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Prison Officer

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  • #3552
    Leo Demidov
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭Leo Demidov


    Delancey wrote: »
    Quick question - does the Prison Service pay an additional allowance or premium payment to PO's who are fluent Irish speakers ?

    I think there's an allowance for Matties who learn basic English. There is no allowance for gaelgeoirs.


  • #3553
    480905
    Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭480905


    Delancey wrote: »
    Quick question - does the Prison Service pay an additional allowance or premium payment to PO's who are fluent Irish speakers ?

    No, there is no allowance for speaking Irish.


  • #3554
    Delancey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭Delancey


    Reason I ask is that I've heard that in the past some prisoners who were members of subversive groups often spoke Irish both day-to-day and during visits - PO's who were fluent in Irish tended to supervise these prisoners and their visits.

    Forgive my ignorance but what is a ' Mattie ' ?


  • #3555
    Rawhead
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Rawhead


    Mattie is the generic term for Laois people. They are given a pay number at birth instead of a PPS number because they all join the job.

    I heard a story from the boys in the NIPS that all the stops were pulled out a few years ago to recruit Irish speaking officers so they could monitor the provos calls and visits. They eventually got a female graduate from Queens and stuck her in a room to listen to the boys "as gaeilge".

    The first evening all the management wanted to know what they where talking about and she told them "I don't have a clue, that's not Irish they are speaking but some bastardised pigeon Irish they have made up themselves".


  • #3556
    Near_cavan
    Registered Users Posts: 9 ✭Near_cavan


    Evening all!
    As anyone any idea when the physical might be and when possible trainning might start? I've had to to turn down 3 significant opportunities since the January/February interviews and it's really starting to annoy me.
    I spent all of 2011 working towards these opportunities and they are have come to fruition. Now I would rather the prison service but I'm guaranteed nothing in this regard but if I had any idea of potential movements it might help me out a little.

    Thanking you in advance.


  • #3557
    cordub
    Registered Users Posts: 434 ✭✭cordub


    Near_cavan wrote: »
    Evening all!
    As anyone any idea when the physical might be and when possible trainning might start? I've had to to turn down 3 significant opportunities since the January/February interviews and it's really starting to annoy me.
    I spent all of 2011 working towards these opportunities and they are have come to fruition. Now I would rather the prison service but I'm guaranteed nothing in this regard but if I had any idea of potential movements it might help me out a little.

    Thanking you in advance.
    YOUR GUESS WOULD BE AS GOOD AS any of ours, the Civil Servise commission are hopeless they could tell you nothing will happen for a year and then it could happen next week , they havent a clue tbh .I think you are mad turning down other jobs , the pay has drastically reduced and say there are more cuts to come too if you get offered any good job I would take it if i were you


  • #3558
    senordingdong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    Did the Prison Service ever offer an allowance/incriment to officers that posessed a degree or other such qualification? I know the Gardaí used to.


  • #3559
    480905
    Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭480905


    senordingdong wrote: »
    Did the Prison Service ever offer an allowance/incriment to officers that posessed a degree or other such qualification? I know the Gardaí used to.

    No, they never had the foresight to recognise skills people have. Most of the management grades years ago never had 3rd level, so if they promoted anyone who had more qualifications ,it would've
    shown up the ineptitude of some.


  • #3560
    Rawhead
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Rawhead


    senordingdong wrote: »
    Did the Prison Service ever offer an allowance/incriment to officers that posessed a degree or other such qualification? I know the Gardaí used to.

    One of the biggest problems in the job is the amount of people in senior management positions with a lack of an education. We all know that spell check led to mass deforestation of the amazon because it allowed ignorant, stupid men write half sheets without fear of exposing their questionable literacy skills.
    Anyone remember the chief who questioned a lad about "fatty goo" on his sick cert?


  • #3561
    480905
    Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭480905


    Rawhead wrote: »
    senordingdong wrote: »
    Did the Prison Service ever offer an allowance/incriment to officers that posessed a degree or other such qualification? I know the Gardaí used to.

    One of the biggest problems in the job is the amount of people in senior management positions with a lack of an education. We all know that spell check led to mass deforestation of the amazon because it allowed ignorant, stupid men write half sheets without fear of exposing their questionable literacy skills.
    Anyone remember the chief who questioned a lad about "fatty goo" on his sick cert?

    Yes, true story. In fairness to the Chief involved, he never half sheeted an officer, he FOOKED you out of it if you made a balls of something.
    Original story is- officer gave reason for USL as " fatigue" , chief didn't know what it meant and asked ... " whats this fattigoo thing"?
    Good chief as they go, last
    of the old breed
    Hard men, great leaders. Not like whats there now.


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  • #3562
    Delancey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭Delancey


    If its any consolation I understand the Ambulance Service is something similar - very few senior officers there even have Leaving Certs according to a few paramedics I know.


