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Saorview segment on Ear To The Ground.

  • 29-02-2012 2:59pm
    #1
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭


    Ear To The Ground did a segment on Saorview,for the most part it was informative and explained the topic in clear laymans terms.

    BUT!! It also demonstrated the severe lack of knowledge among the public about what saorview is.They visited Dungarvan and did a quick vox pop,only 2 women knew about saorview as they had it up & running at home.

    It was also very strange that the installer put up an aerial despite the customer already having 3 suitable ones on his chimney,plus he didn't run a cable from the new aerial yet was able to connect one to the saorview box and get a signal.

    The most serious issue was the statement from Brian Geraghty about door to door sales.It seems they have backtracked on their no door to door sales policy as he said "Neither saorview or RTE will send anyone door to door,however there are very very good installers out there who are calling around offering an install service". None of the reputable guys seem to be doing this judging by the posts in this forum.
    What about all the not so good installers out there who are calling around or dropping flyers?

    Here's the video from RTEPlayer,the segment starts around the 17 minute mark or so.
    http://www.rte.ie/player/#!v=1138170


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  • #2
    homelink
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭homelink


    That installer obviously didn't do any health & safety training either.


  • #3
    PogMoThoin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭PogMoThoin


    homelink wrote: »
    That installer obviously didn't do any health & safety training either.

    He also forgot to cable to the antenna :eek:

    I noticed the Triax 537 combo beside the Saorview logo in Irwins store


  • #4
    St Senan
    Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 3,584 Mod ✭✭✭✭St Senan


    Talk about double standards, Saorview say that they advise that the public use an Installer from 1 of the 3 Trade Bodies yet on this programme shown to the public they use a unregistered/unrecognised installer who is advertising Saorview on his Website.
    What a complete Balls up RTE.

    saorview wants to work with the local installer


    Yeah Right

    it's 11 months later saorview


  • #5
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    zerks wrote: »

    The most serious issue was the statement from Brian Geraghty about door to door sales.It seems they have backtracked on their no door to door sales policy as he said "Neither saorview or RTE will send anyone door to door,however there are very very good installers out there who are calling around offering an install service". None of the reputable guys seem to be doing this judging by the posts in this forum.

    Door to Door should be banned.
    • It makes crime easier (Distraction Theft)
    • It exploits the Door to Door salespeople. They do it a short while and give up as you have to lie to make the sales to get adequate commission. Huge turn-over in "staff". The sales per person on average simply isn't there to pay a sensible salary, so they always offer attractive sounding commission.
    • It exploits the vulnerable. Less vulnerable people will rarely ever buy off a Door to Door person.
    • It Mis-sells. The people are untrained except in sales techniques and many will do anything to get a sale.

    I've tried it when I was younger and naive, both for others and myself. It's un-ethical.

    We have enough advertising via billboards, leaflet shots, direct mail, Radio, Newspapers, TV.

    Direct phone selling should be illegal too.

    Door to Door is "Human delivered" Spam. It's worse than spam. Which is actually illegal to your Fax or eMail.


  • #6
    Kurz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 786 ✭✭✭Kurz


    The installer on that did a rotten job with that ariel too, completely messed up the appearance of the side of the guy's house. Puzzled me why he chose to do it that way when there were already ariels on the roof. Even if these ariels weren't suitable for Saorview, the location was far more appropriate.

    It was such a nice house and to have your man sticking that giant pole out of the side of it just seemed wrong.


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  • #7
    cast_iron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭cast_iron


    Kurz wrote: »
    It was such a nice house and to have your man sticking that giant pole out of the side of it just seemed wrong.
    True, but perhaps that's what the householder wanted. Who knows.

    To be honest, it looked like the job was staged for tv purposes as he packed up and left without running a cable as said above. It served its purpose in showing someone who knows nothing what might be involved and what to expect.
    He probably used the existing aerial setup in reality.


  • #8
    Extinction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 745 ✭✭✭Extinction


    homelink wrote: »
    That installer obviously didn't do any health & safety training either.

