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An open letter from Boards.ie to Minister Sean Sherlock

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,244 ✭✭✭AntiRip


    ACTA and what Sherlock brought in are two different things.

    Sorry, that's right. Mistakenly linked the two although Ireland had also signed this off as well. I still stand by my Sherlock statement ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    That's funny, a lot of Europeans see the EU as an unelected form of tyrannical occupational government, Please, keep pushing the people and see what happens.. :)


    'In a remarkable statement, the copyright monopoly fundamentalist Marielle Gallo of the Gallo Report infamy – says that the citizens of Europe who have been campaigning against ACTA are terrorists.'

    In a just-published interview (in French), Marielle Gallo – a Member of the European Parliament, no less – calls the anti-ACTA campaigns “A soft form of terrorism” (une forme douce de terrorisme). Yes, she really does say that the citizens of Europe, her constituency, who contact her colleagues in Parliament regarding a concerning political matter should be regarded as terrorists".


    http://www.edri.org/acta_gallo


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭RMD


    To call the EU a tyrant is a ridiculous analogy. Furthermore it is elected, we elect the MEPs who represent us.

    A politician said a ridiculous statement with little thought put into it, shocking eh?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    The 'three strikes' policy, so contentious it was removed from ACTA itself, is now active here in Ireland once again:
    Irish Record Labels Win, Court Reinstates “3 Strikes” For File-Sharing
    https://torrentfreak.com/irish-record-labels-win-court-reinstates-3-strikes-for-file-sharing-120628/

    We now have website blocking laws (which are only being selectively used now, but give it a year or two), and three strikes; we're well on the slippery slope.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,218 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The 'three strikes' policy, so contentious it was removed from ACTA itself, is now active here in Ireland once again:
    Irish Record Labels Win, Court Reinstates “3 Strikes” For File-Sharing
    https://torrentfreak.com/irish-record-labels-win-court-reinstates-3-strikes-for-file-sharing-120628/

    We now have website blocking laws (which are only being selectively used now, but give it a year or two), and three strikes; we're well on the slippery slope.

    How did the three strikes thing work out the last time it was in place? It's such an incredible exercise in futility for these interest groups and it's gobsmacking that they continue to pursue the policy of making ISPs do this. ISPs know that a large chunk of their business comes from people who use torrents, who stream, who use cyberlockers for purposes both pirate and non-pirate. Eircom will sandbag on that one as much as they can so long as they can, as they did last time. Besides, what has changed in the ID'ing tech from the last time when a number of innocents received warning letters and the whole thing was deemed as a farce?
    'In a remarkable statement, the copyright monopoly fundamentalist Marielle Gallo of the Gallo Report infamy – says that the citizens of Europe who have been campaigning against ACTA are terrorists.'

    In a just-published interview (in French), Marielle Gallo – a Member of the European Parliament, no less – calls the anti-ACTA campaigns “A soft form of terrorism” (une forme douce de terrorisme). Yes, she really does say that the citizens of Europe, her constituency, who contact her colleagues in Parliament regarding a concerning political matter should be regarded as terrorists".


    http://www.edri.org/acta_gallo



    Terrorism as a word has lost much of it's meaning. The overuse of the term shows a disturbing lack of language and lends it a newspeak propaganda like quality. Because it's used as a political weapon and there's no iron clad internationally agreed definition, it is bandied about the place like nobody's business - everyone's calling everybody else a terrorist nowadays. I think terrorism as a word has jumped the shark, not many buy into it anymore but it's continued use in spite of that only highlights the hysterical, self important, self righteous and detached views of those like Ms. Gallo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    Indeed as you say, this is how Three Strikes worked out the first time:
    ISP Wrongfully Sent 300 “First Strike” Letters To Innocents
    https://torrentfreak.com/isp-wrongfully-sent-300-first-strike-letters-to-innocents-110617/

    Then the Irish data protection watchdog blocked Eircom's three strikes rules:
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/12/21/irish_isp_told_to_stop_using_3_strikes/

    Now they are back again, and it looks like the record labels are going to start going after other ISP's again now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭RUCKING FETARD


