Ashtown on Joe Duffy NOW.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 17-12-2008 3:49pm #1

Its being slated by former employee and listeners.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 17-12-2008 3:56pm

The brown stuff is hitting the fan re. the manager using his discreption on what types of dogs are killed (re. the dogs on the restricted breeds list).

My blood is boiling here.

Latchy · 17-12-2008 3:58pm

Listening to it now on tv ....

cowzerp · 17-12-2008 4:01pm

Balls i just got the end here, hope they got lashed?

arybvtcw0eolkf · 17-12-2008 4:04pm

cowzerp wrote: »

Balls i just got the end here, hope they got lashed?

They did.

I was about to ring you, but got to Lilly/DNB first then it was too late.

The show should be available as a podcast later.

mlelsc · 17-12-2008 4:07pm

This pound is a disgrace! Never knew it was franchised out till today! Conditions there are appalling. My coalman left my back gate open and forgot to close it when exiting and my dog got out and was picked up by warden...I had to pay a heft fine.....my dog was ill from the treatment he had received there as I couldn't locate him for 2 days even though I had rung them initially but was told they didn't have any of that breed in their facility!...Turned out the dog was there....Warden didn't recognise or know the breed of my dog!!!!........It was one of the Terrier family!!! Words fail me here!
The pound was filthy and stinking and in comparison to the one over in Knocklyon which is superb and to which I bring any stray dogs to now.....Ashtown should be closed down! That manager was a disgrace today on Joe Duffy. Tried to ring Liveline but couldn't get through. Fair play to Barry coming on and highlighting the conditions there!
Luckily I had pet insurance otherwise due to the various 'things' that my dog picked up there I would have had to have forked out several hundred euros to my vet.
Shame on Fingal Council and Dun Laoire/Rathdown for letting this Pound be operated in its current state....and I am not talking about today's conditions....This Pound has been like this for years!

arybvtcw0eolkf · 17-12-2008 4:17pm

Guys we've seen over the last few days how success an email campaign can be (the Blue Cross discussion).

I think we should first of all email the Joe Duffy show thanking them for highlighting this place, and in particular exposing the managers policy in killing the restricted breeds - have you ever heard such a cocky f*@+%R before?.

Then let them know there's more to be exposed in Ashtown, I think if the show feeling this discussion has legs they'll run with it for another show.

cowzerp · 17-12-2008 4:19pm

Whats the e mail address martin?

Vel · 17-12-2008 4:28pm

Its not just Ashton that's a disgrace. There's uproar on another board over the warden/manager at Dunboyne Pound which is used by South Dublin Co. Co. who it appears ordered a young lurcher to be put down before its stray time was up because it had mange and this is allegedly not the first time he has ordered that a dog be put down for dubious reasons! This dog had a rescue space and transport arranged to get him out today after he had done his five days. Dunboyne do not allow ANY bedding or toys so dogs sleep in those plastic beds without any comfort. From what I can make out, both these pounds are being run by people with god complexes whom people are afraid to stand up to. I reckon sh*t is going to hit the fan over the Dunboyne incident.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 17-12-2008 4:33pm

cowzerp wrote: »

Whats the e mail address martin?

joe@rte.ie or liveline@rte.ie

Either will do.

When I'm a little relaxed later I'll fire one off to Joe.

Vel · 17-12-2008 4:34pm

Also, I think it should be noted here that its not just Ashton where problems lie. There are pounds in this country were NO rehoming takes place, the public don't get access and NO dogs ever get out. Joe Duffy should do a discussion on the whole diabolical pound situation throughout this country too.

arctictree · 17-12-2008 4:35pm

We got our fella from Ashtown. The staff were really nice but TBH, the conditions were a disgrace. Our springer was in a 4ftx2ft cage and was throwing a wobbler when anyone went near it - I'm not surprised. We took him at 11:30am on a Saturday (they close at 12:30) and were told that he would have been in there until Monday morning. He also had serious diarrhea which took about 2 weeks to clear up.

littlemisspiggy · 17-12-2008 4:39pm

I've volunteered wtih DID for the last two years. The girls that run DID are sometimes in tears begging that **** of a pound manager not to put a certain dog to sleep as they have a home for it but he doesn't give a sh*t about the dogs.

Vel · 17-12-2008 4:50pm

littlemisspiggy wrote: »

I've volunteered wtih DID for the last two years. The girls that run DID are sometimes in tears begging that **** of a pound manager not to put a certain dog to sleep as they have a home for it but he doesn't give a sh*t about the dogs.

