Kevin Kilbane - Player Manager of Sligo?

Raskolnikov · 20-02-2012 11:25am #1

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/kilbane-eyes-sligo-post-3024526.html

SLIGO will narrow down the list of applicants for their manager's job this week, and decide whether to appoint from abroad or to look for domestic experience after receiving over 40 applications for the task of replacing Paul Cook.

Kevin Kilbane, who has recently taken over as manager of the Hull City reserves, is the most eye-catching name to have expressed an interest.

Kilbane is sidelined with injury and is willing to consider a move to the Showgrounds in a player-manager capacity.

However, Sligo plan to speak to a shortlist of candidates about the position and hope to accelerate the process this week with a view to having a new man in place ahead of the season opener on March 2.

Their former boss Cook, who moved back to England to take charge of Accrington Stanley, was brought crashing down to earth on Saturday when his new side lost 4-0 at home to Plymouth.

Meanwhile, title favourites Shamrock Rovers have completed the loan signing of Swedish U-21 international goalkeeper Oscar Jansson from their Europa League opponents Tottenham Hotspur.

Jansson will be with the Hoops until June.

Would be a great move for both parties, the LOI would get an Ireland international and Sligo would be a great stepping stone for an ambitious young manager.

killwill · 20-02-2012 12:08pm

Would love to see Kilbane get it.

_blank_ · 20-02-2012 12:11pm

killwill wrote: »

Would love to see Kilbane get it.

why?

Are you a Sligo fan?

If you are a sligo fan, why do you want an inexperienced manager at the helm while your team is challenging for the league title, and competing in Europe?

_blank_ · 20-02-2012 12:18pm

Raskolnikov wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/kilbane-eyes-sligo-post-3024526.html
Would be a great move for both parties, the LOI would get an Ireland international and Sligo would be a great stepping stone for an ambitious young manager.

How would it be "good" for Sligo?

They already have decent corwds for their size, they already compete at the top end of the Premier table, and are the current holders of the FAI Cup and came 2nd last season, to a very good Shamrock outift.

Kilbane is inexperienced, and would have a very limited knowledge of the LoI.

I fail to see how Sligo could benefit from such an appointment.

theteal · 20-02-2012 12:23pm

Sligo is a big job with realistic expectations of a top 2 finish. They are not going to mess with this to facilitate a managerial experiment for Kilbane. . .I would expect

Fizman · 20-02-2012 12:23pm

Des wrote: »

why?

Are you a Sligo fan?

If you are a sligo fan, why do you want an inexperienced manager at the helm while your team is challenging for the league title, and competing in Europe?

Ah Jasus Des, did you get out of the wrong side of the bed this morning?

I could be wrong but is the league not in off-season mode, so nobody is 'challenging for a title'. I know what you are referring to, but again, I don't see why you'd make that an issue. Are you implying that no club (any club with aspirations for next season) should be willing to take on KK as manager in that case?

Yes, there is a degree of risk, but that's the case with every young manager.

Why would a club like Sligo NOT want a guy like KK on board? Nice bloke, honest, very hard working. You get the sense he'd put everything into it etc etc.

Xavi6 · 20-02-2012 12:24pm

He doesn't have the qualifications to take over now right? (no Pro or A Licence I believe)

dan1895 · 20-02-2012 12:28pm

Fizman wrote: »

Why would a club like Sligo NOT want a guy like KK on board? Nice bloke, honest, very hard working. You get the sense he'd put everything into it etc etc.

Because he has little to no managerial experience. At the time I wasn't too happy about Fenlon taking over at Shels when Keely left first time round as he had no experience although it did work out ok in the long run.

killwill · 20-02-2012 12:34pm

Des wrote: »

why?

Are you a Sligo fan?

If you are a sligo fan, why do you want an inexperienced manager at the helm while your team is challenging for the league title, and competing in Europe?

Because I think he would be a good manager at LOI level.

Yes I am a sligo fan. I do realise he has not got experience and he would be out of his debt in Europe but come on, all LOI managers are FFS

_blank_ · 20-02-2012 12:36pm

killwill wrote: »

Because I think he would be a good manager at LOI level.

on what evidence?