    The 'three strikes' policy, so contentious it was removed from ACTA itself, is now active here in Ireland once again:
    Irish Record Labels Win, Court Reinstates “3 Strikes” For File-Sharing
    Indeed as you say, this is how Three Strikes worked out the first time:
    ISP Wrongfully Sent 300 “First Strike” Letters To Innocents
    https://torrentfreak.com/isp-wrongfully-sent-300-first-strike-letters-to-innocents-110617/

    Then the Irish data protection watchdog blocked Eircom's three strikes rules:
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/12/21/irish_isp_told_to_stop_using_3_strikes/

    Now they are back again, and it looks like the record labels are going to start going after other ISP's again now.
    Ho Ho Ho, this is nothing, read this.
    Internet users who illegally download music, movies and e-books will be sent warning letters in a crackdown that could lead to court action for copyright theft.


    A new regime to tackle online piracy will in effect treat individuals as ‘guilty until proven innocent’.


    Those wrongly accused of illegal downloading will have to pay a £20 fee to appeal in a move that has angered consumer groups.

    The controls on internet piracy, due to come into effect in early 2014, were outlined yesterday by the broadcasting regulator Ofcom under the Digital Economy Act 2010.

    The same Act includes punishments that could, in future, see accused families having their internet service slowed down, capped or even cut off.


    An industry code will require large internet service providers (ISPs) such as BT, Virgin, Sky and TalkTalk to send warning letters to families suspected by entertainment firms of illegally downloading or uploading copyright material.


    If a customer gets three letters or more within a year, copyright holders such as movie and music companies will have a right to ask for details of the material involved.

    These companies will then be able to apply for a court order requiring the ISP to reveal the customer’s name and address.


    The information would be used to pursue the person involved through the civil courts for damages.

    However, there are concerns that innocent internet users, for example those whose wireless connections are hijacked by a neighbour or criminal, will be caught up in the new regime.


    Those sent a warning letter will be assumed guilty unless they can prove their innocence after paying a £20 fee to appeal to an Ofcom body.


    Mike O’Connor, of the customer body Consumer Focus, said: ‘Copyright infringement is not to be condoned, but people who are innocent should not have to pay a fee to challenge accusations. It could deter those living on low incomes from challenging unfair allegations.’
    If the new system does not stop piracy, ministers will be able to go back to Parliament to enact rules in the Digital Economy Act that could see households having their internet service cut off.
    ‘The ability to appeal is therefore critical to ensure consumers who have done nothing wrong are not deprived of internet access further down the line,’ said Mr O’Connor.


    Creative industries minister Ed Vaizey said entertainment firms had to be able to ‘protect their investment’, adding: ‘The Digital Economy Act is an important part of protecting our creative industries against unlawful activity.’


    Ofcom’s Claudio Pollack said: ‘Ofcom will oversee a fair appeals process, and also ensure that rights holders’ investigations under the code are rigorous and transparent.
    Meanwhile in the US, Time Warner has patented a way to stop you fast forwarding through the commercials in programs that you have recorded on your DVR box-->think sky box.


    But what oh what are they gonna do about Megabox.
    http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/21/3108565/megaupload-kim-dotcom-megabox-wozniak-announcement


    Amendments to U.N. treaty could censor the Internet


    Expect an announcement anytime to stick chips up peoples butts so they know what they had for breakfast.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,518 ✭✭✭matrim


    The 'three strikes' policy, so contentious it was removed from ACTA itself, is now active here in Ireland once again:
    Irish Record Labels Win, Court Reinstates “3 Strikes” For File-Sharing
    https://torrentfreak.com/irish-record-labels-win-court-reinstates-3-strikes-for-file-sharing-120628/

    We now have website blocking laws (which are only being selectively used now, but give it a year or two), and three strikes; we're well on the slippery slope.

