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Invisalign Clear Braces

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  • Registered Users Posts: 193 ✭✭cb123


    Thats not the case, regular braces move teeth the same way as aligners, infact they allow more control, espically over the bite, they are also generally faster. It is not the case there regular braces require surgery while invasalign do not.

    Your list of the pros and cons are spot on.


    Unfortunately for me it was, I was told by three separate orthodontists (clonmel, Waterford and cork) that the only way to correct my bite and get a perfect result I would need jaw surgery :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    cb123 wrote: »
    Unfortunately for me it was, I was told by three separate orthodontists (clonmel, Waterford and cork) that the only way to correct my bite and get a perfect result I would need jaw surgery :(

    Yes but to get a half decent compromised result with regular braces, like you got with invasalign, would have been cheaper and taken less time, and would have been a little less compromised than it is because the regular braces allow more correction and control of the bite. Do you get what I am saying? There is nothing special about how invasalign moves teeth, regular braces can move them the same way, only faster, cheaper and better in a lot of cases.


  • Registered Users Posts: 193 ✭✭cb123


    Yes but to get a half decent compromised result with regular braces, like you got with invasalign, would have been cheaper and taken less time, and would have been a little less compromised than it is because the regular braces allow more correction and control of the bite. Do you get what I am saying? There is nothing special about how invasalign moves teeth, regular braces can move them the same way, only faster, cheaper and better in a lot of cases.

    Ah I get ya! Yes you're right, and sure invisalign is a cosmetic route for those like myself who didn't really want a mouth full of metal. Funnily enough though the 3 orthodontists I went to wouldn't do the traditional route without going the full hog, so for me it was metal braces equaled surgery :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 279 ✭✭turniphead


    Hey Fitzgeme,

    Obviously "the skills of the operator and their treatment planning experience" are vitally important. I don't think anyone is suggesting otherwise. In fact that's a complete no brainer. Also nobody has mentioned that invisalign moves teeth any different to regular braces. We know that regular braces can have more control, can be faster and often better but the significant difference is having the metal on display. That's the crucial difference. Some people are willing to compromise so that they can have a clear brace.


  • Registered Users Posts: 279 ✭✭turniphead


    cb123 wrote: »
    My treatment finally came to an end in April, but I was wearing my last set of Invisalign until last month when I had my bonded retainer fitted along with an Essix retainer (determined to not let them move).

    My overall conclusion is positive though there are certainly downsides! If I was to go the traditional metal route, I would have had to undergone jaw surgery (breaking my jaw) to align everything up, so naturally I wanted to avoid that... But when I started Invisalign, I was promised the sun, moon and stars.

    Yes my teeth are straight (ish) and if my teeth were naturally like this I would have considered myself lucky but I paid thousands for this treatment and honestly I was a little disappointed.

    The total price ended up being €3,800. Broken down as 3,200 for the treatment, 300 for the retainers and the leftovers well... The final 300 was for a redo, pretty much had to start over as my teeth were refusing to move the way they wanted to... And yes that came out of my pocket! So beware.

    Ok so pros are my teeth are straight.

    Cons I expected more than Invisalign could have ever offered my, my case was severe. My bite is off. My teeth slant slightly and one tooth isn't aligned with the rest due to lack if bone (which I was never told about) the treatment took way longer than ever expected and has cost me a small fortune.

    Please don't think I'm not happy though... I am, I have a smile I'm not embarrassed by, which is amazing and a long way from where I was 3 years ago!

    Anyways judge for yourself, I've attached a before and after picture

    Hey cb123,
    That's a great balanced post there. Personally I think your teeth look great now. I know people have different views but it's blatantly obvious that your teeth look much better now. You mention how your "teeth slant slightly and one tooth isn't aligned". I can honestly say I do not notice and slant and I could not tell you which tooth is not aligned.

    At the end of it all it only matters to you and it's a pity after spending so much that you're not fully happy with the process/result. From my own point of view I have never expected to have the big Hollywood smile when my treatment comes to end. I simply wanted a few tweaks and a bit more alignment and hopefully this invisalign process will do that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    turniphead wrote: »
    Hey Fitzgeme,

    Obviously "the skills of the operator and their treatment planning experience" are vitally important. I don't think anyone is suggesting otherwise. In fact that's a complete no brainer. Also nobody has mentioned that invisalign moves teeth any different to regular braces. We know that regular braces can have more control, can be faster and often better but the significant difference is having the metal on display. That's the crucial difference. Some people are willing to compromise so that they can have a clear brace.

