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€11.5 million settlement as a result of uninsured driver

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  • #252
    Yakuza
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,141 ✭✭✭Yakuza


    All the holier-than-thou posts on this thread make me nauseous. Yes, she fúcked up royally by not being insured (which is the only reason for the bile on this thread) and some form of non-custodial punishment might be appropriate, but you'd swear she was public enemy number one by the vitriol on here.

    I'd like to add a few points:

    • In my opinion, jailing the mother will not serve the public interest, nor those of the child. She is part of his caregiving arrangements and if she had to be replaced, the fund would be depleted faster.
    • Some of the money will go to the hospitals that have looked after him to date.
    • Isn't looking into the eyes of your child every day for the rest of his/your life and knowing what you've done to him punishment enough?


  • #253
    carbon nanotube
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 994 ✭✭✭carbon nanotube


    this is horse crap to be honest

    leaving the child aside, if i drove into a poster here, crossed the middle lane, nice head on smash.

    what would the other poser do.. im sure if they found i was not insured they would have a field day with claims against me.

    how the driver of this car got 11million from this is mind boggling, if she was a man she would have massive, massive balls of steel


  • #254
    ResearchWill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭ResearchWill


    carbon nanotube wrote: »
    this is horse crap to be honest

    leaving the child aside, if i drove into a poster here, crossed the middle lane, nice head on smash.

    what would the other poser do.. im sure if they found i was not insured they would have a field day with claims against me.

    how the driver of this car got 11million from this is mind boggling, if she was a man she would have massive, massive balls of steel

    The child got an award to pay for past and future life care not the mother.


  • #255
    John_Rambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,872 ✭✭✭John_Rambo


    carbon nanotube wrote: »
    how the driver of this car got 11million from this is mind boggling

    The driver didn't get 11 million.

    This is obviously very very confusing for you. I'd suggest you stop thinking about it if it's causing your mind to boggle.

    But, if you really want to understand any part of the case, read up on it very slowly and see who exactly befits from the money, how it's spent, and how the claim came about.


  • #256
    duckysauce
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭duckysauce


    whats the crack with the poor sod she crashed into ?


  • #257
    Pkiernan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,310 ✭✭✭Pkiernan


    Yakuza wrote: »
    [*]Isn't looking into the eyes of your child every day for the rest of his/your life and knowing what you've done to him punishment enough?

    [/LIST]


    No, it's not.

    She should be locked up.

    There is more than sufficient funds available to the son to have a caregiver while his irresponsible mother serves time.

    If someone crashed head on into you, and paralysed your kid and it turns out they were driving in the fashion this bitch was, with no insurance, would you want them locked up?


  • #258
    carbon nanotube
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 994 ✭✭✭carbon nanotube


    Pkiernan wrote: »
    No, it's not.

    She should be locked up.

    There is more than sufficient funds available to the son to have a caregiver while his irresponsible mother serves time.

    If someone crashed head on into you, and paralysed your kid and it turns out they were driving in the fashion this bitch was, with no insurance, would you want them locked up?


    exactly

    give the child all the money he wants but she should be locked up.

    she is an absolute role model for irish motorists...


  • #259
    unklerosco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,828 ✭✭✭unklerosco


    My mams friend has 2 children that are now in their 20's that need round the clock care, she works her ass off for them, she's spent the last year fund raising to get her daughter to the states for an operation that she desperately needs... It wasn't through her negligence that her children will need to be cared for for the rest of their lives, where's their €11 million... Where's the rest of the families in similar situations €11 million...

    I don't get this, from RTE "Ms Kennedy was uninsured at the time. The system used in court saw the case taken by the child's grandfather - against Ms Kennedy."


  • #260
    TheChizler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,474 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    carbon nanotube wrote: »
    Pkiernan wrote: »
    No, it's not.

    She should be locked up.

    There is more than sufficient funds available to the son to have a caregiver while his irresponsible mother serves time.