    Just one thing on this, it's not law it's eircom policy. If you are with any other provider it doesn't apply


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    That's true for now, but it's primarily a matter of time before the record labels go after the other ISP's again; they have also lobbies heavily in the copyright review (as they do), so I would be very unsurprised to see the results of the copyright view, enforcing stricter copyright laws like three strikes, rather than rolling back the ridiculous injunction.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,218 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The way the labels, the studios and publishers are going about this is just so wrong and ill advised. Firstly, it's a ridiculously long process to identify and prosecute infringers open to god knows how much grey area. Most users after getting their first warning letter would go VPN, filter IPs or just rip songs, movies, books from Youtube, video hosting sites and cyberlockers etc. Will they be able to spy on that type of activity?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭RUCKING FETARD


    briany wrote: »
    The way the labels, the studios and publishers are going about this is just so wrong and ill advised. Firstly, it's a ridiculously long process to identify and prosecute infringers open to god knows how much grey area. Most users after getting their first warning letter would go VPN, filter IPs or just rip songs, movies, books from Youtube, video hosting sites and cyberlockers etc. Will they be able to spy on that type of activity?
    http://www.siliconrepublic.com/new-media/item/27838-google-clamps-down-on/%22%5DGoogle%20clamps%20down%20on%20YouTube-to-MP3%20conversion%20site


    Works in progress for others that you mentioned.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,218 ✭✭✭✭briany



    I suppose Google sees it as a good middle ground PR wise to go after a site that allows this, stops the copyright lobby from annoying them too much, but they're well aware as are many computer users that there are many other sites, extensions, stand alone software and temp folder shenanigans that allow you to do the very same thing. The cornerstone of Google's business is pretty much based on the unrestricted flow of information, up to the point of anything that considered taboo, and it's what has helped them get so big and it's what will help them remain big so I'd be surprised to see them move to put a decisive end to pirating practices.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    ACTA has died; 478 to 39 votes, with 165 abstentions:
    http://falkvinge.net/2012/07/04/victory-acta-suffers-final-humiliating-defeat-in-european-parliament/

    Very glad to see the end of that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,969 ✭✭✭hardCopy


    ACTA has died; 478 to 39 votes, with 165 abstentions:
    http://falkvinge.net/2012/07/04/victory-acta-suffers-final-humiliating-defeat-in-european-parliament/

    Very glad to see the end of that.

    Wow, the system works sometimes


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,332 ✭✭✭Mr Simpson


    But is SOPA still there?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,265 ✭✭✭RangeR


    mmcn90 wrote: »
    But is SOPA still there?

    SOPA is for USA not Europe.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,332 ✭✭✭Mr Simpson


    RangeR wrote: »
    mmcn90 wrote: »
    But is SOPA still there?

    SOPA is for USA not Europe.

    Sorry, I'm referring to the Irish Legislation that was introduced.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    mmcn90 wrote: »
    Sorry, I'm referring to the Irish Legislation that was introduced.

    Yes, that's still there.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    The SI is totally pointless though in light of decisions on the European level. Explained here, ECJ decisions and now the rejection of ACTA show that the minister was overly eager to be seen to do something about copyright infringement that was totally pointless.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 659 ✭✭✭ToadVine


    I'm confused.

    How does this EU decision effect what Sean Sherlock did?? Is that now invalid/irrelevant?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    ^^ ACTA has nothing to do with Sean Sherlock's special injunction, I just posted it here as it's an active thread on the topic of copyright issues.


    No Irish MEP's appear to have voted in favour, though these MEP's voted to abstain:
    Gay Mitchell
    Maired McGuinness
    Sean Kelly
    Jim Higgins


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,983 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    ^^ ACTA has nothing to do with Sean Sherlock's special injunction, I just posted it here as it's an active thread on the topic of copyright issues.


    No Irish MEP's appear to have voted in favour, though these MEP's voted to abstain:
    Gay Mitchell
    Maired McGuinness
    Sean Kelly
    Jim Higgins

    but they voted to delay the vote, which is what the acta people wanted


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    but they voted to delay the vote, which is what the acta people wanted
    You mean the people who abstained voted to delay it? I'm not certain what you meant?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭RUCKING FETARD


    Happy Independence Day: SOPA’s Cousin ACTA Fails To Make The Vote In Europe, But Is This Really The End?
    Karel De Gucht, the EU commissioner with responsibility for the treaty, said that he would push ACTA through the courts even if it didn’t pass by a vote today:

    “If you decide for a negative vote before the European Court rules, let me tell you that the Commission will nonetheless continue to pursue the current procedure before the Court, as we are entitled to do. A negative vote will not stop the proceedings before the Court of Justice,” he said in a speech.