    I couldn't believe it when I saw it. Saorview can spout on about the aerial installation business being unregulated but we are regulated by the health and safety laws. The installer broke all the working at heights regulations, no harness is one thing but he had no PPE whatsoever, How can RTE put that on? That was a terrible impression to give about our business, it made it seem as if everyboby is the same :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:


  • #9
    cast_iron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭cast_iron


    scaller wrote: »
    Talk about double standards, Saorview say that they advise that the public use an Installer from 1 of the 3 Trade Bodies
    No, they don't as far as I'm aware. Can you show me where they say that?
    yet on this programme shown to the public they use a unregistered/unrecognised installer who is advertising Saorview on his Website.
    I agree. It seems he should not be using the logo on his site.
    Maybe he has a link to the authorised retailer that is not obvious?
    But that's just speculation.

    In any case, the job went through a registered agent, and it's not RTE's job to ensure that business uses installers from the one of the 3 trade bodies.


  • #10
    Extinction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 745 ✭✭✭Extinction


    cast_iron wrote: »
    No, they don't as far as I'm aware. Can you show me where they say that?

    I agree. It seems he should not be using the logo on his site.
    Maybe he has a link to the authorised retailer that is not obvious?
    But that's just speculation.

    In any case, the job went through a registered agent, and it's not RTE's job to ensure that business uses installers from the one of the 3 trade bodies.

    It is RTE's business to police their logos, installers are not allowed use any Saorview logo on their website.

    I had a look at the website name on the side of the installers van and surprise surprise
    http://damienwalsh.com/Damien_Walsh_Installations/%22SAORVIEW%22_From_RTE.html


  • #11
    cast_iron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭cast_iron


    Extinction wrote: »
    It is RTE's business to police their logos, installers are not allowed use any Saorview logo on their website.
    If you read back, I think I said I above I agree that he probably should not be using the logo.

    However, authorised retailers can use the logo. Perhaps there is a link between the retailer and installer that qualifies him. Or perhaps not. In fact, it's unlikely there is enough of a link to warrant it, but we may not have the full facts of the case.


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  • #12
    Extinction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 745 ✭✭✭Extinction


    cast_iron wrote: »
    If you read back, I think I said I above I agree that he probably should not be using the logo.

    However, authorised retailers can use the logo. Perhaps there is a link between the retailer and installer that qualifies him. Or perhaps not. In fact, it's unlikely there is enough of a link to warrant it, but we may not have the full facts of the case.

    Wasn't having a go at you, installers are in no way permitted to use the Saoview logo as in the link to this installers website, it doesn't matter what relationship they have with any retailer, they simply cant do it according to Saorview yet they feature an installer who is breaching this, it beggars belief, sure I might as well book A Saorview wrap for my van, anyone know a good sign writer?


  • #13
    kevmol88
    Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭kevmol88


    more here

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056194520&page=31


  • #14
    cast_iron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭cast_iron


    Extinction wrote: »
    installers are in no way permitted to use the Saoview logo as in the link to this installers website, it doesn't matter what relationship they have with any retailer, they simply cant do it according to Saorview
    Where do they say this? I keep asking for proof of these claims but no one is coming up with it.


  • #15
    St Senan
    Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 3,584 Mod ✭✭✭✭St Senan


    A representative of saorview said here on this post http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=77315139&postcount=412


    If you seek the assistance of an aerial/dish installer, SAORVIEW recommends you use an installer who is a member of one of the following bodies. The CAI, ISAA, or the National Guild of Maser Craftsmen.

    not in this Video


  • #16
    Extinction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 745 ✭✭✭Extinction


    cast_iron wrote: »
    Where do they say this? I keep asking for proof of these claims but no one is coming up with it.

    It says so at the bottom of this page

    http://www.saorview.ie/trade-login/installers/

    The logo is only permitted for use by registered retailers


  • #17
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    That feature could be more condescending if they tried hard enough!


  • #18
    Extinction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 745 ✭✭✭Extinction


    Extinction wrote: »
    It says so at the bottom of this page

    http://www.saorview.ie/trade-login/installers/

    The logo is only permitted for use by registered retailers

    The logo is also only permitted to be used by retailers at the point of sale, newspaper ads, flyers and NON ecommerce sites are advertising, they aren't point of sale.


