Airport Security (again!)

zuutroy · 17-10-2007 6:39pm #1

So they go through all this rigmarole about bagging up your liquids, queing forever, taking off your shoes, blah blah blah....but I was allowed to walk through yesterday with 100 needles and 5 syringes full of what is effectively poison (insulin) which I had to pick up in Ireland for someone. It wasn't detected nor has it been any of the times said person has travelled in the past 5 years.
The whole thing is such a joke. If someone wants to wreck the place, they will.

cson · 17-10-2007 6:40pm

Medical stuff is exempt afaik. They allowed me bring in a 500ml contact lens solution in my hand luggage.

zuutroy · 17-10-2007 6:44pm

It may well be exempt, but that doesnt take away from its usefulness in hi-jacking a plane!

cson · 17-10-2007 6:59pm

Certainly, a big dripping syringe that contains AIDS, a lá the druggies prefered weapon when robbing, would definitely make you think twice.

Mossy Monk · 17-10-2007 7:01pm

You should call Joe Duffy and tell him this.

Random · 17-10-2007 11:17pm

cson wrote: »

Certainly, a big dripping syringe that contains AIDS, a lá the druggies prefered weapon when robbing, would definitely make you think twice.

POssibly be stabbed by a syriinge or be on a plane that crashes. I'll take my chances on the syringe.

MooseJam · 17-10-2007 11:20pm

the first a380 got delivered there recently, imagine that flying into a building

johnnyrotten · 17-10-2007 11:22pm

cson wrote: »

Certainly, a big dripping syringe that contains AIDS, a lá the druggies prefered weapon when robbing, would definitely make you think twice.

Jesus. Its HIV not AIDS. AIDS is the illness that comes about as a result of HIV. its 2007 and still ignorance about this:rolleyes:

DonalN · 17-10-2007 11:27pm

johnnyrotten wrote: »

Jesus. Its HIV not AIDS. AIDS is the illness that comes about as a result of HIV. its 2007 and still ignorance about this:rolleyes:

and you only get it if u catch the ghey first..!!!

2 stroke · 17-10-2007 11:30pm

cson wrote: »

Certainly, a big dripping syringe that contains AIDS, a lá the druggies prefered weapon when robbing, would definitely make you think twice.

I was threatened with a bloodfilled sringe once. I told the ****head that if he tried it he wouldn't get out alive. Never saw a guy run as fast.

Naikon · 17-10-2007 11:35pm

What I can't understand at all, is that it is possible to purchase items made of glass after security checks.
What If someone decides to hijack a plane armed with shards of glass?

humbert · 17-10-2007 11:39pm

DonalN wrote: »

and you only get it if u catch the ghey first..!!!

No, no, no, no, that's just the bad AIDS!

Random · 17-10-2007 11:39pm

Naikon wrote: »

What I can't understand at all, is that it is possible to purchase items made of glass after security checks.
What If someone decides to hijack a plane armed with shards of glass?

Sssh!! Don't tell them!

Oriel · 17-10-2007 11:40pm

cson wrote: »

Medical stuff is exempt afaik. They allowed me bring in a 500ml contact lens solution in my hand luggage.

You are not allowed more than a 100mm bottle of it.

cson · 17-10-2007 11:49pm

Well I was allowed the 500ml.

Oh and btw I mentioned the syringe in the context of a passenger on a plane using it to hijack a plane. Threatening an air stewardess and the like. :rolleyes:

Bottle_of_Smoke · 17-10-2007 11:57pm

ciaranfo wrote: »

POssibly be stabbed by a syriinge or be on a plane that crashes. I'll take my chances on the syringe.

I'd like to think so, but in reality I'd probably hold out in the hopes someone else would do it.

I reckon there's more people like me than heroes.

ntlbell · 18-10-2007 12:14am

DonalN wrote: »

and you only get it if u catch the ghey first..!!!

get educated

you have to be ghey and like hug n stuff

Black Swan · 18-10-2007 5:01am

cson wrote: »

Certainly, a big dripping syringe that contains AIDS, a lá the druggies prefered weapon when robbing, would definitely make you think twice.