    :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,218 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Nice to see that ACTA has been defeated but does it's defeat prevent future legislation along the same lines, though maybe more attractively packaged and/or deceptively worded, from being passed?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    No, unfortunately it will not prevent similar legislation; it's going to be a kind of "war of attrition" from here on in, with lesser variants of new copyright law trying to implement the same measures as ACTA (and worse), except piece by piece.

    Just look at the UK's recent Internet censorship laws, to see what the upcoming template for Ireland is; that and worse is to come.

    The defeat of ACTA however, shows that there is at least some sense within the EU parliament, of the dangerous nature of these laws, and gives hope that these lesser increments of damaging copyright law can be successfully combated (at the EU level) in the future.

    Nothing in the future is going to be as clear cut and as 'easily' defeated as ACTA/SOPA though; it will be a slow erosion of Internet rights/principals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    Happy Independence Day: SOPA’s Cousin ACTA Fails To Make The Vote In Europe, But Is This Really The End?
    Karel De Gucht, the EU commissioner with responsibility for the treaty, said that he would push ACTA through the courts even if it didn’t pass by a vote today:

    “If you decide for a negative vote before the European Court rules, let me tell you that the Commission will nonetheless continue to pursue the current procedure before the Court, as we are entitled to do. A negative vote will not stop the proceedings before the Court of Justice,” he said in a speech.

    :rolleyes:

    That's badly phrased - the Commission cannot "push ACTA through the courts". All the CJEU can do is to clarify whether ACTA does, or does not, infringe on any basic European rights. If the latter, then the CJEU has the honour of putting the final nail in ACTA's coffin - if the former, the Commission gains nothing but that clarification, which they will presumably use to assuage the doubts of some MEPs if they decide to propose ACTA ratification again.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    No, unfortunately it will not prevent similar legislation; it's going to be a kind of "war of attrition" from here on in, with lesser variants of new copyright law trying to implement the same measures as ACTA (and worse), except piece by piece.

    Just look at the UK's recent Internet censorship laws, to see what the upcoming template for Ireland is; that and worse is to come.

    The defeat of ACTA however, shows that there is at least some sense within the EU parliament, of the dangerous nature of these laws, and gives hope that these lesser increments of damaging copyright law can be successfully combated (at the EU level) in the future.

    Nothing in the future is going to be as clear cut and as 'easily' defeated as ACTA/SOPA though; it will be a slow erosion of Internet rights/principals.

    Sure - unfortunately, even a final and complete defeat of ACTA at the European level wouldn't in any way prevent a variety of national legislation from eroding internet freedoms. And we've already seen how successful popular protest is at combating Irish government legislation on the subject...

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,872 ✭✭✭View


    Just a note of caution here.

    The EP vote means that ACTA was rejected at the First Reading of the bill.

    The Council will independently have its own First Reading of it and - imo - is likely to be more sympathetic to it (given the member states approved the Commission agreeing the terms of ACTA).

    It then goes back to the EP for a Second Reading where the EP can either: a) reject (and kill) the agreement or b) more likely imo, the EP and the Council hammer out a compromise - probably largely based on the ECJ ruling - which seek to address some or all of the Civil Liberty issues that prompted the EP's vote yesterday.

    There still remains a possibility that the ECJ ruling might prove completely fatal to the agreement but more likely we are looking at a "New improved" version of the agreement at some future date.


  • Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭1865


    This is a press release from Minister Sherlock. It looks like the pressure is finally making him see sense.

    Statement from Minister Sherlock on the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement

    5 July 2012

    Following uncertainty that has arisen from an article published today [Thursday], the Minister for Research and Innovation, Mr. Sean Sherlock T.D., wishes to make it known that the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA), has not been ratified by Ireland.

    The decision to arrange for the signature of the Agreement was approved by Government at a Government meeting on the 13th December 2011. Ireland along with 21 other EU Member States signed the Agreement in Tokyo on the 26th January 2012. However, contrary to recent reports, Ireland has not ratified ACTA into domestic law.

