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Porn in ireland

  • 25-09-2006 9:09pm
    #1
    Aoife-FM104
    Closed Accounts Posts: 279 ✭✭


    I have a love/hate relationship with porn. On the one hand I think people should be allowed do whatever they want as long as everyone is agreeing, and this would include porn, but on the other hand I can't help but feel uncomfortable with porn. I do like it sometimes but there is a small part of me which feels it is wrong. I don't know why I feel that way cause I think I'm quite open minded!

    The fact that I have that small "it's wrong" feeling kind of makes me even more interested in porn. I was listening to a podcast by an irish pornographer yesterday and I'm not sure if I feel disgust or if I admire him! A bit of both I think, and that bothers me.

    Basically what I'm saying is that porn throws up lots of confusing emotions from deep inside of me!!

    #1 Should porn be totally accepted if everyone involved is happy to do it / watch it / etc?
    #2 Why do some people (me included) have such conflicting emotions regarding porn? I am not catholic. Is it because these feelings are "natural" or is it society etc which has messed me up???

    I admit I don't like the fact porn is sold in Centra etc. I think it is a specialist thing and should only be available to people who are looking for it (searching on the internet, going into sex shops, etc.)


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  • #2
    Tha Gopher
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Tha Gopher


    Two questions

    1- Who was the Irish pornographer?

    2- What feckin Centras sell porn? (theres a difference between Ben Dover films and Max Power magazine in all fairness)

    Ah porn, the great oul hypocritical form of entertainment. Its great stuff, as long as its not my daughter/sister/ other female relative involved. tbh we have often contemplated the idea of making our own pornos- imagine how much people in your locality would pay to see local girls theyve seen around the place getting lashed on camera. Yid make a mint, and i can think of a handful who would take part for a cut of lets say 300 euro.

    Sorry for the crudeness and the more AH approach to a Huamanities thread, but Im drunk.


  • #3
    Aoife-FM104
    Closed Accounts Posts: 279 ✭✭Aoife-FM104


    If you go to sex dot ie and look at the second post you will see the podcast.

    Every Centra sells porn!! Yeah it's softcore but the covers are very raunchy! You wouldn't know they are Playboy types just by glancing at their covers!!


  • #4
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    I would have difficulty considering FHM or Loaded as porn even 30 years ago not that I was looking back then, oh heck thats a lie - first saw Mayfair back when I was 8 or 9. As I hadnt hit puberty the tasteful images of nekkid ladies
    meant nothing beyond the fact they looked pretty.

    I don't have any confusion about the consumption of it. I'd just prefer that it knew its place, even a total athiest/liberal like me would like to know there are places low grade junk like Loaded is not going to be staring back at me so in that sense the rapid "soft-pornification" of society is at times uncomfortable.

    Mike.


  • #5
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Aoife-FM104 wrote:
    #1 Should porn be totally accepted if everyone involved is happy to do it / watch it / etc?
    What do you define as porn. Technically that guy in Europe who let himself be eatten alive by another man while they video taped it was "porn". That is a bit different to two or three or four people having sex. That in turn is a bit different to a woman (or man) pleasuring himself.

    You can't just say that "all porn" is acceptable or "no porn" is acceptable.
    Aoife-FM104 wrote:
    #2 Why do some people (me included) have such conflicting emotions regarding porn? I am not catholic. Is it because these feelings are "natural" or is it society etc which has messed me up???

    Its because most people have hang ups about sex, even those who claim they don't.

    There are tons of reasons for these hang ups, and tons of hangups. Without knowing you I would have no idea what hang ups you possess, only that you do (like everyone) possess them.


  • #6
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Aoife-FM104 wrote:
    Why do some people (me included) have such conflicting emotions regarding porn? I am not catholic. Is it because these feelings are "natural" or is it society etc which has messed me up???
    Society only legalised it in Ireland in the 90's, so I think it's safe to say "society" is somewhat responsible for the residual feeling of uncomfortableness. :)

    Where actual "porn" is often classed as being degrading to women, I find what they write in Loaded/FHM etc degrading to men.


