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Etiquette Vs Gamesmanship

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  • #52
    BigChap1759
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭BigChap1759


    Redzah wrote: »
    Sorry I forgot you guys are never mentally phased and have nerves of steel. I must add that to the growing list of boards members talents which include hitting the ball 300+ yards on a regular basis :D.

    I struggle to comprehend how some of you guys are not;

    a. On the European or US Tour
    b. A mind coach making big bucks
    c. A category 1 golfer
    d. A category 2 golfer
    e. All of the above (i know not possible but u get my point)

    The more u can put thoughts in a competitors head, even if he is thinking 'this guy is a plonker', the less he is able concentrate on his game

    In fairness now why did you ask the question if you weren't prepared to listen to the answer?


  • #53
    Mizuno Man
    Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭Mizuno Man


    To the OP: You'll just have to accept that many golfers such as yourself will run the risk of psyching yourself out of a match. You seem to be expending lots of mental energy trying to think of ways to get into your opponents head when in all likelihood your opponent will probably be oblivious to what you are trying to do. I certainly know that I would be.

    I have seen lots of strange efforts at 'gamesmanship' over the years and not one thing has affected how I played a match. The only thing that has gotten to me has been quality golf. Brilliant putting in particular. But gimme this and good-good that will just not work on most players.

    Personally I think you're making the easy mistake of assuming that what affects you in a match must affect everyone else too.

    On an aside, it could not possibly be against the rules to ask for a gimme. In every pro matchplay event you'll see it all the time when a guy looks to the other guy and asks if the one after his lag putt is good. Also, offering a half when you both have 3 footers is actually saying "I'll give you your putt if you give me mine." Again that's something you'll see pretty frequently...


  • #54
    FixdePitchmark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,958 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Redzah wrote: »
    Sorry I forgot you guys are never mentally phased and have nerves of steel. I must add that to the growing list of boards members talents which include hitting the ball 300+ yards on a regular basis :D.

    I struggle to comprehend how some of you guys are not;

    a. On the European or US Tour
    b. A mind coach making big bucks
    c. A category 1 golfer
    d. A category 2 golfer
    e. All of the above (i know not possible but u get my point)

    The more u can put thoughts in a competitors head, even if he is thinking 'this guy is a plonker', the less he is able concentrate on his game


    Redzah.

    I'd say there are lads on here who work in or are in the above options. I know a is a stretch, but i bet a few who tried are here.

    And a few who can hit it 300 yrds.


  • #55
    stockdam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭stockdam


    Redzah wrote: »
    Sorry I forgot you guys are never mentally phased and have nerves of steel. I must add that to the growing list of boards members talents which include hitting the ball 300+ yards on a regular basis :D.

    I struggle to comprehend how some of you guys are not;

    a. On the European or US Tour
    b. A mind coach making big bucks
    c. A category 1 golfer
    d. A category 2 golfer
    e. All of the above (i know not possible but u get my point)

    The more u can put thoughts in a competitors head, even if he is thinking 'this guy is a plonker', the less he is able concentrate on his game

    Well I was one of the above but no I don't hit the ball 300+ yards. I played a lot of matchplay and never worried about games within games. I tried to hole every putt and chip and always assumed that my opponent might hole his. I never assumed that I would get a gimme - if it was missable then why should my opponent give it to me; if it was an easy putt then I didn't mind holing it. Suggesting "good-good" from 6 feet would just make me laugh.


  • #56
    Redzah
    Registered Users Posts: 913 ✭✭✭Redzah


    BigChap1759 wrote: »
    In fairness now why did you ask the question if you weren't prepared to listen to the answer?

    Ah in fairness big chap i've taken most of the posters views in and will consider going forward so i've got a lot out of the thread, there's just a few on this forum that dislike me and don't offer much in the way of a contribution (whyner being an example above, closely followed by the house mod).

    Cheers to the majority for your input, good-good seems to be a no-go for the majority and the mental mindgames also don't sit well with the majority. I'll consider these points made in future.