Why HIV? Why not Ebola? What HIV (that turns to AIDS) does in years, Ebola does in a few days, and unlike HIV, Ebola is highly contageous. Not only that, with Ebola you would not have to inject the victim, just squirt one syringe about the closed air in an inflight plane and everyone that breathes is a candidate for infection. Lovely stuff, eh? Just got through reading an action novel about biohazard weapons that could have been a horror story.:eek:

daveirl · 18-10-2007 8:44am

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Wossack · 18-10-2007 9:03am

"Just one teaspoon of super-AIDS in your butt and you'll be dead within 3 years."

davidoco · 18-10-2007 12:41pm

zuutroy wrote: »

So they go through all this rigmarole about bagging up your liquids, queing forever, taking off your shoes, blah blah blah....but I was allowed to walk through yesterday with 100 needles and 5 syringes full of what is effectively poison (insulin) which I had to pick up in Ireland for someone. It wasn't detected nor has it been any of the times said person has travelled in the past 5 years.
The whole thing is such a joke. If someone wants to wreck the place, they will.

Somehow I can't see an amendment to the Al Queda Training Manual on using those needles to hijack a plane. Are insulin needles not tiny? (less than 5mm long) and they come on a cap. A punch to the face from my 2 year old would probably hurt more than 100 of them stuck in my body.

They aren't going to stop you and explain that those needles are ok to bring in much the same way as they aren't going to stop you to explain that your toothbrush is safe.

cornbb · 18-10-2007 12:50pm

The whole security rigmarole is bullsh*t, anyone who really really really want to hijack a plane will manage it no matter what is done. Its just brainless overzealous bureaucracies that come up with this stuff. Was delayed at security at San Francisco airport a few weeks ago because they were x-raying loaves of bread for one of the cafés. In Dublin airport they don't check any of the pallets of supplies for all the duty free shops. Yet the fare-paying public are held up for ages so things like nail files and tweezers can be confiscated.The mind boggles

zuutroy · 18-10-2007 12:57pm

davidoco wrote: »

A punch to the face from my 2 year old would probably hurt more than 100 of them stuck in my body.

Indeed, but if 0.5ml of insulin happens to pass through it when its stuck in your body you'll be in trouble.

Wook · 18-10-2007 12:57pm

zuutroy wrote: »

So they go through all this rigmarole about bagging up your liquids, queing forever, taking off your shoes, blah blah blah....but I was allowed to walk through yesterday with 100 needles and 5 syringes full of what is effectively poison (insulin) which I had to pick up in Ireland for someone. It wasn't detected nor has it been any of the times said person has travelled in the past 5 years.
The whole thing is such a joke. If someone wants to wreck the place, they will.

-Two weeks later-

Zuutroy post topic , Airports at it again , long delays and queus to board my plane !

MOH · 18-10-2007 1:15pm

daveirl wrote: »

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No, that's insomnia. Smallpox is much worse.

cson wrote: »

Well I was allowed the 500ml.

Oh and btw I mentioned the syringe in the context of a passenger on a plane using it to hijack a plane. Threatening an air stewardess and the like. :rolleyes:

Were you specifically allowed it or did they just not notice it?

Overheal · 18-10-2007 1:19pm

cson wrote: »

Medical stuff is exempt afaik. They allowed me bring in a 500ml contact lens solution in my hand luggage.

500ml != (100 needles + 5 syringes of Insulin)

you cant attack someone on a plane with lens cleaner (but I'd love to see someone try)

Degsy · 18-10-2007 1:20pm

If you want to take over aplane,get atwo foot piece of perspex,sharpen it to a point and grind and edge onto it...stick it down the back of your cacks when you're going through the metal detector,sit there chuckling to yourself throughout the flight and whip it out and cut up a few pasengers untill the pilot flies you to cuba or wherever.

faceman · 18-10-2007 1:24pm

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Why HIV? Why not Ebola? What HIV (that turns to AIDS) does in years, Ebola does in a few days, and unlike HIV, Ebola is highly contageous. Not only that, with Ebola you would not have to inject the victim, just squirt one syringe about the closed air in an inflight plane and everyone that breathes is a candidate for infection. Lovely stuff, eh? Just got through reading an action novel about biohazard weapons that could have been a horror story.:eek:

Ebola only spreads through bodily fluids. It doesnt transmit through the air in the same way the flu does. Thats why it doesnt wreak havoc like the media likes to tell us it can.