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  • #7
    Tha Gopher
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Tha Gopher


    Aoife-FM104 wrote:
    #2 Why do some people (me included) have such conflicting emotions regarding porn? I am not catholic.


    I am.

    Well, I dont pray, I dont go to mass, and until the recent furore Id have probably took 5 seconds to remember the popes name was Benedict, but at the same time I can never get this "ah! Catholicism! Unclean! Unclean!" attitude on boards. You would think the church had ever had an effect on your lives the way some here act. Someone born in the 40s and who lived under a Catholic government the Taliban modelled themselves on, hatred I can understand. But for those born in the 70s and 80s, who did a whopping 30 minutes per week of religion in school and went to mass less times than they went to the Med, tbh its childish.

    Sorry Im gone off topic. HURRAH FOR PORNO!!!


  • #8
    monkeyfudge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,216 ✭✭✭✭monkeyfudge


    Aoife-FM104 wrote:
    I admit I don't like the fact porn is sold in Centra etc. I think it is a specialist thing and should only be available to people who are looking for it (searching on the internet, going into sex shops, etc.)
    Sex is an incredibly important factor in survival of the human race, just like eating and drinking are... why shouldn't it be sold next to sausage rolls and bottled water then?


  • #9
    Aoife-FM104
    Closed Accounts Posts: 279 ✭✭Aoife-FM104


    :D

    Yes, I know sex + eating + breathing + sleeping + shelter are vital.

    I'm jsut saying there is something about seeing porn in my local shop which makes me mildly uncomfortable.

    For the record I also think seeing chopped up animals is a bit wrong, and breathing smoke is a bit wrong, and eating junk food is a bit wrong... so I do have some issues with all the "vital" things in life...

    Did you listen to the podcast? Did he make you admire him or disgust him????


  • #10
    Hobbes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,264 ✭✭✭✭Hobbes


    mike65 wrote:
    I would have difficulty considering FHM or Loaded as porn even 30 years ago

    When your a kid with raging hormones even an argos catalog can seem like a pron mag.


  • #11
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Hobbes wrote:
    When your a kid with raging hormones even an argos catalog can seem like a pron mag.

    You too ... the bathroom and shower section ... ummm :p


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  • #12
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Hobbes wrote:
    When your a kid with raging hormones even an argos catalog can seem like a pron mag.
    It doesn't change when you're older.
    Mmmmm. Power tools.


  • #13
    bonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    Aoife-FM104 wrote:
    #1 Should porn be totally accepted if everyone involved is happy to do it / watch it / etc?

    I think the inverse of that question is more telling.

    Why shouldn't porn be totally accepted if....
    #2 Why do some people (me included) have such conflicting emotions regarding porn? I am not catholic. Is it because these feelings are "natural" or is it society etc which has messed me up???
    Ignoring whether or not its messed up, the simple answer is that there is a conflict between evolution and environment.

    The more complex answer involves determining which of these is more fitting to the current day and age.

    There is no right answer.
    I admit I don't like the fact porn is sold in Centra etc. I think it is a specialist thing and should only be available to people who are looking for it (searching on the internet, going into sex shops, etc.)
    Does it offend you that something you have no need for is on sale in a shop you frequent?

    I'm not a parent. Why do I have to be subjected to things like nappies and soothers and the like being on sale in my local shop? Why can't they be put somewhere specialist where only the people looking for them can find it?

    I also hate domesticism. I don't want cleaning products on sale where I buy my snack-food, frozen pizza, etc. They depress me and amke me feel bad that I'm not a cleaner person.

    Do these sound like reasonable objections? If not, then how is yours different?

    jc


  • #14
    Aoife-FM104
    Closed Accounts Posts: 279 ✭✭Aoife-FM104


    bonkey wrote:
    Do these sound like reasonable objections? If not, then how is yours different?

    jc

    Yes I know I probably should not feel porn on sale in Centra is wrong, but I still feel that way. It bothers me that I feel that way! It's like I've been mildly brainwashed, and even though I don't want these feelings, I can't help but have them...