  • #19
    cast_iron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭cast_iron


    scaller wrote: »
    A representative of saorview said here on this post http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=77315139&postcount=412
    Well that's 2 days ago and the first I've seen in what seems to be a change of policy. Their website still states otherwise.


  • #20
    cast_iron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭cast_iron


    Extinction wrote: »
    The logo is also only permitted to be used by retailers at the point of sale, newspaper ads, flyers and NON ecommerce sites are advertising, they aren't point of sale.
    Agreed. It does indeed seem that the installer on the tv is misusing the logo.


  • #21
    limerick.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6 ✭limerick.


    Perhaps they should have got a more qualified installer, i know lot's of installers in waterford
    who are far more competant and would his insurance even cover him if he is not complying with the health and safety rules if he even has any. I dont think id let him near my house.


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  • #22
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    With regard to the existing aerials on the roof,could they not have used that to explain to people that they might not need a new aerial,the guy in Irwins mentioned it so why didn't they clarify what they were doing and give examples of using existing equipment and show what might be needed by explaining that's what the new aerial install was.Now anyone who watched that would be led to believe that they need to fork out for stuff they may not need while they may already have perfectly good usable aerials up already.

    The cowboys love this lack of knowledge and muddying of the waters, "sorry ma'm that aerial you have isn't a digital aerial,we'll put up a nice new one & it'll improve the picture no end.You want a receipt?? Sorry I left the receipt book in the office,sure I'll drop it out to you..ye right


  • #23
    cast_iron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭cast_iron


    zerks wrote: »
    With regard to the existing aerials on the roof,could they not have used that to explain to people that they might not need a new aerial,the guy in Irwins mentioned it so why didn't they clarify what they were doing and give examples of using existing equipment and show what might be needed by explaining that's what the new aerial install was.
    In fairness, the guy in Irwin's made the point (though many people may have a different type of UHF aerial to the one he showed).
    that point was made. The point was made simply too - ie. if you have a UHF aerial, then you didn't need a new aerial.

    It wasn't supposed to be an education lesson on aerials and rogue installers. The putting up of an aerial also did a good job in simply relaying what an installer should be putting up.


  • #24
    zg3409
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,875 ✭✭✭zg3409


    I think the message they should be getting across is, borrow a box, plug it in and see if it works, if not ring an approved installer.

    The whole big aerial, small aerial, look at the coverage map, is too much for joe soap. If you get TV through your aerial, try the box and it'll probably work fine.

    If your TV is over 10 years old then it's probably better value to buy a new TV.

    Visually it's fine to see a guy putting up an aerial, but they should be teaching people how to try a box, before calling in the man with a van.


  • #25
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    zg3409 wrote: »
    I think the message they should be getting across is, borrow a box, plug it in and see if it works, if not ring an approved installer.

    The whole big aerial, small aerial, look at the coverage map, is too much for joe soap. If you get TV through your aerial, try the box and it'll probably work fine.

    If your TV is over 10 years old then it's probably better value to buy a new TV.

    Visually it's fine to see a guy putting up an aerial, but they should be teaching people how to try a box, before calling in the man with a van.

    True,I got castigated for suggesting that before to a poster who had a query about saorview.Try it & see as you said,if you get no joy call an expert.

    The try it & see message has been posted by many in the satellite forum,what make saorview so special? It's as if it's the second coming-it's only bloody Irish tv,which for the most part is rubbish no matter how good the picture is.I have saorview up & running on my tv but only ever use it for HD sport on RTE 2...Rant over.

    For all the answers the segment on the show gave,it created many more questions.Some decent,well thought out infomercials would be better,look at the ones on UK tv,it makes the whole thing look like childs play.Over here we get 2 animals telling us saorview is on the way and to refer to the website which many won't or can't do.


  • #26
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,862 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    zerks wrote: »
    For all the answers the segment on the show gave,it created many more questions.Some decent,well thought out infomercials would be better,look at the ones on UK tv,it makes the whole thing look like childs play.Over here we get 2 animals telling us saorview is on the way and to refer to the website which many won't or can't do.