Naikon wrote: »

What I can't understand at all, is that it is possible to purchase items made of glass after security checks.
What If someone decides to hijack a plane armed with shards of glass?

do you honestly believe that in this day and age (post 9/11) that if some whacko stands up on a plane with a shard of glass in his hand that he can hijack a plane? For a start, we all know that modern day terrorists and suicide bombers put their mission before their life. no one will sit there and not try and stop him, its only a shard of glass FFS!

also the flightdeck door is locked once the airplane's door's are shut. a shard of glass isnt goin to blow it open!!

Reku · 18-10-2007 1:35pm

Nothing to stop you from using a shard of obsidian (supposedly fragments to a finer edge than even a surgeon's scalpal) in the end of a melted toothbrush as a knife. Fact is if someone really wants to figure out a way of getting weapons on board a plane they'll find a way. Then what about threatening to take a batch of cyanide pills, in the enclosed air of the plane everyone would be subject to the poisoning, think a brief detour would be preferable to dying to most people.

davidoco · 18-10-2007 1:36pm

zuutroy wrote: »

Indeed, but if 0.5ml of insulin happens to pass through it when its stuck in your body you'll be in trouble.

And where's the lucozade when you need it. Overpriced and back in duty free.

Dragan · 18-10-2007 1:39pm

I got through with a giant scissors that i forgot was in my bag last weekend.

Stabby Stabby

faceman · 18-10-2007 1:39pm

farohar wrote: »

Nothing to stop you from using a shard of obsidian (supposedly fragments to a finer edge than even a surgeon's scalpal) in the end of a melted toothbrush as a knife. Fact is if someone really wants to figure out a way of getting weapons on board a plane they'll find a way. Then what about threatening to take a batch of cyanide pills, in the enclosed air of the plane everyone would be subject to the poisoning, think a brief detour would be preferable to dying to most people.

lets ban air travel completely so!

BaconZombie · 18-10-2007 1:42pm

daveirl wrote: »

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The T-Virus mixed with Solanum is what keeps me awake at night.

zuutroy · 18-10-2007 1:42pm

davidoco wrote: »

And where's the lucozade when you need it. Overpriced and back in duty free.

Mr E · 18-10-2007 1:45pm

"Do you have anything in your carry on luggage that could be used as a weapon?"

"Well let me see, my laptop is pretty heavy - I could probably clock someone over the head with it and do some damage. Then there is the power cable, perfect for strangulation. I have a few pens - I could jab someone in the neck...."

Its such a ridiculous question, but you have to stand there and say "No".

Melion · 18-10-2007 2:27pm

God i hate people like you lot. Im security for US bound flights in Shannon Airport. Any questions you are asked are set out by the TSA(The US Government), they have to be asked. Dont be so stupid, just answer them and dont be a smart arse about it. We only laugh at you when you go past us so dont think you're getting one up on us.

And with regards to the liquid ban, that is also set out by every government in the world, why do people persist in giving out about it? You all seen the news last year, thats why there is a ban. It irritates the sh1t out of me when people give out about losing a bottle of water, its been on the news for more than a year, you know its not allowed so why did you try to carry it on.

/rant over

cornbb · 18-10-2007 2:36pm

Melion wrote: »

God i hate people like you lot. Im security for US bound flights in Shannon Airport. Any questions you are asked are set out by the TSA(The US Government), they have to be asked. Dont be so stupid, just answer them and dont be a smart arse about it. We only laugh at you when you go past us so dont think you're getting one up on us.

Our rants aren't aimed at you, they are aimed at whatever bureaucrats came up with the rules. they're not very smart, it appears (see below)

And with regards to the liquid ban, that is also set out by every government in the world, why do people persist in giving out about it? You all seen the news last year, thats why there is a ban. It irritates the sh1t out of me when people give out about losing a bottle of water, its been on the news for more than a year, you know its not allowed so why did you try to carry it on.