  • #15
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Aoife-FM104 wrote:
    Yes I know I probably should not feel porn on sale in Centra is wrong, but I still feel that way. It bothers me that I feel that way! It's like I've been mildly brainwashed, and even though I don't want these feelings, I can't help but have them...

    I think part of the problem maybe the taboo that surrounds it is giving you the wrong idea about what most mainstream porn actually is.

    Why don't you watch some porn. Normal (albet hardcore) stuff and see what it is all about. Its just sex after all. You can find a range of stuff on the internet

    And it doesn't have to be weird or freaky stuff either. I don't know why but people seem to always think that all the porn produced is freaky SM bondage stuff or something like that. The vast majority, unless you go looking for the freaky stuff, is simply a man or woman (or 2 women and a man) having sex.

    We all do that, we all know what is going on. These people just happen to be a lot better looking than us, and seem to be enjoying it a lot more :p

    The majority of porn is actually hilariously bad, like a really cheesy American soap opera. Just with more sex.


  • #16
    simu
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,730 ✭✭✭✭simu


    Most of the porn they have in shops is very much marketed at men - maybe that's what bothers you? (They say most women don't dig porn but I'll not believe it. Porn for women is an industry waiting to boom imo!)


  • #17
    Pyr0
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,967 ✭✭✭Pyr0


    I've always wondered, would women like looking at two gay men ? Or the usual man and woman ? Just saying as a lot of guys like the whole girl on girl kind of thing.


  • #18
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Pyr0 wrote:
    I've always wondered, would women like looking at two gay men ? Or the usual man and woman ? Just saying as a lot of guys like the whole girl on girl kind of thing.

    I've been told it doesn't work the other way. Probably because the reasons a woman finds a man attractive aren't the reasons a man finds a woman attractive.


  • #19
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Wicknight wrote:
    I've been told it doesn't work the other way. Probably because the reasons a woman finds a man attractive aren't the reasons a man finds a woman attractive.


    That is not always the case, some women do. There is a large market for Yaoi style porn and erotica.


  • #20
    kowloon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,507 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Personally i like anything with donkeys in it, but tasteful, just donkeys posing in their natuaral environment.
    But thats just me.
    I love a bit of donkey...................



    ;)


  • #21
    monkeyfudge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,216 ✭✭✭✭monkeyfudge


    kowloon wrote:
    Personally i like anything with donkeys in it, but tasteful, just donkeys posing in their natuaral environment.
    But thats just me.
    I love a bit of donkey...................
    I hope you had a chance to see this exhibition when it was on.


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  • #22
    SmoothyG
    Registered Users Posts: 137 ✭✭SmoothyG


    Hey OP,
    I challenge you to go to your local Centra and buy a porn mag.
    I think the feelings you experience while doing that will give you a better understanding of why you have a problem with it.
    Personaly i think it will be 1 of 2 problems.

    1)you think porn is disgusting
    2)you think other people think you are disgusting if you watch porn, i.e. you think everyone else thinks like 1) and will have a lower opinion of you. where you dont have a problem with it.


  • #23
    Zulu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,965 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    SmoothyG wrote:
    Hey OP,
    I challenge you to go to your local Centra and buy a porn mag.
    I think the feelings you experience while doing that will give you a better understanding of why you have a problem with it.
    Personaly i think it will be 1 of 2 problems.

    1)you think porn is disgusting
    2)you think other people think you are disgusting if you watch porn, i.e. you think everyone else thinks like 1) and will have a lower opinion of you. where you dont have a problem with it.
    Excelent post/idea Smoothy.


  • #24
    wearinganappy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4 ✭wearinganappy


    whats porn

    Let no person reply if they never fantisied say they dont have a fetish or say that risky sex ie not in the bed (how boring). Its human nature. However what defines in my book porn is when its non consulting and underage and involves animals. Life is to short

    Is it okay to sell mags in Centra and Spar. Absolutely not

    Sex shops yes .