    One of the Saorview animals does not even know how to operate a pair of binoculars, so they have no chance. They have tried to get a brand-name accross and the message that 'Saorview Approved' is the only way to go.

    A simple message broadcast from the transmitters embedded in the signal 'This transmitter is turning off on 24th Oct, 2012. You will /I][S]not[/S][I get Saorview from this transmitter.] Variations on that theme, as appropriate, would work quickly and effectively.

    They even run the Saorview ad on RTE News Now - preaching to the converted.


  • #27
    damo42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2 ✭damo42


    limerick. wrote: »
    Perhaps they should have got a more qualified installer, i know lot's of installers in waterford
    who are far more competant and would his insurance even cover him if he is not complying with the health and safety rules if he even has any. I dont think id let him near my house.

    Note: from the Installer on Ear to the ground

    I am a qualified fitter by trade, have a Fetac Advanced Certificate with merit,
    Served my time with a large multi-national company and have craftspersons status and am more than qualified to install aerials.

    This is a qualification that has been achieved by time served and not by money spent !

    And yes i do have insurance !

    Have in fact a combined liability policy,
    Public Liability
    Product Liability
    Employers Liability


  • #28
    damo42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2 ✭damo42


    PogMoThoin wrote: »
    He also forgot to cable to the antenna :eek:

    I noticed the Triax 537 combo beside the Saorview logo in Irwins store

    Quote From the installer on Ear To The Ground

    I didn't forget the cable! this piece was shot to show people that it wasn't a big deal to have an aerial mounted on their house.

    it was used as a demonstration ! and not as an installers training Video !

    The aerial and bracket were removed from the house, as were the 3 existing aerials!! and the house holder was left with a new aerial on a loft bracket in his attic! and saorview working on his 4 tv's without the need to run any cables around his house ! The house holder agreed to let me put an aerial and bracket on the wall of his house,for the demonstration as requested by the film crew.


  • #29
    Extinction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 745 ✭✭✭Extinction


    damo42 wrote: »
    Note: from the Installer on Ear to the ground

    I am a qualified fitter by trade, have a Fetac Advanced Certificate with merit,
    Served my time with a large multi-national company and have craftspersons status and am more than qualified to install aerials.

    This is a qualification that has been achieved by time served and not by money spent !

    And yes i do have insurance !

    Have in fact a combined liability policy,
    Public Liability
    Product Liability
    Employers Liability

    Why didn't you use the relevant health and safety equipment required for working at heights?


  • #30
    St Senan
    Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 3,584 Mod ✭✭✭✭St Senan


    What id like to know is why you have the saorview logo on your website and the saorview name on your van. when RTE/saorview says that installers are not permitted to do this.
    Do you know If you were a registered/recognised installer with any of the 3 trade bodies you would have permission to use a combined logo.

    http://www.saorview.ie/make-the-switch/installers/


    I will have to Edit my post now to say What id like to know is why DID you have the saorview logo on your website up till 11pm tonight and now its been removed.


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  • #31
    Cesium Clock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 350 ✭✭Cesium Clock


    damo42 wrote: »
    Note: from the Installer on Ear to the ground

    I am a qualified fitter by trade, have a Fetac Advanced Certificate with merit,

    in what ?


  • #32
    Cesium Clock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 350 ✭✭Cesium Clock


    I also heard that the independant filmcrew were told that you were a member of one of the 3 recognised bodies,

    P.S. have you got any sky cards going ?


  • #33
    timesnap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 423 ✭✭timesnap


    watty wrote: »
    Door to Door should be banned.
    agree watty but many are desperate.

    [*]It makes crime easier (Distraction Theft)
    [*]It exploits the Door to Door salespeople. They do it a short while and give up as you have to lie to make the sales to get adequate commission. Huge turn-over in "staff". The sales per person on average simply isn't there to pay a sensible salary, so they always offer attractive sounding commission.
    [*]It exploits the vulnerable. Less vulnerable people will rarely ever buy off a Door to Door person.
    agree with all of that but pity the honest people trying to earn a crust.


    Direct phone selling should be illegal too
    i don't know if direct phone selling is illegal but at least with Eircom(don't know other providers rules) by ringing 1901 you can have yourself removed from cold calling.
    .
    it's only bloody Irish tv,which for the most part is rubbish no matter how good the picture is.