    The Minister said “I look forward to continuing to work with the Commission, other Member States and our international partners, in endeavouring to find workable solutions, to protect Intellectual Property at international level and within the framework of international law.”

    ENDS


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,983 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    1865 wrote: »
    This is a press release from Minister Sherlock. It looks like the pressure is finally making him see sense.

    Statement from Minister Sherlock on the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement

    5 July 2012

    Following uncertainty that has arisen from an article published today [Thursday], the Minister for Research and Innovation, Mr. Sean Sherlock T.D., wishes to make it known that the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA), has not been ratified by Ireland.

    The decision to arrange for the signature of the Agreement was approved by Government at a Government meeting on the 13th December 2011. Ireland along with 21 other EU Member States signed the Agreement in Tokyo on the 26th January 2012. However, contrary to recent reports, Ireland has not ratified ACTA into domestic law.

    The Minister said “I look forward to continuing to work with the Commission, other Member States and our international partners, in endeavouring to find workable solutions, to protect Intellectual Property at international level and within the framework of international law.”

    ENDS

    sherlock was going round tweetting, "i didn't sign acta fact."

    he continues to miss the point, its within his brief, therefore he responsible for what either he or the government has done.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭RUCKING FETARD


    Op-ed: MPAA/RIAA lose big as US backs copyright "limitations"

    First bit is very badly worded/hard to understand.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    View wrote: »
    Just a note of caution here.

    The EP vote means that ACTA was rejected at the First Reading of the bill.

    The Council will independently have its own First Reading of it and - imo - is likely to be more sympathetic to it (given the member states approved the Commission agreeing the terms of ACTA).

    It then goes back to the EP for a Second Reading where the EP can either: a) reject (and kill) the agreement or b) more likely imo, the EP and the Council hammer out a compromise - probably largely based on the ECJ ruling - which seek to address some or all of the Civil Liberty issues that prompted the EP's vote yesterday.

    There still remains a possibility that the ECJ ruling might prove completely fatal to the agreement but more likely we are looking at a "New improved" version of the agreement at some future date.
    Seems that even before ACTA was in sights for defeat, it was already taped onto the end of another copyright treaty:
    http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6580/135/

    You're right to sound a note of caution there; not just a potential 'compromise' revival of ACTA itself, but the same provisions being slipped into other international treaties.

    Is there a list of treaties under negotiation by the EU anyplace, or are treaties such as this often kept completely secret? It's an awful abuse of the treaty process.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    ACTA Lives: How the EU & Canada Are Using CETA as Backdoor Mechanism To Revive ACTA

    Last week, the European Parliament voted overwhelmingly to reject ACTA, striking a major blow to the hopes of supporters who envisioned a landmark agreement that would set a new standard for intellectual property rights enforcement. The European Commission, which negotiates trade deals such as ACTA on behalf of the European Union, has vowed to revive the badly damaged agreement. Its most high-profile move has been to ask the European Court of Justice to rule on ACTA's compatibility with fundamental European freedoms with the hope that a favourable ruling could allow the European Parliament to reconsider the issue.

    While the court referral has attracted the lion share of attention, my weekly technology law column (Toronto Star version, homepage version) reports that there is an alternate secret strategy in which Canada plays a key role. According to recently leaked documents, the EU plans to use the Canada - EU Trade Agreement (CETA), which is nearing its final stages of negotiation, as a backdoor mechanism to implement the ACTA provisions.

    The CETA IP chapter has already attracted attention due to EU pharmaceutical patent demands that could add billions to provincial health care costs, but the bigger story may be that the same chapter features a near word-for-word replica of ACTA. According to the leaked document, dated February 2012, Canada and the EU have already agreed to incorporate many of the ACTA enforcement provisions into CETA, including the rules on general obligations on enforcement, preserving evidence, damages, injunctions, and border measure rules. One of these provisions even specifically references ACTA.