    I love my fetish and it interfers with nobody else


  • #25
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    I think this just sounds like you are disgusted by pornography and don't have the courage to just say it. Hence all the "open minded" guff about not minding others viewing it.

    Centra and spar should be able to sell what they want. For the record, I think you are confusing soft porn top shelf mags with proper jazz mags in this instance.

    If you object to porn availability on the age factor, the age ban for smut is the same whether or not its a sex shop or a Centra and under agers will get their hands on, no matter what, anyway. Ever hear of the net?

    If you object on a general level, then you definitely just find it disgusting (or so it sounds to me). Just admit it.




    Aoife-FM104 wrote:
    I admit I don't like the fact porn is sold in Centra etc. I think it is a specialist thing and should only be available to people who are looking for it (searching on the internet, going into sex shops, etc.)


  • #26
    mountainyman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,268 ✭✭✭mountainyman


    Porn is incredibly destructive. It is evil.
    [1] There is an extremely close correlation between 'acting' in porn and methamphetamine / cocaine addiction. Further the actors have a very high suicide rate and end up with nothing.
    [2] It creates bizarre and unnatural sexual desires and makes people feel like sexual failures if they aren't rimming goats
    [3] It is about the objectification and degradation of women: Pornography means writing about whores
    [4] The people who actually make the money are scum
    [5] It is an addiction and leads from FHM, to Hustler, to Ass Eating Bitches to 9 Year Old Hussies, to Dead Sluts

    It is time to take Ireland back from the pornographers!!!

    MM


  • #27
    Ciaran500
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    mountainyman wrote:
    [2] It creates bizarre and unnatural sexual desires and makes people feel like sexual failures if they aren't rimming goats
    Bullsh*t
    mountainyman wrote:
    [3] It is about the objectification and degradation of women: Pornography means writing about whores
    The depends on the porn, theres plenty of porn around that has the degredation of men
    mountainyman wrote:
    [4] The people who actually make the money are scum
    :rolleyes:
    mountainyman wrote:
    [5] It is an addiction and leads from FHM, to Hustler, to Ass Eating Bitches to 9 Year Old Hussies, to Dead Sluts
    Yeah, everyone that looks at porn ends up watching child and rape porn. Another stupid generalisation by you as to how people end up as paedos.


  • #28
    MrJoeSoap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    I wouldn't take too much notice of mountainyman, he has a bit of a trolling problem.


  • #29
    aidan24326
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    Mountainyman, I hope you were only trolling as if you really believe all that sh1te you wrote then you are beyond help.

    OP, you simply have some taboo issues with the subject from what I can see. A slight discomfort with it for whatever reason. You are hardly alone and I wouldn't say it's anything much to be too concerned about. But as other posters have pointed out most mainstream porn is simply two (or 3,4) people having sex. Most of it isn't a whole lot different to what the rest of us get up to in the bedroom. Just a bit more exaggerated and done by (usually) fit attractive people who just happen to get paid for it. Nice work if you ask me :D


  • #30
    mountainyman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,268 ✭✭✭mountainyman


    Ciaran500 wrote:
    Bullsh*t
    so eloquent- but just as cogent as the rest of your argument.
    Ciaran500 wrote:
    Bullsh*t
    Yeah, everyone that looks at porn ends up watching child and rape porn. Another stupid generalisation by you as to how people end up as paedos.
    It is not necessary that a given piece of pornography lead to sexual violence or paedophilic activities in the case of every viewer of that piece of pornography in order that the piece of pornography be described as leading to sexual violence or paedophilic activities. It is only necessary that it lead to such behaviour in one single case.
    Further unless one regards the pornographers right to make a profit as equivalent to the child's right not to be raped then if a piece of pornography causes or contributes to the above activities it should be prevented.
    Ciaran500 wrote:
    Bullsh*t
    ...depends on the porn, theres plenty of porn around that has the degredation of men...
    I don't think you understand what I mean.