I'm genuinely curious...

super_furry · 20-02-2012 12:37pm

If he doesn't have a Pro licene then it's hard to see him get it with Sligo involved in the Europa.

gustavo · 20-02-2012 12:37pm

Would rather Martin Russell tbh.

gustavo · 20-02-2012 12:38pm

killwill wrote: »

all LOI managers are FFS

You've missed the last few years so ?

killwill · 20-02-2012 12:41pm

Des wrote: »

on what evidence?

I'm genuinely curious...

I don't have evidence to support my OPINION because as you well know he has no managerial experience to support experience.

Sam Allardyce started his managerial career at Limerick FC didn't he? Was there any evidence he would be a good manager? No

Everyone has to start somewhere and I would like to see and Irish legend(in my eyes anyway) start his managerial career at a club I support.

killwill · 20-02-2012 12:42pm

gustavo wrote: »

You've missed the last few years so ?

No I haven't.

gustavo · 20-02-2012 12:49pm

killwill wrote: »

No I haven't.

Well I don't think the likes of Michael O'Neill and Pat Fenlon were out of their "debt" funny misspelling btw :pac:

Over the last few seasons a poor start has cost us dear so I'd be hoping we'd be getting in an experienced manager rather than someone just learning the ropes.

If we were going through a transitional phase then I'd be all for Kilbane getting the job but the fact is this team is coming towards the end of it's cycle IMO whereby I think this year is our best chance of a league title win in a long tim.e

GLaDOS · 20-02-2012 12:51pm

Would be interesting certainly, can't see it being to Sligo's benefit though.

dan1895 · 20-02-2012 12:52pm

gustavo wrote: »

Over the last few seasons a poor start has cost us dear so I'd be hoping we'd be getting in an experienced manager rather than someone just learning the ropes.

On a side note a poor start by you lot would be much appreciated by my lot

stovelid · 20-02-2012 12:54pm

Des wrote: »

How would it be "good" for Sligo?

Because LOI supporters are supposed to be convulsed with excitement if their club is associated with somebody that barstoolers and Ole Oles recognize.

dan1895 · 20-02-2012 12:55pm

stovelid wrote: »

Because LOI supporters are supposed to be convulsed with excitement if their club is associated with somebody that barstoolers and Ole Oles recognize.

Because Jeff Kenna was such a roaring success

dreamers75 · 20-02-2012 12:58pm

dan1895 wrote: »

Because Jeff Kenna was such a roaring success

Fecker nearly relegated us

Yet still managed the greatest modern day defeat win by an LOI team in Europe

stovelid · 20-02-2012 12:59pm

What has been said here is true. This Sligo team is a major contender for the league and next year may be broken up for whatever reasons. A manager that knows the league is what's needed here.

_blank_ · 20-02-2012 1:02pm

so, it's mostly patronising bullshít from people with no clue.

What's new in threads like these?

kindly fúck off, and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

killwill · 20-02-2012 1:04pm

Des wrote: »

so, it's mostly patronising bullshít from people with no clue.

What's new in threads like these?

kindly fúck off, and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Stay classy Des

Noone in here has warranted that abuse

Raskolnikov · 20-02-2012 1:07pm

Xavi6 wrote: »

He doesn't have the qualifications to take over now right? (no Pro or A Licence I believe)

I believe he is/has taken this training. Anyway, I would imagine a waiver would be no problem, given it has been granted to many managers in the past.

CSF · 20-02-2012 1:09pm

To be honest, I'm far from sure Sligo are a real contender. I'm not really sure anyone else is unless Kenny really lets the ball drop.

Nalz · 20-02-2012 1:12pm

stovelid wrote: »

Because LOI supporters are supposed to be convulsed with excitement if their club is associated with somebody that barstoolers and Ole Oles recognize.

Although I agree with you, reading your posts is sometimes like experiencing a bad dose of piles while sitting on a park bench in the middle of January.

Raskolnikov · 20-02-2012 1:16pm

dan1895 wrote: »

Because he has little to no managerial experience.

One of the candidates for the job (Brian Little) has managed a Premier League team and has 30 years of managerial experience, despite that he has managed half a dozen clubs into the ground during that time. Experience isn't everything. Indeed, Paul Cook himself had very little experience, and look where he brought Sligo to.