/rant over

Yes we saw the news. The point is, if someone wants to cause havok on a plane they will find a way to do it. Someone tried to take liquid explosives on a plane so they banned liquids. Next year someone will strangle someone with headphones so they'll ban shoelaces and headphones. The following year a judo blackbelt will kill someone so they'll ban martial artists. And so it will continue ad infinitum...

And yet they'll still allow literally tons and tons of stock into the duty free shops every day without checkin it out. Its completely illogical!

ScumLord · 18-10-2007 2:41pm

"Do you have anything in your carry on luggage that could be used as a weapon?"

I wonder is Chuck Norris aloud on a plane? Considering he is a deadly weapon.

I got through with a giant scissors that i forgot was in my bag last weekend.

Stabby Stabby

That happened to me too. I think I was flying from Vienna to Dublin and I forgot about the scissors in my carry on. I said sorry, will I have to leave that here? The security guard (Austrian) did a very typically Irish gesture and just let me off putting the scissors back in my bag.

daveirl · 18-10-2007 2:44pm

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kdouglas · 18-10-2007 2:55pm

Same thing happened to me flying home from Berlin during the summer, had a swiss army knife in my bag, went through x-ray, security guy comes over, i take it out and fully expect to lose it, he opens the large blade, looks at it then folds it away and hands it back to me and says, "It's ok"...

I was like wtf?? It's ok?? but yet i couldnt bring any liquids on board

MOH · 18-10-2007 3:48pm

ScumLord wrote: »

That happened to me too. I think I was flying from Vienna to Dublin and I forgot about the scissors in my carry on. I said sorry, will I have to leave that here? The security guard (Austrian) did a very typically Irish gesture and just let me off putting the scissors back in my bag.

I was flying back from Riga earlier in the year. Had some liquid in the bag over 100 ml. Expected security guy to take it off me, but he just said it had to be in a clear plastic bag. Then he handed me a clear plastic bag. Put liquid in bag, eveything OK now. Except I then had to pay him about 50 cents for the plastic bag!

Worst extortion attempt ever.

Degsy · 18-10-2007 3:51pm

Melion wrote: »

God i hate people like you lot. Im security for US bound flights in Shannon Airport. Any questions you are asked are set out by the TSA(The US Government), they have to be asked. Dont be so stupid, just answer them and dont be a smart arse about it. We only laugh at you when you go past us so dont think you're getting one up on us.

And with regards to the liquid ban, that is also set out by every government in the world, why do people persist in giving out about it? You all seen the news last year, thats why there is a ban. It irritates the sh1t out of me when people give out about losing a bottle of water, its been on the news for more than a year, you know its not allowed so why did you try to carry it on.

/rant over

HATE you people.Complete nobodies given a tiny taste of power so they try to ruin everybody's flight.I suppose it must rankle,i'm heading off to the sun for two weeks and you're stuck in a poxy airport with no natural light all day.

ScumLord · 18-10-2007 4:01pm

MOH wrote: »

I was flying back from Riga earlier in the year. Had some liquid in the bag over 100 ml. Expected security guy to take it off me, but he just said it had to be in a clear plastic bag. Then he handed me a clear plastic bag. Put liquid in bag, eveything OK now. Except I then had to pay him about 50 cents for the plastic bag!

Worst extortion attempt ever.

I'll be in Riga in about 2 weeks..

beanyb · 18-10-2007 4:05pm

I had the pleasure of flying through Kapalua airport in Maui, Hawaii this summer. There are no words for how hilarious it was. It was a tiny airport, that only did a couple of inter-island flights a day so it's hardly a likely target for terrorists or anything, but there was absolutely zero security. Even Donegal airport has security!

There was a metal detector and all that, but nobody manning them. We just waltzed on through with our bags. You didnt check your bags in, the pilot picked them up at the gate and carried them to the plane. The cockpit door was the flimsiest thing I've ever seen. The pilot even made a joke about it being Al-Qaeda proof.

Best view I've ever seen from an airport though.