    ...
    http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6580/135/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭RUCKING FETARD


    SOPA sponsor Rep. Lamar Smith unveils new intellectual property bill
    Once part of SOPA, Rep. Lamar Smith's "Intellectual Property Attache Act" seeks to further spread U.S. copyright protections around the world.


    U.S. Representative Lamar Smith (R-TX), notorious on the Web for authoring the widely despised Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA), unveiled a new bill this week that seeks to further spread U.S. intellectual property regulations around the world.


    Entitled the “Intellectual Property Attache Act” (IPAA), the bill would move the IP attache program, which is currently part of the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO), to the Commerce Department. IPAA would also expand the IP attache program by making it a full agency, as well as creating a new position, the Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Intellectual Property.


    IPAA was originally a part of SOPA, under Section 205, but was sidelined along with the rest of SOPA after the contentious anti-piracy bill was all but killed following mass online protests against the legislation.


    Formally established in 2006, the USPTO’s Overseas Intellectual Property Rights Attache program has one mission: “to promote high standards of IP protection and enforcement internationally for the benefit of U.S. economic and political interests abroad,” according to the official description. In other words, IP attaches are U.S. government “diplomats” who push for other countries to adopt similar intellectual property protections as those in the U.S., and make sure other countries aren’t establishing policies that allow for the infringement of U.S. copyrights. Or, as IPAA describes it, IP attaches would work “to advance the intellectual property rights of United States persons and their licensees…”


    TechDirt’s Mike Masnick, a strong and outspoken opponent of U.S. intellectual property regulation, sees IPAA and the IP attache program in general as nothing more than the U.S. government forcing the will of Hollywood on the rest of the world. IP attaches, say Masnick, are effectively “Hollywood’s global police force.”


    “[IP attaches] do not have the best interests of the public or the country in mind,” writes Masnick. “Their job is solely to push the copyright maximalist views of the legacy entertainment industry around the globe, and position it as the will of the U.S. government.”


    Masnick also takes issue with the fact that IPAA was basically a “secret” from the public, and is being fast-tracked through the House, with the House Judiciary Committee set to hold a markup on the bill today. (At the time of this writing, the committee had not yet covered IPAA.)


    So, should the average Internet user worry about IPAA? That depends on how broken you believe U.S. intellectual property protections are. If you oppose expanding the interests of U.S. copyright holders, then you should probably oppose IPAA. If, however, you are more trusting of the current system, then IPAA probably won’t rub you the wrong way. We must also add that one of the co-sponsors of IPAA is Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA), who fiercely opposed SOPA and just this week became the first congressman to sign the Declaration of Internet Freedom, a petition that seeks to further the goal of an open Web.


    Regardless, you can be sure that this is one bill we’ll be keeping our eyes on. Stay tuned.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    While the court referral has attracted the lion share of attention, my weekly technology law column (Toronto Star version, homepage version) reports that there is an alternate secret strategy in which Canada plays a key role. According to recently leaked documents, the EU plans to use the Canada - EU Trade Agreement (CETA), which is nearing its final stages of negotiation, as a backdoor mechanism to implement the ACTA provisions.
    http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6580/135/

    That's more than a little overblown - the inclusion of the same rules in CETA pre-dates ACTA's downward path by a few years, with negotiations on it having started in 2009. It's not, therefore, any kind of secret plan to get round ACTA's difficulties, it's bureaucratic consistency.
    Is there a list of treaties under negotiation by the EU anyplace, or are treaties such as this often kept completely secret? It's an awful abuse of the treaty process.

    The answer, alas, seems to be 'neither'. Negotiation of treaties and agreements is well flagged in advance through press releases, and progress reports are generally also on the europa website and available to the press. So, if, for example, you go and look at the Canada page in the Trade section of europa (http://ec.europa.eu/trade/creating-opportunities/bilateral-relations/countries/canada/) you'll find the following:
    The EU is in negotiations for a comprehensive economic and trade agreement with Canada. The last round of negotiations took place in Ottawa in October 2011. The aim is to conclude the negotiations in 2012.

    ...

    The first round of CETA negotiations took place from 19 to 23 October 2009 in Ottawa, and was considered by both sides to have been very productive. Good progress was made in most areas towards reaching a consolidated common text. Both negotiating partners continue to aim at a very advanced agreement, exceeding in its level of ambition any trade and economic agreement negotiated either by the EU or by Canada to date.

