr N1 which is extremely rare to give it a chance against a Ek9.

I'd go for the Ek9 myself if you can live with them being so common, Have you thought about any of the mitsubishi mivecs??

rALLy · 23-06-2008 5:02pm

I own a VZR, the blue top engine. There quick and handle well, not too many of them about so thats a plus. I have the 5 door Autech model with the Momo steering wheel etc...

There aint a lot of performance parts out there compared to Civics but the likes of Couture Auto stock decats and full exhaust systems and the suspension and brakes are the same as the Almera GTI so there are plenty of performance parts in that area.

Tenzor07 · 23-06-2008 7:03pm

Have a look at this: http://www.icetronix.com/index.aspx?page=video

There's a video there of a Civic vs. a New Model BMW M5!
The Civic even passes the M5!

Atomic Pineapple · 23-06-2008 7:54pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Have a look at this: http://www.icetronix.com/index.aspx?page=video

There's a video there of a Civic vs. a New Model BMW M5!
The Civic even passes the M5!

Thats a highly tuned car with a K20 engine transplant though, no comparison to a normal civic

Yakult · 23-06-2008 9:20pm

draffodx wrote: »

The Vzr has a two stage cam profile unlike the Ek9 where it has one hard sharp kick and away it goes the Vzr gradually ups the power at the two different stages so its more progressive than VTECH.

The reason the Ek9 is more popular over the Vzr is because its simply in a different league, it handles better, has more power, looks way better, theres alot more performance parts available, its just all round a much better than the Vzr.

You'd have to look at a Vzr N1 which is extremely rare to give it a chance against a Ek9.

I'd go for the Ek9 myself if you can live with them being so common, Have you thought about any of the mitsubishi mivecs??

Well I dont really care about how common once its better.

The only Mitsubishi I would be interested in would be an Fto. But I will see how much they would go for.

I'd say I will go for a civic from the way things are looking.

Looking at a few type R's tho,

What does "Spoon" mean? and whats the difference between a Sir and ek9?

Tenzor07 · 24-06-2008 7:05pm

"Spoon" relates to "SpoonSports" who supply top quality performance aftermarket parts for Honda's

SiR's are Civic's with the 1.6 DOHC Vtec Non-Type-r engines. EK9 is the Honda model name for the 96-00 Civic Type-R.

Have a look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl8T9KFgjWc

S.I.R · 24-06-2008 7:38pm

ClioV6 wrote: »

Get the Civic Type R.

and S.I.R, that might be true for a standard 1.4 civic, it is NOT true for a type R, no way.
Have you ever drove one?

driven both eg ( sir with the ek4 engine conversion ) right upto the 06 conversion... extremely underpowered.

note to self - never corner in a civic....

also draffodx, unlike you Ricers, its not Vtech or vtek or vtex, its vtec... i understand its difficult to remember 4 little letters but heres the start of recovering from the buzz you get by talking about the most over rated car ever made.

on another note:

if you still need more performance, a CA10 engine can be sourced easy in ireland.... suits low end tourqe but there great engines...

unlike the honda engines... with the " off the power.... still off the power " engines.

Tenzor07 · 24-06-2008 8:33pm

We all know they dont have bags of low-down torque, but you cannot deny their mass market appeal, tunabilty, cost and the fact that they produce the highest BHP figure for n/a cars! An economical car that is as happy driving to work as on the track..

Anyhow, the OP had made his choice, EK9 it is, right the Civic has a bit of a scanger image, but a nice clean standard looking CTR will set it apart from the rest.

Personally I will stick with the DC5 Integra, and possibly switch for a CL7 Accord Euro-R.

** Is'nt "Ricer" an American term usually banded around by guys driving 8 litre Mustangs??

Atomic Pineapple · 24-06-2008 8:55pm

S.I.R wrote: »

also draffodx, unlike you Ricers, .

I take that as a personal insult, what you describe as a "ricer" is the complete opposite to me and you are baseing it solely on my choice of car, I dont mind you giving your opinion on cars but stereotyping someone because of there choice of car is such a typical irish thing, fair enough if its not good enough for you but other people are allowed to have there opinions too and there far from stereotypical "ricers" just because they do.

S.I.R wrote: »

its not Vtech or vtek or vtex, its vtec... i understand its difficult to remember 4 little letters but heres the start of recovering from the buzz you get by talking about the most over rated car ever made.