  • #57
    FixdePitchmark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,958 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Redzah wrote: »
    Ah in fairness big chap i've taken most of the posters views in and will consider going forward so i've got a lot out of the thread, there's just a few on this forum that dislike me and don't offer much in the way of a contribution (whyner being an example above, closely followed by the house mod).

    Cheers to the majority for your input, good-good seems to be a no-go for the majority and the mental mindgames also don't sit well with the majority. I'll consider these points made in future.

    I Love you Redzah :P

    Your off mad low **** ( 2 or 3) ?. Anybody at that hcap can say what they like. :D;)


  • #58
    matt-dublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭matt-dublin


    **puts out candlelit dinner service for Redzah and FixedPitchMark


  • #59
    Redzah
    Registered Users Posts: 913 ✭✭✭Redzah


    FixdePitchmark wrote: »
    I Love you Redzah :P

    Your off mad low **** ( 2 or 3) ?. Anybody at that hcap can say what they like. :D;)

    :D cheers pitchmark. Just enjoy the banter and some meaningful debates.


  • #60
    PhilipMarlowe
    Subscribers Posts: 4,419 ✭✭✭PhilipMarlowe


    Also bear in mind that despite your mental strength and confidence of holing the 6 footer, you missed it. It could be argued that you distracted yourself with you (possible) mind games or that your opponents psyched you out by blanking your request :) I'd be more inclined to base the miss on probabilities myself...

    Regarding all the mental animals on here, the game is hard enough without admitting that you are vulnerable. Don't expect many confessions.


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  • #61
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Redzah wrote: »
    Sorry I forgot you guys are never mentally phased and have nerves of steel.

    The more u can put thoughts in a competitors head, even if he is thinking 'this guy is a plonker', the less he is able concentrate on his game

    Im afraid you've totally lost me now.:confused:
    On one hand you say you do this to get inside someones head, then on the same thread you say you would laugh at someone who did it to you and then you go on to have an issue with someone saying that they wouldnt be phased by it. Do you have some multiple personality disorder or something?

    So which is it? Or are we just meant to believe that you are the only one with this steel trap of a mind and the rest of the golfing world should tremble at the mere mention of your name? Coz, erm well...no.

    Personally if someone said good-good to me on a 6 foot putt I'd take it as you conceding my putt and then watch you attempt to putt out.

    Offering good-good to me says you are not confident in your putt and it would give me more confidence not less. This childish attempt at trying to get inside my head would also leave me thinking that you are a bit of an idiot to be honest and I would waste no more time thinking about you and go back to playing golf.:cool:


  • #62
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Redzah wrote: »
    there's just a few on this forum that dislike me and don't offer much in the way of a contribution (whyner being an example above, closely followed by the house mod).

    Not agreeing with you doesnt mean people dont like you. In this case its just a coincidence.


  • #63
    Whyner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,689 ✭✭✭Whyner


    Redzah wrote: »
    Ah in fairness big chap i've taken most of the posters views in and will consider going forward so i've got a lot out of the thread, there's just a few on this forum that dislike me and don't offer much in the way of a contribution (whyner being an example above, closely followed by the house mod).

    I can only dislike what you post, with this thread at the top of my list.


  • #64
    Redzah
    Registered Users Posts: 913 ✭✭✭Redzah


    PhilipMarlowe wrote: »
    Also bear in mind that despite your mental strength and confidence of holing the 6 footer, you missed it. It could be argued that you distracted yourself with you (possible) mind games or that your opponents psyched you out by blanking your request :) I'd be more inclined to base the miss on probabilities myself...

    Regarding all the mental animals on here, the game is hard enough without admitting that you are vulnerable. Don't expect many confessions.

    :D Cheers Philip, it was probabilities as i hit a pretty good put, just took more break than i thought but I understand your point.


  • #65
    Redzah
    Registered Users Posts: 913 ✭✭✭Redzah


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Im afraid you've totally lost me now.:confused:
    On one hand you say you do this to get inside someones head, then on the same thread you say you would laugh at someone who did it to you and then you go on to have an issue with someone saying that they wouldnt be phased by it. Do you have some multiple personality disorder or something?