  • #3563
    Rawhead
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Rawhead


    I don't think having a degree makes a better manager, leaders are more natural. I think that chiefs need leadership skills where as governors need an education. The governors now have to actually manage a budget etc as opposed to just throwing men and OT at it.
    The management style in the job is that any problem can be solved by throwing money at it and if that fails then bullying is the default setting, this is the obvious reactions of uneducated people.
    The three bar's set the tone for a prison. Peterbridge, Davis, Riordan where all natural leaders and acted as a buffer between petty governors and staff. The officers and lags respected them and wouldn't cross them. Davis especially was a "staff first" leader. You'd think I was talking about 30 years ago but its less than 10. You have the odd three bar now who is good but they are in the vast minority and they all play the governors tune instead of setting the tone as chief of security.


  • #3564
    cordub
    Registered Users Posts: 434 ✭✭cordub


    Another good man passed yesterday RIP gone way too young Stu :(


  • #3565
    480905
    Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭480905


    Lived life at 100 mph. Genuine Legend. RIP.


  • #3566
    Rawhead
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭Rawhead


    Great jail character. RIP


  • #3567
    LoanShark
    Registered Users Posts: 949 ✭✭✭LoanShark


    cordub wrote: »
    Another good man passed yesterday RIP gone way too young Stu :(


    "Fcuk You Screw!"


    Funny Guy.. RIP Stewie..


  • #3568
    twowheelsonly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,270 ✭✭✭twowheelsonly


    LoanShark wrote: »
    "Fcuk You Screw!"


    Funny Guy.. RIP Stewie..

    Genuinely laughed at that...

    That's him to a tee.

    RIP


  • #3569
    macroman29
    Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭macroman29


    R.I.P John Greally.


  • #3570
    bitter_lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 433 ✭✭bitter_lemon


    Absolutely dreadful. 2 gone in the one week that i know of. And a good few in the past year. Its getting to be an epidemic. Its frightening.


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  • #3571
    cordub
    Registered Users Posts: 434 ✭✭cordub


    bitter_lemon wrote: »
    Absolutely dreadful. 2 gone in the one week that i know of. And a good few in the past year. Its getting to be an epidemic. Its frightening.
    The stress of working in the Prison service :(:(:(


  • #3572
    bitter_lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 433 ✭✭bitter_lemon


    R.I.P. Deidre Duggan


  • #3573
    brigal
    Registered Users Posts: 45 ✭brigal


    Sorry for my ignorance, but are these cancer or what?


  • #3574
    Yourwellcum
    Registered Users Posts: 200 ✭✭Yourwellcum


    Not a good couple of weeks for the wardens. Another good one gone. Sad


  • #3575
    lakes1985
    Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭lakes1985


    when was the last recruitment? interviews and that? i missed out on interviews through there mistake with my address it was just before xmas 2010 i think and they said id be up for next recruitment after that & i havnt heard anything yet?


  • #3576
    senordingdong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    lakes1985 wrote: »
    when was the last recruitment? interviews and that? i missed out on interviews through there mistake with my address it was just before xmas 2010 i think and they said id be up for next recruitment after that & i havnt heard anything yet?

    IIRC the last 'interviews and that' were done in 2008. They had enough succesful applicants from then (thousands maybe) to slowly pick from and drip feed into service over the past 3-4 years.
    They may still have many from that recruitment drive though these 'panels', as they are kown are supposed to expire after three years.
    Though it is widely believed that the minister may keep the current 'panel' since it would be cheaper then starting up a new one...what with the economic climate and all that.

    But, nobody here, nobody in the prisons and nobody in the prison service management will be able to give you a straight answer. If the DoJ makes a decision one way or the other, it will be on very short notice, and then all the relevant parties will be informed.


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  • #3577
    cavan4sam
    Registered Users Posts: 1,150 ✭✭✭cavan4sam


    are we at the annual standstill again ?


  • #3578
    Near_cavan
    Registered Users Posts: 9 ✭Near_cavan


    I rang a few weeks back as I had the opportunity to go abroad for a few months. Was told to go on ahead as there'll be nothing happening with the physical until at least autum/winter. So no rush then.


  • #3579
    senordingdong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    cavan4sam wrote: »
    are we at the annual standstill again ?

    Annual leave maybe


  • #3580
    cavan4sam
    Registered Users Posts: 1,150 ✭✭✭cavan4sam


    Near_cavan wrote: »
    I rang a few weeks back as I had the opportunity to go abroad for a few months. Was told to go on ahead as there'll be nothing happening with the physical until at least autum/winter. So no rush then.

    ah not so bad


  • #3581
    cordub
    Registered Users Posts: 434 ✭✭cordub


    all very quiet out there is there contentment in the camp or just Depression ;(


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  • #3582
    ned12
    Registered Users Posts: 11 ✭ned12


    Near_cavan wrote: »
    I rang a few weeks back as I had the opportunity to go abroad for a few months. Was told to go on ahead as there'll be nothing happening with the physical until at least autum/winter. So no rush then.

    I heard that it could be a very long time before there is another class. especially since they are recruiting over 100 of the new grade prison admin. and support staff so that should provide enough staff for the service for the moment


  • #3583
    Salmon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 680 ✭✭✭Salmon


    Only thinking aloud here but it might be even longer before a new intake of staff if PSEC was privatised (only sayin)!!!