Thats the first time I've misspelt it, I'm well aware its VTEC and if you want to go fully correct on it, its all in capital letters so vtec is technically incorrect.
Again your being derogatory towards someone because of there choice of car

S.I.R wrote: »

unlike the honda engines... with the " off the power.... still off the power " engines.

As has been stated the whole aim of Honda's Type R range was to provide a car than be driven daily but also be fun to drive with some power, there not designed for all out power, they sacrifice torque to do this, you have a normal 130bhp car under 5800 rpm and you have a 190bhp car over 5800rpm when you want to use it.

Your only "off the power" as you put it when you want to be, anyone with experience driving a VTEC will have no trouble keeping it in the high power band width.

peasant · 24-06-2008 9:34pm

Warning for S.I.R. ...lay off the sterotypes

Yakult · 25-06-2008 12:46am

Im gonna go up to dublin this week and test drive a pulsar and type R. Just to make sure Im making the right choice.

are Japcars nice guys when it comes to a test drive?

JimmyCrackCorn! · 25-06-2008 11:41am

R_H_C_P wrote: »

Im gonna go up to dublin this week and test drive a pulsar and type R. Just to make sure Im making the right choice.

are Japcars nice guys when it comes to a test drive?

I personally would be hunting these cars privately rather than through an importer. The market being the way it is you will probably save quite a bit.

Best of luck. Iv driven both cars in close to factory state. (larger wheels + induction kits). VZR had grooved disks and uprated pads.

I have to say i prefer the VZR on the grounds that it was far easier to live with day to day as when de-bagged it drew no attention.:D
With the badge on the other hand it drew plenty and i had a hyundai coupe

and civics driving up my ass all the time.:(

The Civic on the other hand was a white Type-R. It had a slight handling advantage. Breaking was fantastic on The VZR but this was due to modification.
My complaint on the Civic was i never got through a checkpoint without being stopped and it was a regular occurrence to have people driving up my arse looking to race.

As for the SIR with transplant being a type-r. Thats just untrue. An SIR is a base model. You cant just swap the engines put some stickers on and call it shurley.

The Type-r had weight reduction a different gearbox and (depending on generation) stiffer chassis, better brakes.

copeyhagen · 25-06-2008 4:53pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Personally I will stick with the DC5 Integra, and possibly switch for a CL7 Accord Euro-R.

still tryin to shift my euro r off carzone ; )

R_H_C_P wrote: »

Im gonna go up to dublin this week and test drive a pulsar and type R. Just to make sure Im making the right choice.

are Japcars nice guys when it comes to a test drive?

nah theyre shams look at the other thread where everyone is talkin about them. chaps a joke

anyone drivin a dc2 teg?

i think im gonna knock the turbo cars on the head and either go for a ek9 or a dc2.

think atm the dc2 is the winner.

Tenzor07 · 25-06-2008 6:28pm

copeyhagen wrote: »

still tryin to shift my euro r off carzone ; )

nah theyre shams look at the other thread where everyone is talkin about them. chaps a joke

anyone drivin a dc2 teg?

i think im gonna knock the turbo cars on the head and either go for a ek9 or a dc2.

think atm the dc2 is the winner.

Is it a CL7 or a CL1? Which ever it is, id keep both over the DC2!
CL7's are a great way to have K20 in a "family saloon" car...

thesoulfulldude · 25-06-2008 6:32pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Have a look at this: http://www.icetronix.com/index.aspx?page=video

There's a video there of a Civic vs. a New Model BMW M5!
The Civic even passes the M5!

the civic has power nowhere near the m5, your man driving the m5 was scared he'd crash doing around the corner FACT look at it on the stright its destroys the civic, also that civic has had an engine conversion

Tenzor07 · 25-06-2008 7:30pm

thesoulfulldude wrote: »

the civic has power nowhere near the m5, your man driving the m5 was scared he'd crash doing around the corner FACT look at it on the stright its destroys the civic, also that civic has had an engine conversion

The whole point of that is to show the OP how the Civic can be tuned up, and how it performs against a 500BHP+ €100k+ Car...

thesoulfulldude · 25-06-2008 7:43pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

The whole point of that is to show the OP how the Civic can be tuned up, and how it performs against a 500BHP+ €100k+ Car...

well then it doesnt do very well, also civics are made of plastics, bmw's arnt, you pay for what you get if your just after power get the new nissan skyline, you'll just waist your money on a civic and either die in an accident cause its a tin box or not get your money back cause well its a civic

Tenzor07 · 25-06-2008 7:50pm

thesoulfulldude wrote: »

well then it doesnt do very well, also civics are made of plastics, bmw's arnt, you pay for what you get if your just after power get the new nissan skyline, you'll just waist your money on a civic and either die in an accident cause its a tin box or not get your money back cause well its a civic

The OP did'nt ask about BMW's or Skyline's costing around €100k+, he's asked about Civic's, which is what he will buy...