    If someone crashed head on into you, and paralysed your kid and it turns out they were driving in the fashion this bitch was, with no insurance, would you want them locked up?


    exactly

    give the child all the money he wants but she should be locked up.

    she is an absolute role model for irish motorists...
    What purpose would be served by locking her up? Would it teach her to not do it again? Would she be forever immune to distractions while driving? Is she laughing away thinking, "brilliant, I got away scot free"? It would be further punishment to the child to have his primary caregiver taken away from him. The only crime we definitively know has been committed is driving while uninsured, the only difference from having insurance is the claim resulting from an accident comes from multiple companies rather than one.
    Had the same situation occurred but the other car not been there should she still be jailed? She'd have performed the exact same actions after all. Should everyone who unintentionally does something dangerous with passengers in the car be jailed? Obviously the criminal aspects of this event have been considered by people with more information than us, and an informed decision was made. The family seem to have forgiven her as they all seem very involved and she was happy for them to essentially sue her. 11.5 million won't go far when dealing with injuries of this type. Apart from providing care and medical expenses you have to factor in if he will be able to work when older and provide his basic needs financially.


  • #261
    snaps
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,138 ✭✭✭snaps


    I know its a sensative situation, but its disgusting that the good doing people of this country (Who are paying their car insurance) have to suffer for an un insured driver that has caused a horrific accident. Something is all wrong when an uninsured driver is not prosecuted for such an accident.

    I would like to know, what compensation did the driver/families of the car that was hit by her?

    Is there a moral to the story here, why do we need Insurance if this kind of thing happens?

    Im working as hard as i can to keep a car on the road (Which is a real luxury to us as a family now), people swaning around with no documents at all for their cars in regard to being uninsured, un taxed, un tested, perhaps not even a full licence too.

    This country is going doing the tube very fast now.


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  • #262
    bananarama22
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 67 ✭✭bananarama22


    OK, the child and the family deserve compensation. Especially the child. He is essentially totally paralysed and can not even breathe on his own accord. This child should be taken into care and the mother jailed for a prolonged period of time. I would bet that there is more to this story than meets the eye / ear. No one can possibly crash like that from just looking to the side. People do it all the time when changing lanes, looking in the rear view mirrors checking blindspots and so on so forth.

    The things which I want to know are:
    • How could a momentary lapse of judgement cause this?
    • If this child was properly restrained, how could he have been flung forward?
    • Is this woman who was driving around for God knows how long without insurance going to get off scot free? When someones insurance might only be expired a day or two and the poor sod will then end up with a court appearence and points?? Something stinks about this case, and I guarantee there is more to this than they are letting on.


  • #263
    ResearchWill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭ResearchWill


    bananarama22 wrote: »
    OK, the child and the family deserve compensation. Especially the child. He is essentially totally paralysed and can not even breathe on his own accord. This child should be taken into care and the mother jailed for a prolonged period of time. I would bet that there is more to this story than meets the eye / ear. No one can possibly crash like that from just looking to the side. People do it all the time when changing lanes, looking in the rear view mirrors checking blindspots and so on so forth.

    The things which I want to know are:
    • How could a momentary lapse of judgement cause this?
    • If this child was properly restrained, how could he have been flung forward?
    • Is this woman who was driving around for God knows how long without insurance going to get off scot free? When someones insurance might only be expired a day or two and the poor sod will then end up with a court appearence and points?? Something stinks about this case, and I guarantee there is more to this than they are letting on.


    Having read more than my fair share of accident incident report I have seen evidence of momentary lapse of concentration causing accidents worse than this one.
    I remember mother care giving training on fitting child seats and booster seats because a huge number are not used properly, the child was 6 at the time of the incident so he was on a booster seat not a child seat, many things may have happened.
    There is no information about the no insurance, it may have been a long time and the mother may have been aware of it or it may have been an error. I was in court last Friday where a person was accused of no insurance, the solicitor had two insurance companies in court to explain why the person was actually insured. BTW it was an appeal so he had been convicted in the DC.
    How anyone can condem this person with our any real evidence is very unfair. I am not saying this person may not deserve serious criminal sanction, but I not anyone else has enough information to decide one way or another, innocent till proven guilty.