    Lingual orthodontics has none of the disadvantages and are actually totally invisible, aligners are not invisible and make you look like your teeth are covered in a thick layer of spit all the time.. Slopes in the smile cannot be appreciated without seeing the entire face. Make sure your orthodontist provides all forms of braces, if not when your only tool is a hammer all your problems look like nails. Your experienced operator, will have extensive experience and training in all forms of orthodontic treatments.


  • Registered Users Posts: 279 ✭✭turniphead


    Lingual orthodontics has none of the disadvantages and are actually totally invisible, aligners are not invisible and make you look like your teeth are covered in a thick layer of spit all the time.. Slopes in the smile cannot be appreciated without seeing the entire face. Make sure your orthodontist provides all forms of braces, if not when your only tool is a hammer all your problems look like nails. Your experienced operator, will have extensive experience and training in all forms of orthodontic treatments.

    Thanks Yaretzi Rapping Ignition for the helpful advice


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    turniphead wrote: »
    Thanks fitzgeme for the helpful advice

    No Probs, dont get me wrong, Aligner treatment can work well for a lot of patients when it is applied correctly to the correct patients, I have just seen enough cases like cb123's where the final results are less than was hope for and where the patient has paid a huge amount of money and time.

    Ask are is your priority the final result for life or the appearance for a short during treatment.


  • Registered Users Posts: 193 ✭✭cb123


    turniphead wrote: »
    Hey cb123,
    That's a great balanced post there. Personally I think your teeth look great now. I know people have different views but it's blatantly obvious that your teeth look much better now. You mention how your "teeth slant slightly and one tooth isn't aligned". I can honestly say I do not notice and slant and I could not tell you which tooth is not aligned.

    At the end of it all it only matters to you and it's a pity after spending so much that you're not fully happy with the process/result. From my own point of view I have never expected to have the big Hollywood smile when my treatment comes to end. I simply wanted a few tweaks and a bit more alignment and hopefully this invisalign process will do that.

    Oh please don't get me wrong, I am delighted with my smile now...but as I said before I'm disappointed that I was offered and advertised the "Hollywood smile" and my dentist didn't tell me the limitations associated with my case.

    My case was severe but I should have been warned, but sure look it's done and I am happy, except for the mountain of debt!

    Anyways I've attached a picture which shows a bit more of the issues I was talking about.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭newbie13


    turniphead wrote: »
    Hi there. I decided to go with invisalign and I'm one week into it. So far so good. I told nobody I was getting them and genuinely nobody has noticed. This is certainly the biggest plus for invisalign. Another plus is that I can take them off before eating so no foods are off limits.

    I was shown a 3D image of how my teeth will progress over a 40 week period. My changes are subtle but it's exactly what I want. My teeth should be straighter and more aligned.

    The only cons so far would be having to brush after eating every single time. I know people will say this'll reduce snacking etc. but I train for sport a lot so therefore I eat a lot. Another con is the pain I felt last night at the back of my mouth. Obviously it's just a sign that my teeth are moving and I took a painkiller tab and I was grand.

    Overall the pros far outweigh the cons. If you've any questions I can help with feel free to ask. I've 1 week done only 39 to go! :-)

    Are you aware of that You will be wearing retainer invisalign for the rest of your life ? You will pay it for extra every year. It is not include in their ad.

    They are not guarantee their product. They give you option to Not to wear them but if you dont wear (reatiner) after treatment over,your teeth removes back.

    I`ve started April 2013 with price of € 4000 , I finished all my set of alligners and retainers.

    I went through very bad times. Because its moving your original teeth, you always have pain in your teeth,most of time it bleeds while brushing your teeth.

    The only positive I am is the result after 16 months treatment but very negative with Dentist, visits and general process of it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 279 ✭✭turniphead


    newbie13 wrote: »
    Are you aware of that You will be wearing retainer invisalign for the rest of your life ? You will pay it for extra every year. It is not include in their ad.

    They are not guarantee their product. They give you option to Not to wear them but if you dont wear (reatiner) after treatment over,your teeth removes back.

    I`ve started April 2013 with price of € 4000 , I finished all my set of alligners and retainers.

    I went through very bad times. Because its moving your original teeth, you always have pain in your teeth,most of time it bleeds while brushing your teeth.