    A second round of CETA negotiations took place in Brussels in January 2010, a third round in Ottawa from 19 to 23 April, a fourth round in Brussels from 12 to 16 July, a fifth round in Ottawa from 18 to 22 October 2010, a sixth round in Brussels from 17 to 21 January 2011, a seventh round in Ottawa from 11 to 15 April, an eighth round in Brussels from 11 to 15 July and a ninth round in Ottawa from 17 to 21 October 2011. Thereafter, negotiators have met in smaller working sessions focusing on a limited number of outstanding issues. The aim is to conclude the negotiations in 2012.

    During the negotiation process, a sustainability impact assessment was carried out by the EU.

    And virtually all the relevant documents are available, such as the original impact assessment. Impact assessments are one way of spotting agreements - for example, the various recently or currently negotiated trade agreements, which are most likely to have IP impacts, can be found here: http://ec.europa.eu/trade/analysis/sustainability-impact-assessments/assessments/

    But that's for trade agreements - on the other hand, a single comprehensive list of all the various agreements the EU is involved in negotiating seems not to exist. Considering the nature of bureaucracy, that's unsurprising - to each bureau its own affairs, usually, and the different sorts of agreement will be the responsibility of different DGs.

    In rather typical europa style, there is also a separate impacts assessment section which covers policy impact assessments - and while that's comprehensive across policy areas, it doesn't appear to cover external agreements.

    Looking at ACTA specifically, the Commission has rather obviously felt stung by accusations of keeping people in the dark, and has put out a brief on the "Transparency of ACTA negotiations" here. As with most such issues, the information has been publicly available for some time - the text of ACTA has been available for over 18 months, for example - but it's virtually a full-time job following the course of any given set of negotiations, and our press is hardly going to devote sufficient column inches to the subject to make that worthwhile for them.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    Interesting, cheers.


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    They only have to get lucky once... :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,283 ✭✭✭✭Scofflaw


    DeVore wrote: »
    They only have to get lucky once... :)

    The same could be said for the plan to build a motorway across Dublin Bay - it's the nature of the beast. Opposition to any official plan requires sustained attention.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭RUCKING FETARD


    Look at this and it's IN.

    Russia's New Censorship Law Diminishes the Entire Internet
    On Wednesday, the Russian parliament's lower house approved legislation that would block Web pages selectively. The proposed law reportedly lets officials filter out specific domain names and IP addresses. Law enforcement agencies could add URLs to the blacklist without a court order. Hosting services would need to remove banned materials within 72 hours or risk being shut down.
    Another bill currently in the Russian parliament would increase penalties for defamation, while yet another would compel nongovernmental organizations that accept foreign financing to register as foreign agents.

    No climbing back up that slide:(




    Internet content blocking travels downstream, affects unwary users


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,983 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    foi'd by user FreudianSlippers and scanned by matrim, most of the submissions to the original SI for the CRRA

    https://docs.google.com/folder/d/0B6AEiinGYynOOWpOWS1XX2dobTg/edit

    blame the department for the rigmarol of having to foi, print and rescan em.

    why this couldn't be released at the time to add to the discussion, i don't know, it could only have helped them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,518 ✭✭✭matrim


    foi'd by user RangeR and/or matrim scanned by matrim, most of the submissions to the original SI for the CRRA

    https://docs.google.com/folder/d/0B6AEiinGYynOOWpOWS1XX2dobTg/edit

    blame the department for the rigmarol of having to foi, print and rescan em.

    why this couldn't be released at the time to add to the discussion, i don't know, it could only have helped them.

    Just a quick note. I requested them and it was FreudianSlippers who scanned them.

    I haven't actually had a chance to read them yet. Hopefully I'll get around to it later this week.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    Nice, will skim through them; odd that they needed to be FOI'd, it's exactly the kind of stuff that should be publicly available on a website to start with.

    It is different I guess, to the submissions that were previously published, on the CRC website?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,983 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Nice, will skim through them; odd that they needed to be FOI'd, it's exactly the kind of stuff that should be publicly available on a website to start with.