  • #264
    BigEejit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭BigEejit


    I think that incoherent rage from the people that say that she is getting the money is founded on the idea that she will not have a single financial worry for the remainder of the boys life ..... even if she does not get a red cent in her hand/bank account from the payout, she will always have a roof over her head (possibly without a mortgage? would the payout cover that if a new house is necessary?(lets say if she were living in a second floor flat), a grand new car with no car loan under her arse etc etc.


    Also to the question of "do you not think she is suffering enough?" no I ****ing dont. She broke laws, they are not there for the fun of it.


  • #265
    bananarama22
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 67 ✭✭bananarama22


    Every single cent this woman spends should be accounted for, and documented. If an anomaly is seen in teh spending, she should be jailed. There should be NO cash involved in this settlement. It should ALL be in a bank account, and only accessible by card, and before payment is made on anything it should be approved by some sort of regulatory body. As previous posters have mentioned, I am a young man, if I did this to my younger cousin I would be posting this from solitary confinement on a smuggled android. I see no reason whatsoever that his father or other relative cannot look after him now. His father could have the help of an aid worker, or if the father is absent, he should be sent to another family member with the help of a nurse / doctor, while this woman rots in a jail cell for the rest of her existence. This poor boy is now paying the price for her mothers sptupidity while she gives the middle finger to safe drivers like me who have to pay through the roof insurance premiums solely because I happen to have a penis.

    This poor boy is trapped and paralysed in his own body, he is in a jail of his own now.

    And to the people who say "she has suffered enough", bo****** I say!! this poor boy will suffer ten times more. Imagine the conflicted feelings he is going to feel towards his own mother for the rest of his life now.


  • #266
    ResearchWill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭ResearchWill


    bananarama22 wrote: »
    Every single cent this woman spends should be accounted for, and documented. If an anomaly is seen in teh spending, she should be jailed. There should be NO cash involved in this settlement. It should ALL be in a bank account, and only accessible by card, and before payment is made on anything it should be approved by some sort of regulatory body. As previous posters have mentioned, I am a young man, if I did this to my younger cousin I would be posting this from solitary confinement on a smuggled android. I see no reason whatsoever that his father or other relative cannot look after him now. His father could have the help of an aid worker, or if the father is absent, he should be sent to another family member with the help of a nurse / doctor, while this woman rots in a jail cell for the rest of her existence. This poor boy is now paying the price for her mothers sptupidity while she gives the middle finger to safe drivers like me who have to pay through the roof insurance premiums solely because I happen to have a penis.

    This poor boy is trapped and paralysed in his own body, he is in a jail of his own now.

    And to the people who say "she has suffered enough", bo****** I say!! this poor boy will suffer ten times more. Imagine the conflicted feelings he is going to feel towards his own mother for the rest of his life now.

    I assume you missed the posts which explained that all this money will be lodged to a court account. All past medical expenses will be paid from it as will all future expenses. If it was part of the care report then alterations will be made to the family home (such alterations reduce value) and also if part of care report a car to transport the child may be bought again if part of the care report.


  • #267
    danjo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 589 ✭✭✭danjo


    ResearchWill wrote: »
    also if part of care report a car to transport the child may be bought again if part of the care report.

    If so I sincerely hope the mother will not be allowed drive it.


  • #268
    B00MSTICK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭B00MSTICK


    What sort of convictions do people think should be brought against the mother?

    Dangerous driving at least, probably with a ban, fine and maybe prison time.
    Anything else?

    If the child actually died she could've been charged with manslaughter, she could have faced 5+ years in jail. Thankfully he wasn't.