    MM


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  • #31
    mountainyman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,268 ✭✭✭mountainyman


    Ciaran500 wrote:
    Nice work if you ask me
    Aidan the category Porn Stars Who Commited Suicide has its own wikipedia page!
    Nice work indeed.

    MM


  • #32
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    Mother of divine Jaysus :eek:

    mountainyman wrote:
    Further unless one regards the pornographers right to make a profit as equivalent to the child's right not to be raped then if a piece of pornography causes or contributes to the above activities it should be prevented.


  • #33
    Just My View
    Closed Accounts Posts: 164 ✭✭Just My View


    Porn doesn't contribute to deviant sexual behaviour in much the same way as cookery books don't lead to trying new recipies.



    * Edited Spelling


  • #34
    Ciaran500
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    mountainyman wrote:
    It is not necessary that a given piece of pornography lead to sexual violence or paedophilic activities in the case of every viewer of that piece of pornography in order that the piece of pornography be described as leading to sexual violence or paedophilic activities. It is only necessary that it lead to such behaviour in one single case.
    In that single case how can you say its porns fault? Do you really think that paedos would never think of having sex with a child if he had no acces to porn?
    mountainyman wrote:
    Further unless one regards the pornographers right to make a profit as equivalent to the child's right not to be raped then if a piece of pornography causes or contributes to the above activities it should be prevented.
    So blame the maker for someone who abuses the product? Do gun makers get blamed in murders?


  • #35
    tbh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    mountainyman wrote:
    [2] It creates bizarre and unnatural sexual desires and makes people feel like sexual failures if they aren't rimming goats

    jesus MM what kind of porn are you watching?? or maybe you are just exaggerating to make a point? little tip - if you have to exaggerate to make the point, it's a weak point.


  • #36
    mountainyman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,268 ✭✭✭mountainyman


    Ciaran500 wrote:
    In that single case how can you say its porns fault? Do you really think that paedos would never think of having sex with a child if he had no acces to porn?
    There may be one or persons for whom that is true. By seeing it on screen a vague desire may be concretised.
    Ciaran500 wrote:
    So blame the maker for someone who abuses the product? Do gun makers get blamed in murders?
    Yes all the time.

    MM


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  • #37
    mountainyman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,268 ✭✭✭mountainyman


    tbh wrote:
    jesus MM what kind of porn are you watching?? or maybe you are just exaggerating to make a point? little tip - if you have to exaggerate to make the point, it's a weak point.
    Fair enough: Porn creates the belief that sex is a sort of competition, one has to engage in odder and odder behaviour. So if you like man on top woman underneath kissing and ****ing with the same woman then you are a loser.
    Just as a for example what about the advice on cunnilingus sometimes given here to 'watch porn' that is just wrong.
    So porn makes you feel like a sexual failure then turns you into one.

    MM


  • #38
    tbh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    mountainyman wrote:
    Fair enough: Porn creates the belief that sex is a sort of competition, one has to engage in odder and odder behaviour. So if you like man on top woman underneath kissing and ****ing with the same woman then you are a loser.

    where are you getting this from? Is that your opinion or wha? cause I have to say, it doesn't have that effect on me, or anyone I know.
    I'm not denying that it happens, just maybe thats a personal thing for you, don't tar us all with the same brush.
    So porn makes you feel like a sexual failure then turns you into one.
    MM

    replace "you" with "me" and I'll accept your point.


  • #39
    Ciaran500
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    mountainyman wrote:
    There may be one or persons for whom that is true. By seeing it on screen a vague desire may be concretised.
    So its gone from "It creates bizarre and unnatural sexual desires" to it may happen. Yay, lets start banning stuff that may cause problems.

    You're posting nothing but speculation, that in my experience and other people on here is completleyt untrue.