    It is different I guess, to the submissions that were previously published, on the CRC website?

    these are not related to the CRC these are the submissions sent during the summer consultation, so sherlock lauded his consulative abilties but none of us knew what they said as he planned to implement the SI


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    I've skimmed through it all, and here's a brief summary of it: (most of the arguments for/against are fairly much the same)

    Companies/groups/people expressing concern about the SI:
    Google
    Telecommunications and Internet Federation: Worth reading the full submission; page 36 onwards of Scan 001.
    Eircom (expressed concerns at length about the SI, and specifically about why it is not a part of CRC review)
    Ronan Sheehan (John Philpot Curran Foundation)
    IDA Ireland
    Telefonica/O2
    Alternative Operators in the Communications Market
    Digital Rights Ireland
    3G Ireland
    Computer and Communications Industry Association (makes the very good point, that where infringers can be pursued in court directly, injunctions should not be allowed against their websites)
    International Service Providers Association of Ireland
    UPC

    Companies/groups/people in support of SI: (it's notable, that just about none of these go into detail or express concerns on needed limitations of the SI, but all endorse it wholesale)
    Mechanical Copyright Protection Society Ireland
    Irish Association of Songwriters, Composers and Authors
    William Ryan (lawyer representing some record labels in Ireland)
    Interactive Software Federation of Europe
    Viacom/MTV
    Warner Bros: Also proposes removal of the following from the SI (about the only limitation it places on the injunctions):
    "(b) In considering an application for an injunction under this subsection, the court shall have due regard to the rights of any person likely to be affected by virtue of the grant of any such injunction and the court shall give such directions (including, where appropriate, a direction requiring a person be notified of the application) as the court considers appropriate in all of the circumstances."
    Motion Picture Association (also supports removal of above)
    Irish National Federation Against Copyright Theft
    Recorded Artists Actors Performers
    Music Managers Forum (also recommends 'graduated response' i.e. three strikes, and argues against legislating 'fair use' laws)


    So, there was not just widespread public opposition to this, but widespread industry opposition as well; all the more incomprehensible, as to why this was forced through with a SI.

    It seems the SI had been in the pipe for more than a year as well, before finally being implemented (with the government first flip-flopping in Feb 2011, deciding not to implement it based on concerns of balance).
    So again, plenty of room for discussion and management of a more balanced piece of legislation (an entire year it seems), even the 2011 copyright reform committee passed as an opportunity to work it out, yet it got implemented as-is with no modifications this year?

    One very notable part of the concerns expressed in the submissions, is various groups (Eircom in particular) don't understand why consultation about the SI is separate to the general Copyright Review Committee consultation; there is no satisfactory (or offered) explanation for this, which makes me all the more cynical as to the reasons for that.


    It's noted throughout the submissions, that it's not a requirement to transpose the EU law directly into our own law, but that it's supposed to be considered in the context of wider considerations first (to see it does not impact on other areas and rights); this is usually done through a Regulatory Impact Assessment, and the government completely failed to do that here.

    Moreso, the government previously explicitly spoke out against implementing laws through secondary legislation, like they have done here.
    So, this SI was unnecessary, not urgent in any way, did not have sufficient regulatory assessment, was not properly negotiated, was not democratically debated and put forward as primary legislation, and consultations submitted by industry were 100% ignored, and government has failed to provide any satisfactory explanation regarding concerns put forward; this makes me extremely cynical, and makes me think there were copyright/entertainment industry interests behind the scenes, who undemocratically influenced the government into pushing this through.


    I would imagine we will find out the next step with all of this (if any), when the 2012 copyright review committee process finishes up; submissions are long closed now, any word on government reactions (and potential reforms) in light of that consultation? (discussion of the SI was not excluded from this consultation as well I take it)

    That said, the fact that the concerns put forward in this previous (SI-specific) consultation process in 2011 were entirely ignored, seem to indicate that any concerns put forward during this years consultation will be ignored too. We'll see anyway, but I don't have my hopes up; I reckon the consultation this year was (judging by last years) just to fob people off.


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