Doesn't one of the main DID members also work for the pound?

arybvtcw0eolkf · 17-12-2008 4:56pm

Vel wrote: »

Doesn't one of the main DID members also work for the pound?

Lets not turn the discussion to the DiD members, most of whom hate the managers attitude and policies.

Similar discussion's here have turned nasty when people didn't make the clear distinction between well intentioned volunteers and the manager (and we all know the person you refer to).

So lets make it clear, the topic is the Joe Duffy show and its contents and is not intended to level critisim at DiD members/volunteers please.

Skadi · 17-12-2008 4:56pm

I think this is the reason why there are so many dog charities around the country. I know I got one a dog (R.I.P) from a charity set up in Cork because they were appalled at how the cork shelter was run. There have been so many cases highlighted on the radio about dogs put down the day they were brought in, people ringing up to be told no dogs were available. I think the councils should be held accountable for what goes on in many of these shelters. Would be interesting to see prime time do some investigation.

Spica · 17-12-2008 4:57pm

I will write to Joe Duffy too and highlight the fact that some volunteers who previously raised their concerns about the conditions of the dog pound and their pts policies were banned from the pound ground and subject of intimidation from the dog wardens. That just adds up to the disgraceful conditions the dogs are kept.

Lilly/DNB · 17-12-2008 5:03pm

littlemisspiggy wrote: »

I've volunteered wtih DID for the last two years. The girls that run DID are sometimes in tears begging that **** of a pound manager not to put a certain dog to sleep as they have a home for it but he doesn't give a sh*t about the dogs.

well something is going to have to be done about it now, as mairt says strength in numbers and we all should strike while the iron is hot, lets get a letter asking for these pounds to be inspected what ever question you all have put them all together short and sharp we will attach this letter to a petition we can leave links of this petition everywhere then send it to DCC lets see what their answer is..
we have nothing to loose at least with us all standing together they will have to egknowledge us if anybody else has any other ideas please just fire away

Lilly/DNB · 17-12-2008 5:05pm

Spica wrote: »

I will write to Joe Duffy too and highlight the fact that some volunteers who previously raised their concerns about the conditions of the dog pound and their pts policies were banned from the pound ground and subject of intimidation from the dog wardens. That just adds up to the disgraceful conditions the dogs are kept.

this has really got out of hand its unbelievable its shocking :mad:

bigpinkelephant · 17-12-2008 5:10pm

Vel wrote: »

Dunboyne do not allow ANY bedding or toys so dogs sleep in those plastic beds without any comfort.

I've seen this, it's awful.
Poor dogs must be freezing.

Vel · 17-12-2008 5:16pm

Lily,

Are you just focusing your campaign on this pound and the treatment of the restricted breeds alone or the awful conditions and treatment of dogs in pounds in general?

mountainyman · 17-12-2008 5:25pm

If you own a restricted breed and it is brought to a pound then you are not looking after it properly. A pit bull that is not kept under control should be killed.
Ashtown Pound are being irresponsible in returning these dogs to their owners. They should be put down. I am only writing about pit bulls not Alsatians or Huskies.

I speak as a dog owner and dog lover and someone who likes PBTs. It is like leaving a gun lying around where a kid can get at it.

mountainyman · 17-12-2008 5:26pm

Lilly/DNB wrote: »

well something is going to have to be done about it now, as mairt says strength in numbers and we all should strike while the iron is hot, lets get a letter asking for these pounds to be inspected what ever question you all have put them all together short and sharp we will attach this letter to a petition we can leave links of this petition everywhere then send it to DCC lets see what their answer is..
we have nothing to loose at least with us all standing together they will have to egknowledge us if anybody else has any other ideas please just fire away

I don't think that conditions are bad in Ashtown but I strongly agree that the DSPCA should inspect all pounds.

cotton · 17-12-2008 5:36pm

If you own a restricted breed and it is brought to a pound then you are not looking after it properly.

So if someone broke into my home while I was at work & my secure restricted dogs got out & were picked up, then I'm not looking after them properly & shouldn't get them back???

bigpinkelephant · 17-12-2008 5:41pm

mountainyman wrote: »

If you own a restricted breed and it is brought to a pound then you are not looking after it properly. A pit bull that is not kept under control should be killed.
Ashtown Pound are being irresponsible in returning these dogs to their owners. They should be put down. I am only writing about pit bulls not Alsatians or Huskies.

I speak as a dog owner and dog lover and someone who likes PBTs. It is like leaving a gun lying around where a kid can get at it.

Why is Ashtown being irresponsible returning restricted breeds to their owners?
And what have huskies got to do with it?