  • #40
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    mountainyman wrote:
    It is not necessary that a given piece of pornography lead to sexual violence or paedophilic activities in the case of every viewer of that piece of pornography in order that the piece of pornography be described as leading to sexual violence or paedophilic activities. It is only necessary that it lead to such behaviour in one single case.
    MM

    Your specious reasoning reminds me of a quote from a Judge Dredd comic years back:
    [QUOTE-Judge Death]All crime is commited by the living, therefore life itself is a crime![/QUOTE]

    Granted he was a little more menacing and had lots of ssss's after most words, but the point is that you are incorrectly diagnosing the cause of the problem and wanting others to be blamed incorrectly as a result.


  • #41
    Motley Crue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,382 ✭✭✭Motley Crue


    Aoife-FM104 wrote:
    I have a love/hate relationship with porn. On the one hand I think people should be allowed do whatever they want as long as everyone is agreeing

    This is kind of a contradiction in terms, I mean, if I decided that the Rolling Stones should be killed and I was able to get enough signatories in agreeance then I still just should be allowed to kill Mick Jagger et all just because people are agreeing with me, I should accept that Murder is wrong and against the law. It works with all sorts of examples, but people doing whatever they want according to everyone agreeing will never happen because unilaterial thinking is not a trait of the human race.
    Aoife-FM104 wrote:
    The fact that I have that small "it's wrong" feeling kind of makes me even more interested in porn.

    As it does with me, I mean I certainly wouldnt feel objected to looking at porn, but I think that (especially when I was 16 and 17) porn had a more alluring appeal then...lets say, vandalism...because you couldnt get arrested for looking at porn and because when it was mentioned youre parents went 'oh god, filthy disgusting stuff'

    On an off point, I used to work in a newsagent when I was 16, and at the end of the month the girls who worked with me used to give me a full brown paper bag of pornography (theyd rip off the front cover and give me the rest of the magazine cause they were supposed to throw that part out) because they were a couple of years older then me and said it would help me apprichate a woman more if I knew what her bits and pieces looked like before I really saw them, I can honestly say, it was the first exposure I ever had of a naked women
    Aoife-FM104 wrote:
    I admit I don't like the fact porn is sold in Centra etc. I think it is a specialist thing and should only be available to people who are looking for it

    Again, as with my previous experience, I dont believe its right to give people the oppuruntity to buy that kind of hardcore material in a local Centra (or even the City Centre branches) but I think its up to the individual on whether or not they want to buy it


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  • #42
    mountainyman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,268 ✭✭✭mountainyman


    humanji wrote:
    Your specious reasoning reminds me of a quote from a Judge Dredd comic years back:


    Granted he was a little more menacing and had lots of ssss's after most words, but the point is that you are incorrectly diagnosing the cause of the problem and wanting others to be blamed incorrectly as a result.
    My reasoning is specious but your authority is a character from a comic.
    Nice one.

    MM


  • #43
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    mountainyman wrote:
    My reasoning is specious but your authority is a character from a comic.
    Nice one.

    MM

    It was a quote that shows equally specious reasoning as your own, but on an exaggerated scale to show the absurdity of it. You're claiming that all porn is dangerous because one person might be affected by it. It's ludicrous.


  • #44
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    mountainyman wrote:
    There is an extremely close correlation between 'acting' in porn and methamphetamine / cocaine addiction.
    There is an extermely close correlation between drug addiction and acting fullstop, be it in porn or $200 million Hollywood movies. How many Hollywood actors have died of drug over doses in the last 10 years?