  • #3584
    senordingdong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    cordub wrote: »
    all very quiet out there is there contentment in the camp or just Depression ;(
    Didn't ya hear? The PASO thread is where it's all at now.


  • #3585
    cordub
    Registered Users Posts: 434 ✭✭cordub


    senordingdong wrote: »
    Didn't ya hear? The PASO thread is where it's all at now.
    WHERE????????????/


  • #3586
    senordingdong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    cordub wrote: »
    WHERE????????????/

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056680568


  • #3587
    bitter_lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 433 ✭✭bitter_lemon


    senordingdong wrote: »
    cordub wrote: »
    all very quiet out there is there contentment in the camp or just Depression ;(
    Didn't ya hear? The PASO thread is where it's all at now.
    Ya but thats a different thread really. They will tell us to keep our noses out.
    All the P.O.s don't post anymore because they are fed up and couldn't give a crap anymore i would say.
    There was a good article in the sunday world today written by a guard. He left the service after 5 years because of all the ****e. If i closed my eyes you would swear it was me writing it! **** you alan shatter!


  • #3588
    killabban182
    Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭killabban182


    Heard a rumour in work that IPS were going to take on staff soon, due to shortages and also the new wing in the Midlands needs to be staffed. I don't think the Dublin jails can afford to let staff go without getting replacements


  • #3589
    senordingdong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    killabban182 wrote: »
    Heard a rumour in work that IPS were going to take on staff soon, due to shortages and also the new wing in the Midlands needs to be staffed. I don't think the Dublin jails can afford to let staff go without getting replacements

    Rumor is the most important part of that.
    Even IPS don't know whether or not they're taking on staff until the Dept of Finance gives them the green light.


  • #3590
    480905
    Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭480905


    There's plenty of those PASO people have set out their stall already. They are office staff and nothing else..... Jesus I'd LOVE to be a fly on the wall when one of them says to < Mod SNIP >" I'm office staff, you can't make me do that".......
    It seems like they are being offered their prison of choice right from the start... interesting.


  • #3591
    ned12
    Registered Users Posts: 11 ✭ned12


    senordingdong wrote: »
    Didn't ya hear? The PASO thread is where it's all at now.

    looks like there will be very little if any recruitment from the RPO panel now that they are going to start training the PASO s soon


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  • #3592
    BlondieWee
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭BlondieWee


    micki1983 wrote: »
    To those thinking about applying, the job can be serious craic most days. I am currently going through a serious personal problem and the officers (who I dared to tell) made me laugh about it even though I shouldn't but I needed the slagging to help me deal with it! The craic in the jail has got me through this weekend so far and will tomorrow. it's just no harm for possible new recruits to know what they are getting into.
    Happy xmas everyone :D


    hi do ya know when recruitment is starting for new prison officers i was told it would be September/October 2012 but i heard different stories too and im getting impatient now ha!


  • #3593
    480905
    Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭480905


    Nobody would even like to guess. Until the POA are finished fcuking up their colleagues there wont be much movement on the recruitment side.


  • #3594
    cavan4sam
    Registered Users Posts: 1,150 ✭✭✭cavan4sam


    well with talk of the croke park agreement being revisited by minister for health god only knows what brainwave the minister for justice will try , i know as a health worker if my sunday premiums go i'm joining the queue for the social welfare :mad::(


  • #3595
    480905
    Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭480905


    cavan4sam wrote: »
    well with talk of the croke park agreement being revisited by minister for health god only knows what brainwave the minister for justice will try , i know as a health worker if my sunday premiums go i'm joining the queue for the social welfare :mad::(

    Mate, they are doing what Brussels tells them. They don't give a fcuk about you, me OR our Sunday allowance, they will turn it into a weekend payment i.e miss a day -you don't get paid the allowance, thats if they don't take it away altogether.


  • #3596
    Delancey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭Delancey


    many of the lower paid absolutely depend on Sunday pay - take that away and many will find themselves better off on the dole !


  • #3597
    senordingdong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    I'm sure they'll be very selective about who's allowances they take.


  • #3598
    bitter_lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 433 ✭✭bitter_lemon


    **** sake. We will be better off on the dole. Will see tomorrow what happens...
    That muppet lonergan is on rte at 9.35pm tomorrow night. Prob best off not to watch it. You will end up throwing your shoe at the telly and not have enough money to buy a new one.


  • #3599
    Delancey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,451 ✭✭✭Delancey


    Now , now don't be saying unpleasant things about ' Saint ' John :D


  • #3600
    480905
    Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭480905


    Worked under him for years. Never liked his methods. Others did. Some don't like the present regimes' methods , others do. It depends on which way the wind blows and who is calling the shots at the top table.


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  • #3601
    bitter_lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 433 ✭✭bitter_lemon


    Delancey wrote: »
    Now , now don't be saying unpleasant things about ' Saint ' John :D
    look at him there on his pulpit. ha. i have personal reasons why i don't like him but there ya go....


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