    The penalty for driving uninsured is usually a fine, driving ban and maybe 6 months in prison (probably no prison sentence if it was a first offence)

    Where are people getting the idea that she should be locked up for the rest of her life?


  • #269
    TheChizler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,474 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    snaps wrote: »
    I know its a sensative situation, but its disgusting that the good doing people of this country (Who are paying their car insurance) have to suffer for an un insured driver that has caused a horrific accident. Something is all wrong when an uninsured driver is not prosecuted for such an accident.

    I would like to know, what compensation did the driver/families of the car that was hit by her?

    Is there a moral to the story here, why do we need Insurance if this kind of thing happens?

    Im working as hard as i can to keep a car on the road (Which is a real luxury to us as a family now), people swaning around with no documents at all for their cars in regard to being uninsured, un taxed, un tested, perhaps not even a full licence too.

    This country is going doing the tube very fast now.
    It makes absolutely no difference to us as insured drivers if she was insured or not. If she had the crash with third party insurance the claims would be paid out of the premiums of that company's customers. The only difference is a combination of companies are paying in this case. The added expense of getting the MRBI involved is likely insignificant compared to the size of the award which would be similar regardless of the insurance situation. If she'd had comprehensive insurance she could claim her own expenses, so you could probably argue that it's easier on people's premiums for her to crash with no insurance rather than with comprehensive.


  • #270
    Vertakill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,262 ✭✭✭Vertakill


    TheChizler wrote: »
    What purpose would be served by locking her up? Would it teach her to not do it again? Would she be forever immune to distractions while driving? Is she laughing away thinking, "brilliant, I got away scot free"? It would be further punishment to the child to have his primary caregiver taken away from him. The only crime we definitively know has been committed is driving while uninsured, the only difference from having insurance is the claim resulting from an accident comes from multiple companies rather than one.

    Firstly, she has been found to have committed a crime and also confessed to it... so why is she exempt from punishment exactly?
    Just because she's paralysed her child does not mean she should be made exempt from any laws she's broken.

    Secondly, for everyone defending her - how would you feel if she was driving on her own in her own car, uninsured, and her concentration magically lapsed again and, god forbid, she hit you head on and your son was left paralysed for life.
    Do you think she should be brought in front of a court over the fact she was driving illegally?


    Also, people seem to think that driving insured and uninsured are exactly the same.
    They're not.
    If I don't have insurance on my car or if I couldn't afford it, I wouldn't drive it - end of.
    I wouldn't dream of taking it out uninsured.
    If this mother used that kind of common sense, her son would be unaffected.


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  • #271
    bananarama22
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 67 ✭✭bananarama22


    Will this woman be allowed to drive the car now if she gets an adapted one from the state? At the very least she should have a driving ban and have to resit her exam again.


  • #272
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 23,339 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    bananarama22 wrote: »
    ............. At the very least she should have a driving ban and have to resit her exam again.

    I agree with the driving ban, anyone driving without insurance should get one and they generally do. Don't see the need for a resit of a driving test tbh.


  • #273
    bananarama22
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 67 ✭✭bananarama22


    unklerosco wrote: »
    My mams friend has 2 children that are now in their 20's that need round the clock care, she works her ass off for them, she's spent the last year fund raising to get her daughter to the states for an operation that she desperately needs... It wasn't through her negligence that her children will need to be cared for for the rest of their lives, where's their €11 million... Where's the rest of the families in similar situations €11 million...

    I don't get this, from RTE "Ms Kennedy was uninsured at the time. The system used in court saw the case taken by the child's grandfather - against Ms Kennedy."


    hear, hear


  • #274
    TheChizler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,474 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    Vertakill wrote: »

    Firstly, she has been found to have committed a crime and also confessed to it... so why is she exempt from punishment exactly?
    Just because she's paralysed her child does not mean she should be made exempt from any laws she's broken.

    Secondly, for everyone defending her - how would you feel if she was driving on her own in her own car, uninsured, and her concentration magically lapsed again and, god forbid, she hit you head on and your son was left paralysed for life.
    Do you think she should be brought in front of a court over the fact she was driving illegally?