    So which is it? Or are we just meant to believe that you are the only one with this steel trap of a mind and the rest of the golfing world should tremble at the mere mention of your name? Coz, erm well...no.

    Personally if someone said good-good to me on a 6 foot putt I'd take it as you conceding my putt and then watch you attempt to putt out.

    Offering good-good to me says you are not confident in your putt and it would give me more confidence not less. This childish attempt at trying to get inside my head would also leave me thinking that you are a bit of an idiot to be honest and I would waste no more time thinking about you and go back to playing golf.:cool:

    You would be completely wrong to take it as me conceding and would only end up making a fool of yourself if u did. The way i asked is 'shall we walk on' so if u then pick up your marker then I have every right to pick mine up. God i'd love to play u in a match, it would be epic, apart from all the shots i'd have to give u.

    See, the thing is I have an expectation that the answer will be 'No' before I suggest this so when I hear the expected answer it does not phase me as it met my expectations so I just continue on and more often than not hole the put. All of a sudden my opponent has to make a putt which 3 mins earlier he had the option of not having to putt this. Of course this enters his mind at some stage whether it is 'i'm gonna get this to shut this guy up after chancing his arm like that' or 'Damn, i should've just accepted', either way i have him thinking about more than he should be.


  • #66
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Redzah wrote: »
    You would be completely wrong to take it as me conceding and would only end up making a fool of yourself if u did. The way i asked is 'shall we walk on' so if u then pick up your marker then I have every right to pick mine up. God i'd love to play u in a match, it would be epic, apart from all the shots i'd have to give u.
    You say you are a full member but then show the thoughts of a 12 year old.
    Clouded your mind is.
    Redzah wrote: »
    See, the thing is I have an expectation that the answer will be 'No' before I suggest this so when I hear the expected answer it does not phase me as it met my expectations so I just continue on and more often than not hole the put. All of a sudden my opponent has to make a putt which 3 mins earlier he had the option of not having to putt this. Of course this enters his mind at some stage whether it is 'i'm gonna get this to shut this guy up after chancing his arm like that' or 'Damn, i should've just accepted', either way i have him thinking about more than he should be.
    You are clearly deeply inside your own mind but for some reason think your games are affecting anyone else but not yourself.
    What happens if the person says "yes"? Are you now phased as you got the answer (in your own words) that you didnt expect?

    "All of a sudden" doesnt come into it at all. As has been pointed out to you, anyone with any experience of matchplay expects to have to hole every putt every time.

    You are tying yourself in knots in the mistaken impression that you are playing games with peoples heads. You are wasting your limited resources over thinking irrelevant scenarios while your opponents are playing golf.

    Side question, why does it take you 3 mins to take a putt? Is this why it takes you 30 mins to play a hole? Can I redirect you to the slow play thread, for all our benefit? Thanks!;)


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  • #67
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,914 ✭✭✭Russman


    Redzah wrote: »
    either way i have him thinking about more than he should be.

    This is the bit I can't get my head around, I'm not sure thats necessarily the case. It wouldn't bother me in the slightest, I'd never expect to be given a 6 footer anyway. If someone holes a 6 foot putt its a good putt, it might be different with a 2 footer thats missable, but i still doubt it. You can miss a 6 footer for any number of reasons, even if you hit a good putt it may not go in, so you could never say a miss was because you got into his head.

    "Good, good" with two short putts is generally to speed up things or to avoid spending 5 minutes over two putts that the guys are more than likely to both hole. If someone wants to try to use "mind games" in that situation......well, its a waste of time IMO.


  • #68
    Draupnir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,548 ✭✭✭Draupnir


    Have you considered that good putters actually like putting?

    If you asked me to pick up any putt that was remotely long or interesting I'd be looking forward to having a go at it too much to even dream of accepting. I'd just be asking myself if you were the full shilling.


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