    Is it really zerks?surprising that the ratings do not show that so:confused:

    terrible video full of flaws as people have pointed out.

    i have in the past got annoyed at the assumption that old people are too out of touch to understand or embrace saorview,seems some people of all ages are prone to it though.

    i wonder is it too late now for RTE/nl to educate community groups,meals on wheels etc to carry around a saorview box to check out peoples aerials and tell them if they will need a new aerial or not?

    even being able to tell them that if they have a good picture from their UHF aerial should be enough to stop them being fooled by any cowboys and reassure them that they will only need a new box for ASO.

    is that too sensible too for those responsible for educating the mass's about something that is quite easy to understand?


  • #34
    Extinction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 745 ✭✭✭Extinction


    Extinction wrote: »
    Why didn't you use the relevant health and safety equipment required for working at heights?

    How does one become 'more than qualified to install aerials'? That sounds to me as if you think aerial riggers are somehow below your standards. Can I point out that an experienced aerial rigger would never have appeared on the show without the health and safety equipment required, you had none of these, fall arrest kit, safety helmet, eye protection, ear protection, you were missing the basics required by law for your profession but you say you are more than qualified. The requirements for me, a lowly aerial installer, also apply to you who is more than qualified. You can have as much insurance as you want but any insurance company will look for reasons not to pay out if you had an accident and had you fallen from the ladder in those circumstances they would not have paid a single cent.

    The way you went about your job on the show was an insult to installers who are knowledgeable about all aspects of their job, not just the aspects of fitting an aerial. There is a lot more to our job than you seem to realise.

    I'd also ask as scaller did, why have you got saorview logos on your website when it is not permitted for an installer to use them? Are you not also aware that part of your job is to be aware of the codes of practice regarding logo usage? Or do you feel that being 'more than qualified' makes you exempt from this too?


  • #35
    Extinction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 745 ✭✭✭Extinction


    timesnap wrote: »
    agree watty but many are desperate.



    agree with all of that but pity the honest people trying to earn a crust.




    i don't know if direct phone selling is illegal but at least with Eircom(don't know other providers rules) by ringing 1901 you can have yourself removed from cold calling.
    .



    Is it really zerks?surprising that the ratings do not show that so:confused:

    terrible video full of flaws as people have pointed out.

    i have in the past got annoyed at the assumption that old people are too out of touch to understand or embrace saorview,seems some people of all ages are prone to it though.

    i wonder is it too late now for RTE/nl to educate community groups,meals on wheels etc to carry around a saorview box to check out peoples aerials and tell them if they will need a new aerial or not?

    even being able to tell them that if they have a good picture from their UHF aerial should be enough to stop them being fooled by any cowboys and reassure them that they will only need a new box for ASO.

    is that too sensible too for those responsible for educating the mass's about something that is quite easy to understand?

    RTE have a fool proof plan Timesnap, they've told the GAA all about Saorview, everything will be just fine now that football and hurling players are going installing Saorview :D:D


  • #36
    timesnap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 423 ✭✭timesnap


    Extinction wrote: »
    RTE have a fool proof plan Timesnap, they've told the GAA all about Saorview, everything will be just fine now that football and hurling players are going installing Saorview :D:D

    Ye gads sure most of them cannot direct a ball between two wide bars or kick a small ball into a hugh net,how on earth could they point an aerial at a mountain?:pac::)


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  • #37
    Extinction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 745 ✭✭✭Extinction


    scaller wrote: »
    What id like to know is why you have the saorview logo on your website and the saorview name on your van. when RTE/saorview says that installers are not permitted to do this.
    Do you know If you were a registered/recognised installer with any of the 3 trade bodies you would have permission to use a combined logo.

    http://www.saorview.ie/make-the-switch/installers/


    I will have to Edit my post now to say What id like to know is why DID you have the saorview logo on your website up till 11pm tonight and now its been removed.

    Still has the RTE channel logos though, I was told by Saorview that they are copyright of RTE and we installers cant use them either.