And im sure any capable, careful driver would not loose his life! :eek:

copeyhagen · 25-06-2008 8:40pm

thesoulfulldude wrote: »

well then it doesnt do very well, also civics are made of plastics, bmw's arnt, you pay for what you get if your just after power get the new nissan skyline, you'll just waist your money on a civic and either die in an accident cause its a tin box or not get your money back cause well its a civic

havent a clue!!

copeyhagen · 25-06-2008 8:43pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Is it a CL7 or a CL1? Which ever it is, id keep both over the DC2!
CL7's are a great way to have K20 in a "family saloon" car...

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/Honda/Accord/Torneo-Euro/1091403/

nah its a 00 torneo euro r

thesoulfulldude · 25-06-2008 8:57pm

copeyhagen wrote: »

havent a clue!!

whats not to have a clue about? little skobies drive civics, and you dont compare a civic to a bmw, end of

thesoulfulldude · 25-06-2008 9:00pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

The OP did'nt ask about BMW's or Skyline's costing around €100k+, he's asked about Civic's, which is what he will buy...

And im sure any capable, careful driver would not loose his life! :eek:

by the way skyline is well under 100k! and no alot of people buy these cars and have an accident cause they cant handle the power

copeyhagen · 25-06-2008 9:46pm

thesoulfulldude wrote: »

whats not to have a clue about? little skobies drive civics, and you dont compare a civic to a bmw, end of

so every person that drives a civic is a "skobie"

well done.

and give me a jap car over a european car every time.

especially bmws

bmws are more common than hondas these days..round my way anyway.

thesoulfulldude · 25-06-2008 10:12pm

copeyhagen wrote: »

so every person that drives a civic is a "skobie"

well done.

and give me a jap car over a european car every time.

especially bmws

bmws are more common than hondas these days..round my way anyway.

yeah the majority are, them a little glanza's aka starlets are skobie magnets!

dont get me wrong i like jap cars, but jap cars end at the preformance, european cars have the comfert that you just dont get with a jap car. and i wonder why there so common? eh?

Tenzor07 · 25-06-2008 10:32pm

thesoulfulldude wrote: »

whats not to have a clue about? little skobies drive civics, and you dont compare a civic to a bmw, end of

Now your Stereotyping all Honda Civic drivers as "Skobies"??

thesoulfulldude · 25-06-2008 10:36pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Now your Stereotyping all Honda Civic drivers as "Skobies"??

no im saying skobies are attracted to them like moths, go up to a skobie and go 'what car would you like' the responce you'll get will be 'ahh jaysus i'd luv a civic or a bleedin glanza there bleedin massive so they iz'

FACT

Tenzor07 · 25-06-2008 10:52pm

thesoulfulldude wrote: »

no im saying skobies are attracted to them like moths, go up to a skobie and go 'what car would you like' the responce you'll get will be 'ahh jaysus i'd luv a civic or a bleedin glanza there bleedin massive so they iz'

Now your not only Stereotyping, but your marginalizing them as being of lower social class Dubliners!

Atomic Pineapple · 25-06-2008 11:09pm

thesoulfulldude wrote: »

FACT

Got any links to prove that its fact? :rolleyes:

You'll see just as many skangers driving bmw's as you would Hondas especially seeing as the bmw's are easy to insure and are rear wheel drive, I've seen plenty of golfs, bmw's, passats etcc with skangers driving them

Tenzor07 · 25-06-2008 11:11pm

draffodx wrote: »

Got any links to prove that its fact? :rolleyes:

You'll see just as many skangers driving bmw's as you would Hondas especially seeing as the bmw's are easy to insure and are rear wheel drive, I've seen plenty of golfs, bmw's, passats etcc with skangers driving them

I think this "guy" maybe related to the other Jap/Honda hater, "s.i.r"!

thesoulfulldude · 25-06-2008 11:17pm

draffodx wrote: »

Got any links to prove that its fact? :rolleyes:

You'll see just as many skangers driving bmw's as you would Hondas especially seeing as the bmw's are easy to insure and are rear wheel drive, I've seen plenty of golfs, bmw's, passats etcc with skangers driving them

http://www.bebo.com/HONDACIVICCLUB

look tru the members and comments, im not giving you links to peoples pages.

and no im sorry i dont know where your from but where im from the people driving bmw, passats, mercs, saabs ect are upper class business men! you might get the odd trav bag driving an old 3series but very rare!

thesoulfulldude · 25-06-2008 11:18pm

hey just to define what a scumbag is

S.I.R · 25-06-2008 11:27pm

draffodx wrote: »

Your only "off the power" as you put it when you want to be, anyone with experience driving a VTEC will have no trouble keeping it in the high power band width.

Thats the problem, you have to actually push a honda to get performance... i personally prefare cars with power all over the rev band ( such as bmws.... even 316i's. )

if you want a car that you can and should abuse all day long then by all means, every man to his own but its just my opinion...

as for the northsider bmw thing, its quiet comment a mate of mine has a 320i 1990 e36 beemer and well, tbh all i can say is fair play i know myself at that age i wont have a bmw.... most likly a fiesta or something small until my insurance is lowwer and i can afford road tax then i can get the e30 of my dreams.

Getting back on topic: has the OP seen any vsr's yet ?? well worth a test drive at the least, veiw as many as you can, dont buy the first one you see !!

also make sure theres a dyno sheet to back up performace figures.

Tenzor07 · 25-06-2008 11:29pm

thesoulfulldude wrote: »

i dont know where your from but where im from the people driving bmw, passats, mercs, saabs ect are upper class business men! you might get the odd trav bag driving an old 3series but very rare!

hahaha.. Did'nt know they had cars on the moon!

thesoulfulldude · 25-06-2008 11:33pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

hahaha.. Did'nt know they had cars on the moon!

Ha ha ha ha.... ha........ ha..........................ha.......................

Tenzor07 · 25-06-2008 11:50pm

S.I.R wrote: »

as for the northsider bmw thing, its quiet comment a mate of mine has a 320i 1990 e36 beemer and well, tbh all i can say is fair play i know myself at that age i wont have a bmw.... most likly a fiesta or something small until my insurance is lowwer and i can afford road tax then i can get the e30 of my dreams.

Your not even old enough to legally drive id say, so where dya get your messed up views of VTEC's from? Magazines?

B00MSTICK · 26-06-2008 12:26am

R_H_C_P wrote:

The only Mitsubishi I would be interested in would be an Fto. But I will see how much they would go for.

I got mine less than a week ago for sub €4500. Bargain price. You should be able to get a very nice 98+ model with your budget.

I wanted something a bit different without the "scumbag/boy racer" image (not saying all you civic/teg owners are scumbags, but it only takes a minority to create a rep)

Faster than a Civic R anyway and only a bit slower than a 'teg R. Looks better too IMO.

Its impossible not to smile when MIVEC kicks in and you just listen to the sound of the V6...

Surprising easy on the petrol for me anyway.

I'll throw up some pics tomorrow once I get her clean.

Atomic Pineapple · 26-06-2008 12:40am

thesoulfulldude wrote: »

http://www.bebo.com/HONDACIVICCLUB

look tru the members and comments, im not giving you links to peoples pages.

and no im sorry i dont know where your from but where im from the people driving bmw, passats, mercs, saabs ect are upper class business men! you might get the odd trav bag driving an old 3series but very rare!

Your using a bebo page to prove that all owners of hondas are skangers? Theres no denying that theres alot of them, in the nearest town to me theres about 4 ****mobiles with skangers driving them, but I;m apart of the Integra owners club and all the members there are extremely mature and nothing like skangers at all.

I know of 3 bmw's with lexus lights and stupid looking bodykits on them in the town too driven by skangers as well, and theres plenty of people like that driving the likes of audi a3's a4's, bmw's (maybe not the expensive ones) plenty of golfs and passats.

S.I.R wrote: »

Thats the problem, you have to actually push a honda to get performance... i personally prefare cars with power all over the rev band ( such as bmws.... even 316i's. )

if you want a car that you can and should abuse all day long then by all means, every man to his own but its just my opinion...

as for the northsider bmw thing, its quiet comment a mate of mine has a 320i 1990 e36 beemer and well, tbh all i can say is fair play i know myself at that age i wont have a bmw.... most likly a fiesta or something small until my insurance is lowwer and i can afford road tax then i can get the e30 of my dreams.