Kintarō Hattori · 18-10-2007 4:20pm

Melion wrote: »

God i hate people like you lot. Im security for US bound flights in Shannon Airport. Any questions you are asked are set out by the TSA(The US Government), they have to be asked. Dont be so stupid, just answer them and dont be a smart arse about it. We only laugh at you when you go past us so dont think you're getting one up on us.

And with regards to the liquid ban, that is also set out by every government in the world, why do people persist in giving out about it? You all seen the news last year, thats why there is a ban. It irritates the sh1t out of me when people give out about losing a bottle of water, its been on the news for more than a year, you know its not allowed so why did you try to carry it on.

/rant over

As has been said already the new security situation in airports is shambolic. It seems to be aimed at creating a situation of panic and fear. I don't ever remember a plane being blown up with a liquid bomb. It's an absurd rule and one that seems to be aimed squarely at making life difficult for people.
As other posters have mentioned, they aren't allowed take on any liquids more than 100ml yet the security guards don't batter an eyelid at knives or scissors. How does that make sense?

And don't get me started on how gruff some of these people are. While some are very pleasant, an awful lot seem to be souless people with an inability to smile. It's incredibly annoying, it doesn't cost anything to smile. Sure you might be dealing with alot of people, but you knew that when you applied for the job, so if you have a problem dealing with the public, give it up.

Degsy · 18-10-2007 4:27pm

eo980 wrote: »

As has been said already the new security situation in airports is shambolic. It seems to be aimed at creating a situation of panic and fear. I don't ever remember a plane being blown up with a liquid bomb. It's an absurd rule and one that seems to be aimed squarely at making life difficult for people.
As other posters have mentioned, they aren't allowed take on any liquids more than 100ml yet the security guards don't batter an eyelid at knives or scissors. How does that make sense?

And don't get me started on how gruff some of these people are. While some are very pleasant, an awful lot seem to be souless people with an inability to smile. It's incredibly annoying, it doesn't cost anything to smile. Sure you might be dealing with alot of people, but you knew that when you applied for the job, so if you have a problem dealing with the public, give it up.

Amen.What kind of a bomb would be in liquid form but requiring no electrical detonator to set it off?A bottle of nitroglycerine(for example) would have detonated on the bus on the way to the airport.AND There are no spectroscopes to detect proper explosives either.The people who trot out this absurd routine are usually incredibly unfriendly,rude and unpleasant.They seem to forget that its the paying public who pay thier bloody wages so they dont need to behave like arseholes all the time.Bloody clowns ahve been watching too much television.

Melion · 18-10-2007 5:10pm

Degsy wrote: »

HATE you people.Complete nobodies given a tiny taste of power so they try to ruin everybody's flight.I suppose it must rankle,i'm heading off to the sun for two weeks and you're stuck in a poxy airport with no natural light all day.

See, if you read my post you'd have read i dont cater for your chav holidays to crete. Its US Bound flights that i work with. Im not at the metal detectors with them muppets. I finish at half 1 at the latest every day so i see plenty of natural light, thanks a lot for your concern though.

How exactly is someone taking a bottle of water off you ruining a flight?

Melion · 18-10-2007 5:12pm

Degsy wrote: »

Amen.What kind of a bomb would be in liquid form but requiring no electrical detonator to set it off?A bottle of nitroglycerine(for example) would have detonated on the bus on the way to the airport.AND There are no spectroscopes to detect proper explosives either.The people who trot out this absurd routine are usually incredibly unfriendly,rude and unpleasant.They seem to forget that its the paying public who pay thier bloody wages so they dont need to behave like arseholes all the time.Bloody clowns ahve been watching too much television.

Did you hear anything about what happened last year with the liquid bomb theory? But of course you are smarter and know more about bombs than professionals in England and America.

humbert · 18-10-2007 5:17pm

I heard some would be terrorists were caught with some solid explosive in the bottom of a drink bottle, is that it or is there more?

Melion · 18-10-2007 5:19pm

humbert wrote: »

I heard some would be terrorists were caught with some solid explosive in the bottom of a drink bottle, is that it or is there more?

Well if thats what you think it was, then read up on it

humbert · 18-10-2007 5:21pm

Sounds like you're more interested in purporting that you have knowledge of the subject than dispensing it.

Airport Security (again!)

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