  • #38
    St Senan
    Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 3,584 Mod ✭✭✭✭St Senan


    Extinction wrote: »
    Still has the RTE channel logos though, I was told by Saorview that they are copyright of RTE and we installers cant use them either.

    RTE/Saorview Should contact this company and ask them to remove the RTE channels logos from their map of Installers site. http://www.saortvinstallers.ie/index.html


  • #39
    Extinction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 745 ✭✭✭Extinction


    scaller wrote: »
    RTE/Saorview Should contact this company and ask them to remove the RTE channels logos from their map of Installers site.

    I think it would be better if RTE Saorview admitted that they are unable to police their logo and allow all installers to use their logo, at least that way we who are playing by the rules could advertise our services properly, the limitations on us regarding the use of the saorview logo is making it impossible to compete with those who are not following the terms and conditions of logo use. It would then be up to the customer to choose if they want an installer who is registered or one who is not. By giving us a level playing field we could compete for business properly and fairly instead of being wiped out by those who are doing whatever they want and getting away with it so easily.


  • #40
    homelink
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭homelink


    damo42 wrote: »
    Quote From the installer on Ear To The Ground

    I didn't forget the cable! this piece was shot to show people that it wasn't a big deal to have an aerial mounted on their house.

    it was used as a demonstration ! and not as an installers training Video !

    The aerial and bracket were removed from the house, as were the 3 existing aerials!! and the house holder was left with a new aerial on a loft bracket in his attic! and saorview working on his 4 tv's without the need to run any cables around his house ! The house holder agreed to let me put an aerial and bracket on the wall of his house,for the demonstration as requested by the film crew.
    A demonstration of how not to do it! Any oul gob****e can hang out of a ladder & throw up an aerial.Your "demonstration" showed unsuspecting people that it appears to be okay to climb a ladder without any regard to health & safety just hang your hammer & bracket on the ladder while climbing up drill with no safety glasses ,hard hat or mask. Sure if your insured it doesn't matter,famous last words.


  • #41
    cast_iron
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭cast_iron


    homelink wrote: »
    Your "demonstration" showed unsuspecting people that it appears to be okay to climb a ladder without any regard to health & safety just hang your hammer & bracket on the ladder while climbing up drill with no safety glasses ,hard hat or mask.
    I'm not sure many installers would use a hard hat, goggles and mask to climb 8 or 9 steps of a ladder to drill 4 holes in a wall. Seems like a bit of overkill to me.


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  • #42
    Cesium Clock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 350 ✭✭Cesium Clock


    cast_iron wrote: »
    I'm not sure many installers would use a hard hat, goggles and mask to climb 8 or 9 steps of a ladder to drill 4 holes in a wall. Seems like a bit of overkill to me.

    on public Television in a HSA sponsered program ?

    from the HSA

    http://www.hsa.ie/eng/Publications_and_Forms/Publications/Construction/Using_Ladders_Safely_-_Information_Sheet.pdf

    http://www.hsa.ie/eng/Publications_and_Forms/Publications/Retail/Gen_Apps_Work_at_Height.pdf


  • #43
    St Senan
    Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 3,584 Mod ✭✭✭✭St Senan


    A show that's sponsored by the HSA, And RTE use a Unregistered installer who is/was using the Saorview and RTE channel logos on his website and in this show he has no safety gear at all on him. How could this guy attempt to drill holes in masonry with out Eye protection. Or how could he attempt to climb a ladder without having first secured the ladder. No hard hat or steel toe capped boots on him either.

    Saorview wants to work with the local installer

    Yeah Right

    Well Saorview its 11 months later


  • #44
    mickko
    Registered Users Posts: 129 ✭✭mickko


    cast_iron wrote: »
    In fairness, the guy in Irwin's made the point (though many people may have a different type of UHF aerial to the one he showed).
    that point was made. The point was made simply too - ie. if you have a UHF aerial, then you didn't need a new aerial.

    It wasn't supposed to be an education lesson on aerials and rogue installers. The putting up of an aerial also did a good job in simply relaying what an installer should be putting up.


    How was the point simply made? Michael Irwin has one aerial in each hand, a "old VHF style aerial" and a "new UHF style aerial" and states clearly that if you look up at your chimney, and see this old VHF style aerial, you need to call out your local TV installer, and he'll install the new UHF style aerial.