    The only positive I am is the result after 16 months treatment but very negative with Dentist, visits and general process of it.

    Shame to hear your experience has been so negative and expensive. I've had no bleeding gums at all and I've had no pain since the first week.

    I'm aware that I'll be wearing a retainer at night time for life but personally that doesn't bother me at all. It would be foolish not to wear the retainer after undergoing all the treatment.

    It's very difficult to give a general assessment of invisalign. Everybody has different teeth which require different movements. Even the condition and health of teeth vary from person to person. While invisalign might work perfectly for some people it might not work as successfully with others.

    Overall I'm still very happy I chose invisalign.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭newbie13


    turniphead wrote: »
    Shame to hear your experience has been so negative and expensive. I've had no bleeding gums at all and I've had no pain since the first week.

    I'm aware that I'll be wearing a retainer at night time for life but personally that doesn't bother me at all. It would be foolish not to wear the retainer after undergoing all the treatment.

    It's very difficult to give a general assessment of invisalign. Everybody has different teeth which require different movements. Even the condition and health of teeth vary from person to person. While invisalign might work perfectly for some people it might not work as successfully with others.

    Overall I'm still very happy I chose invisalign.


    As I said before , I am happy with the result. The Allligners and retainers have only 7-8 days life, after one week it get worn and crack. You need to keep use it until end of second week the way it is. Whatever material they are using to make the alligners completely cheap stuff..


  • Registered Users Posts: 279 ✭✭turniphead


    newbie13 wrote: »
    As I said before , I am happy with the result. The Allligners and retainers have only 7-8 days life, after one week it get worn and crack. You need to keep use it until end of second week the way it is. Whatever material they are using to make the alligners completely cheap stuff..

    How long do the retainers at the end of the treatment last?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,126 ✭✭✭Reekwind


    newbie13 wrote: »
    As I said before , I am happy with the result. The Allligners and retainers have only 7-8 days life, after one week it get worn and crack. You need to keep use it until end of second week the way it is. Whatever material they are using to make the alligners completely cheap stuff..
    What? That is not my experience at all. Not one of my aligners broke or cracked in any way and the retainer (which I've had for a year) shows no sign of wear.


  • Registered Users Posts: 279 ✭✭turniphead


    Reekwind wrote: »
    What? That is not my experience at all. Not one of my aligners broke or cracked in any way and the retainer (which I've had for a year) shows no sign of wear.

    That's good to hear and very reassuring. I've had no bother with my alligners so it's nice to know the retainer is durable and lasts long.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 279 ✭✭turniphead


    Reekwind wrote: »
    What? That is not my experience at all. Not one of my aligners broke or cracked in any way and the retainer (which I've had for a year) shows no sign of wear.

    That's good to hear and very reassuring. I've had no bother with my alligners so it's nice to know the retainer is durable and lasts long.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭newbie13


    turniphead wrote: »
    How long do the retainers at the end of the treatment last?

    you get 20 set of alligners from the beginning of treatment, each set stays on 2 weeks , then another 20 set of retainers and again 2 weeks each.

    then 1 set of retainers for six months after treatment over.+ night only for life


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭newbie13


    turniphead wrote: »
    That's good to hear and very reassuring. I've had no bother with my alligners so it's nice to know the retainer is durable and lasts long.

    I know from my experience, I didnt throw away my used alligners . I kept each in own plastic bag. I can send a picture of them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 193 ✭✭cb123


    turniphead wrote: »
    How long do the retainers at the end of the treatment last?

    According to my Dentist the retainer they made me should last 12-18 months and are €150 to replace. They are much harder and sturdier than the invisalign.

    I also got the permanent retainer for top and bottom it cost me €300, but honestly I'm delighted I did, it's nice knowing my teeth are in always in retention.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45 moses23


    Great posts here, very helfpul. Would anyone be able to PM me the names of the clinics where they got Invisalign and approximate costs? I'm in Dublin but would consider Louth, Meath areas or going up north. Thanks!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭newbie13


    They mentioned about the retainers would last for 6 months it has only life of 6-7 weeks. I know it is made from different materials but it started to cracked after 7 week.

    wearing the the night time for rest of your life is a down side of it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭percy212


    Be very careful before purchasing invisalign treatment. Get at least two opinions. I made a big mistake paying a lot of money for treatment on a gob that was not suitable for invisalign. Total mess now and I am going somewhere else for train tracks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2 rozzybella