You don't sound like much of a dog lover to me. Any dog could seriously injure someone. Your average Labrador could do just the same damage as a restricted breed the same size.

Killme00 · 17-12-2008 5:42pm

mountainyman wrote: »

If you own a restricted breed and it is brought to a pound then you are not looking after it properly. A pit bull that is not kept under control should be killed.
Ashtown Pound are being irresponsible in returning these dogs to their owners. They should be put down. I am only writing about pit bulls not Alsatians or Huskies.

I speak as a dog owner and dog lover and someone who likes PBTs. It is like leaving a gun lying around where a kid can get at it.

Sometimes dogs escape and i dont think that dog should be killed no matter what breed it is.

mountainyman · 17-12-2008 5:45pm

It isn't the dog's fault that she is an affectionat loyal pitbull. but a pitbull is a dangerous dog. Jack Russell's bite PBT have better temeremants than JR) but the bite is annoying a pit bull's bite can be fatal.

mountainyman · 17-12-2008 5:46pm

bigpinkelephant wrote: »

Why is Ashtown being irresponsible returning restricted breeds to their owners?
And what have huskies got to do with it?

You don't sound like much of a dog lover to me. Any dog could seriously injure someone. Your average Labrador could do just the same damage as a restricted breed the same size.

A lab would not do the same damage as a pitbull. Also lab owners are not 99% scum. Most PBTs are abused to get them to fight. The dog should be destroyed because they an't be rehomed and the owner is not responsible enough. A pit bull is like a gun and you don't know if it is loaded or unloaded.

Killme00 · 17-12-2008 5:47pm

mountainyman wrote: »

A lab would not do the same damage as a pitbull. Also lab owners are not 99% scum. Most PBTs are abused to get them to fight.

Show me the statistics to prove those scurilous and degrading assumptions..

bigpinkelephant · 17-12-2008 5:49pm

mountainyman wrote: »

A lab would not do the same damage as a pitbull. Also lab owners are not 99% scum. Most PBTs are abused to get them to fight. The dog should be destroyed because they an't be rehomed and the owner is not responsible enough. A pit bull is like a gun and you don't know if it is loaded or unloaded.

You should go out in the real world instead of spending your life with your nose in The Sun or the Mirror and their "DEVIL DOGS" smear campaigns.

Whispered · 17-12-2008 5:55pm

Perhaps someone could get together an email outlining the main points that need to be raised, if we all clamour here with various things then there is a danger of all the emails focusing on different things. I think something consise and very clear would be best? At least then there will be a weight behind a few main points, instead of various claims.

Mountainy man, unfortunately your views on restricted breeds are all too common. Very misinformed, but very common. A frenzied lab could do every bit as much damage as a PBT, how could you think otherwise? As for a JRT's bite being "annoying" - how many times have you been bitten?

arybvtcw0eolkf · 17-12-2008 5:57pm

mountainyman wrote: »

A pit bull that is not kept under control should be killed.
Ashtown Pound are being irresponsible in returning these dogs to their owners. They should be put down. I am only writing about pit bulls not Alsatians or Huskies.

I speak as a dog owner and dog lover and someone who likes PBTs. It is like leaving a gun lying around where a kid can get at it.

You speak as a WHAT?..

***edited the rest. I'm not rising to you.

bigpinkelephant · 17-12-2008 6:04pm

I have sent Joe an email and linked to this thread. I basically said that all a breed is, is an extended family of dogs that look similar and are related.
If a person went to jail for a crime, their extended family (and anyone who looks similar to them) wouldn't get a sentence aswell. But with dogs, if one Staffie bites, then all other Staffies, and dogs that look like Staffies, must be vicious too, apparently.
With these dogs it's like they are guilty til proven innocent.

Lilly/DNB · 17-12-2008 7:57pm

Vel wrote: »

Lily,

Are you just focusing your campaign on this pound and the treatment of the restricted breeds alone or the awful conditions and treatment of dogs in pounds in general?

hi val im sure every1 has a different issue with these pounds yes i do fight BSL i also believe an animal should be dealt with compassion regardless of what breed they are i am focusing on the awful conditions and treatment of dogs in pounds in general and this is just one of the issues that needs to be addresses along with the rest of them about these breeds being put to sleep just because they happen to be a certon breed even little 8 week old puppys that have never done nothing in their life i dont like whats going on i dont like the way these dogs all breeds are being treated its not Wright and im willing to stand up and be counted

Lilly/DNB · 17-12-2008 8:25pm

mountainyman wrote: »

If you own a restricted breed and it is brought to a pound then you are not looking after it properly. A pit bull that is not kept under control should be killed.
Ashtown Pound are being irresponsible in returning these dogs to their owners. They should be put down. I am only writing about pit bulls not Alsatians or Huskies.