    Also, people seem to think that driving insured and uninsured are exactly the same.
    They're not.
    If I don't have insurance on my car or if I couldn't afford it, I wouldn't drive it - end of.
    I wouldn't dream of taking it out uninsured.
    If this mother used that kind of common sense, her son would be unaffected.
    I'm not stating any opinion on what I think should happen or if she was right or wrong to be uninsured. I'm pointing out what we know as fact and how it affects other drivers.


  • #275
    signostic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,879 ✭✭✭signostic


    From AH Thread http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056612846
    CaliforniaDream wrote: »
    This was posted on Facebook. I'm not sure if it's a legitimate account or not so maybe someone else can shed some light.

    TOO ALL THOSE WHO THINK THERE INSURANCE WILL GO UP COS OF MY SONS CLAME, UR IDIOTS, IT WONT, HIS MONEY CAME FROM THE 'MIBI' OF IRELAND. ITS A SEPERATE ORGANISATION TO INSURANCE COMPANYS AND THE MONEY HAS BEEN SITTING THERE FOR YEARS WAITING FOR SUMONE TO CLAME IT AND MY SON DID AND HE BLOODY DISERVES IT AFTER THE TORTURE HE WENT TRU. OK. LONG MAY HE LIVE !!!!!!!!! feckin begrudgers!!!! nutin else worrying them but insurance isnt it well for them, without that money he wont get proper treatment, and with that money he can eventualy go over seas for stemcell life changing treatment so F*^# the begrudgers!!!!

    Link

    Probably not the smartest move either.


  • #276
    el diablo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,757 ✭✭✭el diablo


    What a cúnt. I feel sorry for the poor kid. (Assuming it's not a hoax).

    We're all in this psy-op together.🤨



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  • #277
    yllw.ldbttr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,673 ✭✭✭yllw.ldbttr


    If that FB post is legitimate then... WOW... just wow.


  • #278
    keithclancy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    Not only can she not drive, it appears she cannot spell either.

    What a tard.


  • #279
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Probably should have put my post in the more serious of the 2 threads :-)

    I see her friends are like minded anyway

    Facebook wrote:
    Paddy Kilbane i dont bother with insurance so its grand haha!! :)
    28 minutes ago · 1


    Sure lets all have a laugh and joke about it.
    The childs welfare is clearly at the front of all their minds :rolleyes:

    I think that post on Facebook gives a bit of an insight in to the mind of the woman that caused the child all the hurt but doesnt accept any of the blame.


  • #280
    MargeS
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭MargeS


    signostic wrote: »
    From AH Thread http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056612846
    Originally Posted by CaliforniaDream
    This was posted on Facebook. I'm not sure if it's a legitimate account or not so maybe someone else can shed some light.

    TOO ALL THOSE WHO THINK THERE INSURANCE WILL GO UP COS OF MY SONS CLAME, UR IDIOTS, IT WONT, HIS MONEY CAME FROM THE 'MIBI' OF IRELAND. ITS A SEPERATE ORGANISATION TO INSURANCE COMPANYS AND THE MONEY HAS BEEN SITTING THERE FOR YEARS WAITING FOR SUMONE TO CLAME IT AND MY SON DID AND HE BLOODY DISERVES IT AFTER THE TORTURE HE WENT TRU. OK. LONG MAY HE LIVE !!!!!!!!! feckin begrudgers!!!! nutin else worrying them but insurance isnt it well for them, without that money he wont get proper treatment, and with that money he can eventualy go over seas for stemcell life changing treatment so F*^# the begrudgers!!!!

    Link

    Probably not the smartest move either.
    And where does she think MIBI got the money??? :confused:

    Oh ya! Magic... I forgot. :rolleyes:


  • #281
    Damien360
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,594 ✭✭✭Damien360


    I had a look at the link. I don't think that is the same person.


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