    I was wondering if anyone has had the same experience I have had with the payment plan. I payed the 500 euro deposit and agreed to pay 250 a month thereafter untill it was payed off. My teeth are actually coming along quicker than expected and my dentist said that I have to now pay off my braces in time for when I'm finished my treatment. My problem is, they told me 250 a month untill it was payed off. Why should I have to pay 400 now a month just because my teeth are moving quickly. Has anyone else had a similar problem? Or is what the dentist is asking reasonable? Any help you can me would be really appreciated :-)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2 rozzybella


    I was wondering if anyone has had the same experience I have had with the payment plan. I payed the 500 euro deposit and agreed to pay 250 a month thereafter untill it was payed off. My teeth are actually coming along quicker than expected and my dentist said that I have to now pay off my braces in time for when I'm finished my treatment. My problem is, they told me 250 a month untill it was payed off. Why should I have to pay 400 now a month just because my teeth are moving quickly. Has anyone else had a similar problem? Or is what the dentist is asking reasonable? Any help you can me would be really appreciated :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭newbie13


    no. I did pay e500 deposit than e250 each month 13-14moths. But now I am all with regretful that I went to the invisaglin dentist ..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭btkm8unsl0w5r4


    rozzybella wrote: »
    I was wondering if anyone has had the same experience I have had with the payment plan. I payed the 500 euro deposit and agreed to pay 250 a month thereafter untill it was payed off. My teeth are actually coming along quicker than expected and my dentist said that I have to now pay off my braces in time for when I'm finished my treatment. My problem is, they told me 250 a month untill it was payed off. Why should I have to pay 400 now a month just because my teeth are moving quickly. Has anyone else had a similar problem? Or is what the dentist is asking reasonable? Any help you can me would be really appreciated :-)

    How can they be moving quicker? THe clinicheck sequence will only allow them to move a set amount per aligner. Are you going through aligners faster than was planned, and if so why?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭missjm


    Has anybody used invisalign for an overbite? My teeth are straight but pushed out quite a bit due to years of thumb sucking. If I thought invisalign would help put them back I'd go down that route but everything I'm reading appears to be for crooked or misaligned teeth.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 447 ✭✭qxtasybe1nwfh2


    missjm wrote: »
    Has anybody used invisalign for an overbite? My teeth are straight but pushed out quite a bit due to years of thumb sucking. If I thought invisalign would help put them back I'd go down that route but everything I'm reading appears to be for crooked or misaligned teeth.

    I have over bite and open bite from a tongue trust and so far so good, I have 16 sets and I'm just changing to number 6 tonight.

    I'm happy with the way invisalign is moving my teeth but NOT with my dental clinic, very unprofessional assistants laughing and messing while the dentist is working, also when I got my first set put on by the dentist, it was extremely sore and he even caught my lip in it, the edges were completely rough, and cut the inside of my mouth all round, my dentist told me to file them down with a nail file (which worked but paying so much for an unfinished product!!) and now I have to do this with every set.
    Also the way the first dentist pulled out the mould has affected all my sets, they stick out a bit on my back teeth on one side, they don't hug my teeth like the other side and it cuts my tongue.
    When I was picking up my next few packets, I got a different dentist and she didn't even ask me how I was getting on with them, she just checked the spaces in my teeth were still wide enough, she didn't even look at them in.

    The first week was extremely painful, and I didn't think I would be able to keep it up but now they are fine, even after changing them isn't that sore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭missjm


    I have over bite and open bite from a tongue trust and so far so good, I have 16 sets and I'm just changing to number 6 tonight.

    I'm happy with the way invisalign is moving my teeth but NOT with my dental clinic, very unprofessional assistants laughing and messing while the dentist is working, also when I got my first set put on by the dentist, it was extremely sore and he even caught my lip in it, the edges were completely rough, and cut the inside of my mouth all round, my dentist told me to file them down with a nail file (which worked but paying so much for an unfinished product!!) and now I have to do this with every set.
    Also the way the first dentist pulled out the mould has affected all my sets, they stick out a bit on my back teeth on one side, they don't hug my teeth like the other side and it cuts my tongue.
    When I was picking up my next few packets, I got a different dentist and she didn't even ask me how I was getting on with them, she just checked the spaces in my teeth were still wide enough, she didn't even look at them in.