I speak as a dog owner and dog lover and someone who likes PBTs. It is like leaving a gun lying around where a kid can get at it.

:eek: that’s far from the truth and a very unfair thing to say about a breed that has being victimized used by scum to intimidate people used as gambling tools and even used as bate this breed has being the victim of irresponsible owners little hard men and the public have being brain washed in relation to the true characteristic of this breed, pit bull have just a hand full of people trying to save their life every day because everybody seems to have the same attitude as yourself we have some rescues that wont give shelter because of the fear that has being put into them about this breed i have a Q for you have you ever owned a pit bull? have you ever researched this breed except listening to the false media reports because i can tell you i have owned this breed for 22 years i have never had a problem talking about profiling people by profiling their dog not all people who what to own this breed own it to fight them or want to feel like a hard man, i know i own mine because they are loving loyal clownish i could go on and on, your more than welcome to come and meet all 3 of my dogs and then make your mind up about them..

Lilly/DNB · 17-12-2008 8:26pm

mountainyman wrote: »

If you own a restricted breed and it is brought to a pound then you are not looking after it properly. A pit bull that is not kept under control should be killed.
Ashtown Pound are being irresponsible in returning these dogs to their owners. They should be put down. I am only writing about pit bulls not Alsatians or Huskies.

I speak as a dog owner and dog lover and someone who likes PBTs. It is like leaving a gun lying around where a kid can get at it.

:eek:

Lilly/DNB · 17-12-2008 8:37pm

mountainyman wrote: »

It isn't the dog's fault that she is an affectionat loyal pitbull. but a pitbull is a dangerous dog. Jack Russell's bite PBT have better temeremants than JR) but the bite is annoying a pit bull's bite can be fatal.

i think you need to go and do some research read this a very good example of the way you are so far from the truth..

Ky. family's dog attacks, kills 6-week-old infant

January 19, 2008 @ 07:29 AM
The Associated Press
Herald-Dispatch.com
LEXINGTON, Ky. — A family dog attacked and killed a sleeping 6-week-old baby in Lexington.

Witnesses told police the baby, later identified as Justin Mozer, was sleeping in a bedroom about 3:40 p.m. EST on Friday when a Jack Russell terrier attacked him, according to the Lexington Herald-Leader.

The family also owns a pit bull.

Police said the mother was bathing another child while Justin Mozer was sleeping in the same room as the dog, WKYT-TV in Lexington reported. Lexington police said the identity of the mother was not available Friday night.

The baby was taken to University of Kentucky Hospital where he was pronounced dead. The cause of death was not released Friday.

No charges were pending on Friday, Lexington police Lt. John Gensheimer said.

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/homepage/x808409177

so it was the other way round my friend the pit bull never bit any1 they would lick you to death but the little jrt that wouldn't harm a fly it just killed a 6 week old baby so do we not need to be responsible with all dogs you have just seen from the smallest to the largest of dogs can be fatal instead of labeling out what dog can kill they all can..

bigpinkelephant · 17-12-2008 9:11pm

Any dog could kill. Even a little Chihuahua's jaws are big enough to savage a baby's throat. If they severed the main artery in your wrist you'd lose a serious amount of blood.

St. Bernards can get to 9 stone easily and are much stronger than your average person. But by Mountainyman's logic, they're not a Pit Bull, so they couldn't be dangerous.

And for the record, I have been snapped at by 3 dogs in my life.
2 were Cocker Spaniels, 1 was a Jack Russell. Each time, I went to pet them (with owner's permission). I was at the same level as each one and was not being in any way aggressive to them. But these are "safe" dogs apparently.

Doggymad · 17-12-2008 10:44pm

Mountainyman ...... i just had to laugh at your small minded answer' you obviously havent a clue about APBT,s .... and i dont know were your getting your 99% scum ????? its people like you that should work for the papers ' they make it all up in there head :mad:
come visit my home my kids and my house dog who is a pit and most of our foster dogs then see do you still say the same answer ....
i can honestly swear that what they write about pitbulls is 99% untrue'

why dont you go meet some of our dogs before you tar us all with the same brush .....

hello guys i finaly made it on here ' Rachel

The Sweeper · 17-12-2008 11:09pm

Just a point - when the suggestion came up originally of slating Ashtown Pound on Joe Duffy and in public, I voiced a concern that the whole argument would be derailed by misinformed members of the public going down the 'devil dogs deserve to die' route.