_blank_ · 20-02-2012 1:18pm

Trilla wrote: »

Although I agree with you, reading your posts is sometimes like experiencing a bad dose of piles while sitting on a park bench in the middle of January.

that's just about the effect he's looking for :pac:

Guy:Incognito · 20-02-2012 1:20pm

Bit of an odd one. Is he finished playing full time? I thought he'd be back playing when he's fit again.

CSF · 20-02-2012 1:22pm

The most worrying thing of all is that this link/rumour warrants a thread of its own.

_blank_ · 20-02-2012 1:26pm

CSF wrote: »

The most worrying thing of all is that this link/rumour warrants a thread of its own.

He's a hero to the Olé-ers. so yeah, it does.

jaykay74 · 20-02-2012 1:36pm

I hope he gets the job.

stovelid · 20-02-2012 1:46pm

Trilla wrote: »

Although I agree with you,.

Thanks.

Good luck with the arse golf-balls. Sounds painful.

LuckyLloyd · 20-02-2012 2:00pm

gustavo wrote: »

Would rather Martin Russell tbh.

RGDATA! · 20-02-2012 2:05pm

Des wrote: »

He's a hero to the Olé-ers. so yeah, it does.

"patronising bullshít" indeed

eagle eye · 20-02-2012 2:24pm

Des wrote: »

so, it's mostly patronising bullshít from people with no clue.

What's new in threads like these?

kindly fúck off, and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

How do you know for sure he doesn't have his license? I remember reading he was doing some stuff last summer, not saying he has or hasn't got it just that he deffo was doing some badges last summer.

Also having listened to him a bit on newstalk he really does come across as somebody with a very good understanding of the game.

stovelid · 20-02-2012 2:27pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Also having listened to him a bit on newstalk he really does come across as somebody with a very good understanding of the game.

Would you think that was an adequate amount of experience for managing Ireland or Blackburn?

The Chessplayer · 20-02-2012 2:31pm

Des wrote: »

If you are a sligo fan, why do you want an inexperienced manager at the helm while your team is challenging for the league title, and competing in Europe?

Des - you haven't a clue what you're talking about. He's currently managing in the Hull reserves and has been widely tipped for management for some years. He's known to be a very personable guy, unlike say Steve Staunton. I think he could make a good go at it. Hull obviously feel he has some potential. He certainly has a lot of experience working under some great managers.

Des wrote: »

so, it's mostly patronising bullshít from people with no clue.

What's new in threads like these?

kindly fúck off, and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I hope he gets the job, just for this comment.

Des wrote: »

He's a hero to the Olé-ers. so yeah, it does.

Another pearl of wisdom, Des. Good one!

bohsman · 20-02-2012 2:32pm

Player managers with big phone books filled with English contacts are unlikely to work. Gareth Farrelly was an absolute disaster. It's hard enough taking on a managerial role in a league you are not familiar with and with no experience whatsoever but to then be focusing on playing at the same time will not end well.

eagle eye · 20-02-2012 2:35pm

stovelid wrote: »

Would you think that was an adequate amount of experience for managing Ireland or Blackburn?

Considering we have Steve Kean I'd say its good enough!

stovelid · 20-02-2012 2:39pm

The Chessplayer wrote: »

Des - you haven't a clue what you're talking about. He's currently managing in the Hull reserves and has been widely tipped for management for some years. He's known to be a very personable guy, unlike say Steve Staunton. I think he could make a good go at it. Hull obviously feel he has some potential. He certainly has a lot of experience working under some great managers.

Nobody is saying that he might not work out.

Shamrock Rovers took a chance on Micheal O'Neill who had only managed in the Scottish second division and it was a risk but a success. That Rovers team were not nearly as good as the current Sligo team and were not expected to win the league.

Most Sligo supporters would probably want a safe pair of hands in a manager with league experience as they are capable of winning the league but it will be very tight. The new manager will have no margin for error, especially as the league is much stronger in depth than last year with Cork and Shels in the mix.

And despite what everybody is saying, the patronizing assumption is there that Sligo supporters are supposed to jizz themselves because KK is a famous ex-international rather than whether or not he's ideal for the job.

wheres me jumpa · 20-02-2012 2:49pm

stovelid wrote: »

And despite what everybody is saying, the patronizing assumption is there that Sligo supporters are supposed to jizz themselves because KK is a famous ex-international rather than whether or not he's ideal for the job.