    Any industry that pays people large amounts of money for little "work" (I'm sure Tom Cruise believes what he is doing is work, but it ain't cleaning toliets for 8 hours) will attract or produce some people with drug problems, simply because the combination of quick money and large periods of non-working "down time," including a culture of parties and having a good time, allows someone to take up drugs..
    mountainyman wrote:
    Further the actors have a very high suicide rate and end up with nothing.
    The vast majority of the actors do not end up with nothing. Where did you get that from? What you think they aren't paid?
    mountainyman wrote:
    It creates bizarre and unnatural sexual desires and makes people feel like sexual failures if they aren't rimming goats
    The overwhelming vast majority of pornography produced in the US and Europe shows men and women having the same kind of sex that you can find in any bed room up and down the country. Beastality is illegal in the US and most EU countries, and as such the porn studios cannot legally produce such material. I would imagine that if someone is that bothered to seek out a woman rimming a goat they already have "unnatural sexual desires"
    mountainyman wrote:
    It is about the objectification and degradation of women: Pornography means writing about whores
    Both the men and the women in porn are objectified. That is the point. Most porn movies that attempt to put story or characterisation into the movie come across being silly.
    mountainyman wrote:
    The people who actually make the money are scum
    I suggest you watch "Porn: A Family Business" on E4, about the family who produces the Seymore Butts range of videos. While I wouldn't call them angels they certainly wouldn't be "scum"
    mountainyman wrote:
    It is an addiction and leads from FHM, to Hustler, to Ass Eating Bitches to 9 Year Old Hussies, to Dead Sluts
    Is that what happened to you....?


  • #45
    mountainyman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,268 ✭✭✭mountainyman


    humanji wrote:
    It was a quote that shows equally specious reasoning as your own, but on an exaggerated scale to show the absurdity of it. You're claiming that all porn is dangerous because one person might be affected by it. It's ludicrous.
    If one person might be affected by Porn then it is dangerous. You might regard your right to jerk off or bob Guccione's right to make a profit as equivalent to a child's right to a childhood, but if the even one child is raped because of porn or if it can be asserted that even one child might be raped then it should be banned.

    MM


  • #46
    mountainyman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,268 ✭✭✭mountainyman


    Wicknight wrote:
    Is that what happened to you....?
    I don't watch porn.

    MM


  • #47
    tbh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    mountainyman wrote:
    If one person might be affected by Porn then it is dangerous. You might regard your right to jerk off or bob Guccione's right to make a profit as equivalent to a child's right to a childhood, but if the even one child is raped because of porn or if it can be asserted that even one child might be raped then it should be banned.

    MM

    I look forward to your "ban driving" thread. and your "ban drinking" thread. And....etc.


  • #48
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    mountainyman wrote:
    If one person might be affected by Porn then it is dangerous. You might regard your right to jerk off or bob Guccione's right to make a profit as equivalent to a child's right to a childhood, but if the even one child is raped because of porn or if it can be asserted that even one child might be raped then it should be banned.

    You are aware that producing or viewing child pornography is illegal in Ireland and most (all?) western countries including the largest producer of adult entertainment the US of A?

    Both Ronald Regan, a US president, and John Lennon, one of the most influentail persons in popular culture of the last 100 years, were shot "because" of the book 'Catcher in the Rye'. Do you think books should be banned?


  • #49
    Froot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 546 ✭✭✭Froot


    AFAIK porn is anything which provokes sexual thoughts which has no artistic merit.

    Personally I think that porn is fine if you want to watch it. I dont see porn as having artistic merit, but I also do not think that it is a bad thing.


  • #50
    NutJob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 884 ✭✭✭NutJob


    There's been porn filmed in Ireland for years(in unexpected places).

    To be honest this is a no win discussion for 100s of years with hard-liners on both sides.

    As far as im concerned each unto there own and if that's what swings ur gate and ur not hurting anyone why should it matter.

    I don't see the link between porn and child abuse the same way i don't see a link between cigarettes cocaine.

    As for drug abuse in the porn industry i have no proof either way but im sure forcing it underground wont help.

    The one thing i would say is i wouldn't like to see mass market Amsterdam type red light districts but im sure theirs a sensible middle ground.

    But i doubt we will ever find a middle found as the Stringfellows found out.


  • #51
    hairyheretic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,257 ✭✭✭hairyheretic


    mountainyman wrote:
    If one person might be affected by Porn then it is dangerous.

    By that rational, everything is dangerous. Driving, walking down the street, eating, drinking, swimming, going for an operation. Should we ban everything?


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