Here on this thread, mountainyman has managed to totally, completely and utterly derail this from a thread on the horrible conditions at Ashtown Pound to yet another argument about devil dogs.

Even the more level-headed of you are allowing yourselves be led down the path of fighting about deed not breed, instead of focusing on the problem, which is that Ashtown Pound is badly managed and unsuitable for any animal to stay in for any amount of time.

Instead we're back to 'any dog can kill anyone' and 'pit bull terriers are like loaded guns', and trust me, with the media and misinformed voices in a public forum, it's not a big step from that to 'The fella at Ashtown Pound is doing right by me if he's destroying devil dogs'.

Discodog · 17-12-2008 11:15pm

I was amazed by the attitude of the so called Vet who is paid by the council to inspect the pound. She was too gushing in her praise & raised real doubts as to her integrity.

As the pound gets €750,000 per year we should start a campaign to get a charity such as the Dogs Trust to run it on a no profit basis. It would be interesting to find out how they got the contract & when it due to be renewed.

bigpinkelephant · 17-12-2008 11:18pm

Discodog wrote: »

I was amazed by the attitude of the so called Vet who is paid by the council to inspect the pound. She was too gushing in her praise & raised real doubts as to her integrity.

If it's the same vet that puts the dogs down, no wonder she's so happy, she's obviously earning a fortune. :mad:

Discodog · 17-12-2008 11:26pm

She categorically said that she did not get involved in animal treatment but only inspection. If it could be proved that she does put down dogs then she would be in big trouble.

Spica · 17-12-2008 11:28pm

Lets not turn the discussion to the DiD members, most of whom hate the managers attitude and policies.

DID has been covering for years what's going on in that pound, Mairt. Surely they must have noticed that the dogs weren't given the proper care and that the facilities are completely unsuitable for their purpose. You just need to go there once to see it.

Discodog · 17-12-2008 11:29pm

I have just emailed the Dog's Trust. They spent €10 million on their first Irish shelter. I have suggested that they take over the pounds on a no profit basis.

Every time that there is an issue like this you lot break into your various fractions to fight your own cases. This is not an issue about dog breeds but about the conditions in Irish Pounds.

One day the animal lovers of Ireland might manage to unite for one minute then we can get something done. I appreciate that you are passionate & many do great work but by dividing you will lose. Think of the welfare of all dogs & lets try & really make a difference. I would strongly suggest that, those that can, gather real evidence like photos etc & then we make a concerted campaign.

For example if the vet appointed by the council to inspect ever put down Pound dogs then that would be pure dinamite.

Doggymad · 18-12-2008 12:01am

i think that all pounds should be prone to unannounced calls by an independant vet atleast 10 times a year ' and what they think of what they see should be made public ' there are worse pounds than the one named its just most of them do not allow volenteers in to help the dogs at all therefore the public do not get to see whats realy behind the closed doors ...
the laws have to be changed immediately to protect these dogs ....
there should be an equal set of rule standards for each pound

Discodog · 18-12-2008 12:07am

All of the above are desirable but none attainable. The Irish voters don't care & many of their own dogs are kept in worse conditions than the pound. The only way to improve things will be action by Charities - it won't be the ISPCA or action in the European Court.

Ashtown must make a profit so it is an attractive proposition to an animal charity.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 18-12-2008 12:30am

Guys the Joe Duffy show is available to download from the RTE Liveline site.

Re. inspections of the pound, there was a Vet on the show who carries out inspections. She didn't tackle the alligations made by listeners re. the managers policies on the restricted breeds, nor did she make comment when he said it was at his discretion re. what dogs are PTS.

She was statisfied that the dogs have shelter, food and water. Anything there after wasn't in her remit.

There's one horrible description from an ex-employee who spoke about the distress caused to both staff and dogs when a dog was selected for killing (I don't use words like ''destroyed'' or ''pts'').

Joe asked if the dog knew it was about to be killed (his words this time) the girl said that they didn't know until (in spolier brackets because the description will be upsetting for some people)

they reached the shed and then they'd see "five or six" dead dogs on the floor in front of them.

At this stage my blood was boiling, I was absolutely livid and a little upset/distressed.

Horrible stuff.

cowzerp · 18-12-2008 12:40am

Any link-i cant find the download!!

arybvtcw0eolkf · 18-12-2008 12:45am

Here ya go Paul..

B'witched · 18-12-2008 12:56am

Discodog wrote: »

Ashtown must make a profit so it is an attractive proposition to an animal charity.

What do you mean by this?

Ashtown on Joe Duffy NOW.

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