    Is this not utter nonsense? What has a VHF aerial got to do with anything???? Is this type of aerial not for VHF FM radio? Are all transmitters not using UHF for TV channels?
    What am I missing here?

    He goes on to suggest that if your remote says "DTV", then the TV should be ok to receive Saorview.
    Very, very few remote controls say "DTV", and a more likely reference on the remote would be "Guide" or "EPG". Even if it does say any of these, it's possibly only an MPEG2 tuner.

    And how utterly stupid to illustrate the installation of a new aerial, with a chimney full of aerial's in the background....


  • #45
    Cantona's Collars
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    scaller wrote: »
    A show that's sponsored by the HSA, And RTE use a Unregistered installer in the show who has no safety gear at all on him. How could this guy attempt to drill holes in Masonry with out Eye protection. Or how could he attempt to climb a ladder without having first secured the ladder. No hard hat or steel toe capped boots either.

    I've spent years in construction and you can't piss now for some kind of HSA regulation,the basic gear and safe practice were ignored in the segment,also this show is aimed at farmers where H & S is a big thing with the amount of accidents in the agricultural sector.The least the installer could have done was wear the right gear for the job just to show a good example.

    This guy was a H & S instructor and didn't use the proper gear on camera......look what happened.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVJUXkQSJyE


  • #46
    St Senan
    Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 3,584 Mod ✭✭✭✭St Senan


    Any guy who climbs a ladder for a living should at least have 1 of these in their van





    solutionStopper.jpg


  • #47
    mickko
    Registered Users Posts: 129 ✭✭mickko


    mickko wrote: »
    How was the point simply made? Michael Irwin has one aerial in each hand, a "old VHF style aerial" and a "new UHF style aerial" and states clearly that if you look up at your chimney, and see this old VHF style aerial, you need to call out your local TV installer, and he'll install the new UHF style aerial.

    Is this not utter nonsense? What has a VHF aerial got to do with anything???? Is this type of aerial not for VHF FM radio? Are all transmitters not using UHF for TV channels?
    What am I missing here?

    He goes on to suggest that if your remote says "DTV", then the TV should be ok to receive Saorview.
    Very, very few remote controls say "DTV", and a more likely reference on the remote would be "Guide" or "EPG". Even if it does say any of these, it's possibly only an MPEG2 tuner.

    And how utterly stupid to illustrate the installation of a new aerial, with a chimney full of aerial's in the background....


    Got it! RTE1 and 2 in VHF from Mount Leinster.


  • #48
    limerick.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6 ✭limerick.


    i like it where can i get one of them and how much!


  • #49
    Extinction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 745 ✭✭✭Extinction


    limerick. wrote: »
    i like it where can i get one of them and how much!

    You can get them here http://www.ladders.ie/stabilising.html

    Its called a Rojak plate, I prefer a different piece of equipment called a ladder mate

    http://www.valentineladders.ie/accessories.php


  • #50
    Extinction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 745 ✭✭✭Extinction


    cast_iron wrote: »
    I'm not sure many installers would use a hard hat, goggles and mask to climb 8 or 9 steps of a ladder to drill 4 holes in a wall. Seems like a bit of overkill to me.

    Overkill?????

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/man-falls-to-death-while-installing-tv-antenna-in-gladstone-park/story-e6frf7jo-1225795188418

    http://www.hse.gov.uk/press/2011/coi-ldn-1512.htm

    http://www.hse.gov.uk/press/2009/e09079.htm


  • #51
    Cesium Clock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 350 ✭✭Cesium Clock


    cast_iron wrote: »
    I'm not sure many installers would use a hard hat, goggles and mask to climb 8 or 9 steps of a ladder to drill 4 holes in a wall. Seems like a bit of overkill to me.

    a freind of mine who owns a prominent installation company, fell from 2 rungs up,
    badly dislocated his shoulder.

    and had to sub his work out for 7 months, and he was HSE compliant,
    even the safety equip did not save him,

    so if you fall from a hieght, its over.

    USE THE SAFETY GEAR !!


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