I agree with this logic. However, reading the undertone of this and other such threads, I cant help but feel that the logic is applied more forcibly when its an Irish international who played in England.

"A [insert great footballing nation] international who played [insert league other than EPL] all his career is interested in the Sigo Rovers job."

The above would probably be greeted more uniformly.

Havermeyer · 20-02-2012 3:03pm

People dismissing Kevin Kilbane off the bat for lack of experience and knowledge of LOI football in the case of replacing Paul Cook - someone with no apparent knowledge of the LOI, who had been sacked after only 7/8 months in his first managerial role, at the time of his appointment as Sligo manager.

super_furry · 20-02-2012 3:03pm

Raskolnikov wrote: »

I believe he is/has taken this training. Anyway, I would imagine a waiver would be no problem, given it has been granted to many managers in the past.

With that FAI maybe, not with UEFA. If the doesn't have a pro licence he can't manage in the Europa

Nalz · 20-02-2012 3:04pm

CSF wrote: »

The most worrying thing of all is that this link/rumour warrants a thread of its own.

One of the most famous, most capped players for Republic of Ireland who's suffered from plenty of abuse from Irish fans over the years is potentially taking the plunge into management by taking over at one of Ireland's biggest club teams, a club team of the country he played for but not the country of his birth. Whether good or not for the club it's thread worthy imo.

Add the winter piles "you're patronizing us" comments into the mix and you have a thread

wheres me jumpa · 20-02-2012 3:09pm

This thread just happened!

stovelid · 20-02-2012 3:11pm

nummnutts wrote: »

People dismissing Kevin Kilbane off the bat for lack of experience and knowledge of LOI football in the case of replacing Paul Cook - someone with no apparent knowledge of the LOI, who had been sacked after only 7/8 months in his first managerial role, at the time of his appointment as Sligo manager.

Cook was a gamble that paid off. And he didn't take over a team with a serious chance of success. The current Sligo team is far better: a team that he built. Arguably, this season is the closest they have been to winning the league for a long, long time.

If I was a Sligo supporter, I wouldn't think now is the time to take a punt on a manager with no experience. Maybe that's just me.

KK comes across like Kenny Cunningham: very likable player with a good enthusiasm and knowledge of the game and I hope he does well in football but I wouldn't want my club taking a risk on him when we have a good chance of winning the league.

It's laughable the way that any caution expressed about hiring An Irish Hero by people that know and follow the league is seen as heresy. Like people are supposed to grateful that he's favoured the league with his presence or something.

Havermeyer · 20-02-2012 3:19pm

stovelid wrote: »

Cook was a gamble that paid off. And he didn't take over a team with a serious chance of success. The current Sligo team is far better: a team that he built. Arguably, this season is the closest they have been to winning the league for a long, long time.

If I was a Sligo supporter, I wouldn't think now is the time to take a punt on a manager with no experience. Maybe that's just me.

KK comes across like Kenny Cunningham: very likable player with a good enthusiasm and knowledge of the game and I hope he does well in football but I wouldn't want my club taking a risk on him when we have a good chance of winning the league.

It's laughable the way that any caution expressed about hiring An Irish Hero by people that know and follow the league is seen as heresy. Like people are supposed to grateful that he's favoured the league with his presence or something.

I think that people getting all defensive and protective about a link with a manager is laughable.

I'm neither pro, nor anti Kilbane. I was merely pointing out the irony that people were so adamantly against a possible appointment of a manager with almost identical credentials as the one he could be replacing had when he took over.

Sligo were mid table in 2007 when Cook took over, so they weren't too shabby at the time.

Oat23 · 20-02-2012 3:22pm

Adrian Eames posted on his twitter last night that our Chairman has ruled him out, he doesn't have the pro license. We might get that confirmed at the open forum tonight.

As has been said, this isn't a time where we can take a chance on an untested manager. We have in the past with Cook, Sanchez and Cotterill and they all worked out, but those teams weren't title contenders. I'd like Martin Russell but I don't see him leaving UCD.

Xavi6 · 20-02-2012 3:45pm

CSF wrote: »

The most worrying thing of all is that this link/rumour warrants a thread of its own.

Des wrote: »

He's a hero to the Olé-ers. so yeah, it does.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the reason why people couldn't be fucked with the League of Ireland.

Kevin Kilbane - Player Manager of Sligo?

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