Getting back on topic: has the OP seen any vsr's yet ?? well worth a test drive at the least, veiw as many as you can, dont buy the first one you see !!

also make sure theres a dyno sheet to back up performace figures.

True the honda has to be pushed but that was always the design idea, there by no means the perfect car or for everybody, I'd advise anyone thinking of one to take a good long test drive in one and see if they can adapt there driving style to suit the car because there gutless at low revs.

cheap bmw rwd cars are gonna be bought up by skangers for "diffen" or whatever its called.

Its Vzr S.I.R

Yeh the simplest thing to do is take a test drive in both, the civic will wow you though if you've never driven anything like it before because of its kick, so take a step back and compare the two ro see what suits you, remember the Vzr wont have high torque figures either but its power will kick in more smoothly

Atomic Pineapple · 26-06-2008 12:43am

B00MSTICK wrote: »

I got mine less than a week ago for sub €4500. Bargain price. You should be able to get a very nice 98+ model with your budget.

I wanted something a bit different without the "scumbag/boy racer" image (not saying all you civic/teg owners are scumbags, but it only takes a minority to create a rep)

Faster than a Civic R anyway and only a bit slower than a 'teg R. Looks better too IMO.

Its impossible not to smile when MIVEC kicks in and you just listen to the sound of the V6...

Surprising easy on the petrol for me anyway.

I'll throw up some pics tomorrow once I get her clean.

Lovely Car,

Definately get pics up and the sound of that V6 is lovely........

thesoulfulldude · 26-06-2008 12:43am

draffodx wrote: »

I;m apart of the Integra owners club and all the members there are extremely mature and nothing like skangers at all.

INTEGRA thats a diffrent story, luckly most skangers cant afford/get insurance on them! the reason civics attract scangers is there cheep, powerful and lots of mods available

Atomic Pineapple · 26-06-2008 12:47am

thesoulfulldude wrote: »

INTEGRA thats a diffrent story, luckly most skangers cant afford/get insurance on them! the reason civics attract scangers is there cheep, powerful and lots of mods available

true enough, proper mature ek9 owners are far from skangers but I know what you mean

Yakult · 26-06-2008 1:18am

I was watching a video of a standard Vzr vs. standard Type R
The Vzr did beat it. But from the look it the Type R had that bite to it that the Vzr did. The Vzr sorta slowly gained but in the long run it was better.

I might be going up to dublin this weekend to test drive both to see what I feel is best. So by next week I hopefully will have chosen what I want.

B00MSTICK wrote: »

I got mine less than a week ago for sub €4500. Bargain price. You should be able to get a very nice 98+ model with your budget.

I wanted something a bit different without the "scumbag/boy racer" image (not saying all you civic/teg owners are scumbags, but it only takes a minority to create a rep)

Faster than a Civic R anyway and only a bit slower than a 'teg R. Looks better too IMO.

Its impossible not to smile when MIVEC kicks in and you just listen to the sound of the V6...

Surprising easy on the petrol for me anyway.

I'll throw up some pics tomorrow once I get her clean.

I would be all over that because I myself love ftos. But they are 2 litre engines right? 2 litre mivecs at that. I think getting insured might be a little hassle. But if I can get a nice example for roughly the price you did I definally would consider it.

Look forward to the pictures!

Also, I think stereotyping civic owners as skangers is pretty sad. Around where I am. All the owners of serious type R's are pretty mature. They are young (not skangers btw) but they dont do the bolix because they have invested alot into their pride and joy's. I could guarantee the immature ones are driving replicas trying to show off their car and how powerfull it is.

^^I would love an integra, but no hope on getting insured I would say.

copeyhagen · 26-06-2008 10:51am

hondas have to be pushed hard becuase thats the whole point of the vtec.

most beemers are muck to drive apart from mtechs and m's obviously.

my brother had a 320 and it was fun at the time but compared to jap cars i have driven since it was muck.

hondas are bombproof, will last practicaly forever, and i hear that the vtecs will almost never go bust on the engine.

look on carzone 3 series bmws can be picked up for next to nothin but theyre waaaay more common than ek9's.

had a guy text me lat night lookin for a swap for my car for his 00 3 series m tech. just tole him wasnt interested.

would rather hold off and get myself the dc2. thats the plan.

and im a bit weary that the vzr would be faster than an ek9.. actually im very weary!!

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