    The first week was extremely painful, and I didn't think I would be able to keep it up but now they are fine, even after changing them isn't that sore.

    Laura, if this clinic is in Dublin, would you mind PM'ing me the name so I can ensure I avoid it.
    Thanks for the feedback.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 447 ✭✭qxtasybe1nwfh2


    missjm wrote: »
    Laura, if this clinic is in Dublin, would you mind PM'ing me the name so I can ensure I avoid it.
    Thanks for the feedback.

    No problem


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  • Registered Users Posts: 184 ✭✭kwat


    Mod edit no names?
    Met with Mod edit in there today for a consultation. Told I'd have straight teeth after 8 months but to completely realign my bite it would take 18 months (same price - I could stop after 8 months if I was happy at that stage but best results would be for 18 months).
    He said you don't have to carry a toothbrush everywhere if stuck, as long as you rinse your mouth well after eating.
    Seems to be more positives on here than negatives. Have 7 days to decide now before the €500 off promo ends - decisions!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭franglan


    Hi all, just looking for a price comparison here. I live in London and have been quoted £450 for the Clincheck which is non-refundable if I don't go ahead with Invisalign. Best qoute I've got is £3500 for top and bottom Invisalign. The average from just ringing around Orthodontics here in west London is £4K per set of teeth. Orthodontist wants £1000 + £450 before I get my hands on any product really. Just looking for a price comparison in Ireland for Clincheck and aligners.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭franglan


    Just one final question on this, if I pay the £450 to Orthodontist A for the Clincheck do I own that then and could I possibly go to Orthodontist B with it to get Invisalign? Any info would be appreciated!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 447 ✭✭qxtasybe1nwfh2


    franglan wrote: »
    Just one final question on this, if I pay the £450 to Orthodontist A for the Clincheck do I own that then and could I possibly go to Orthodontist B with it to get Invisalign? Any info would be appreciated!

    What is a Clincheck? My first consultation was free, they basically just had a look, gave me an estimation of how long it would take. So I decided then that I would do it, so I put down a deposit of 500euro and they took my moulds and sent them away, 8 weeks later I was back to pick up my first 4 sets and get my buttons put on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭franglan


    I believe the Clincheck is the CAD animation which uses your mould to see how your teeth will look after Invisalign. My Orthodontists wants £450 for this to be done alone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 447 ✭✭qxtasybe1nwfh2


    franglan wrote: »
    I believe the Clincheck is the CAD animation which uses your mould to see how your teeth will look after Invisalign. My Orthodontists wants £450 for this to be done alone.

    OOOOhh right, I just got that when I was picking up my first set of aligners. Pretty cool


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭franglan


    You paid for it some way no doubt. Anyone else got an opinion on this?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 447 ✭✭qxtasybe1nwfh2


    franglan wrote: »
    You paid for it some way no doubt. Anyone else got an opinion on this?

    Well I'm sure it was included in the over all package obviously


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭franglan


    FYI - got my ClinCheck done today. Got quoted a total of £3600, so £450 today and the rest for the aligners (top and bottom). Estimated timeframe of 12-15 months, will know more when the ClinCheck comes back.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14 SugarCane


    Hi, I'm signed up to get invisalign in the next few weeks, and I was wondering if people could tell me about their experiences with the IPR (teeth filing). Was it painful? Do you're teeth become hyper sensitive? In the dental clinic they said your teeth can "remineralise" whatever that means! Any thoughts on this would be great! :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 447 ✭✭qxtasybe1nwfh2


    SugarCane wrote: »
    Hi, I'm signed up to get invisalign in the next few weeks, and I was wondering if people could tell me about their experiences with the IPR (teeth filing). Was it painful? Do you're teeth become hyper sensitive? In the dental clinic they said your teeth can "remineralise" whatever that means! Any thoughts on this would be great! :)

    Hi there, I found it fine, he didn't tell me when he was starting to do it which is good because I am a very nervous patient, didn't find it bad at all but the sound of the drilling is the worst! No sensitivity either. Be prepared though because the first week is the most painful, but after that is fine so just push through! I am on my second last set of alighners and I am delighted with the results!


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Very late to this but can anyone PM me recommendations?


  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭MWK1811


    Very helpful posts, thanks. Would anyone be able to PM me the names of the clinics where they got Invisalign and approximate costs? I'm in Dublin but would consider Louth, Meath areas or going up north. Thanks!


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