Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12-Jan 2012 onwards

whatawaster wrote: »

Of all our "dodgy" summer signings - Adam, Henderson, Downing - Henderson is the only one I'd consider buying again.

I'd give him a 6/10 this season, but I've no doubt he will improve, and at the very least be a good player for us.

Henderson's value may not come from being a great player for us, but rather being a very good player who stays with us for many years. The longer he stays and contributes the less expensive his transfer fee starts to look.

Chucky the tree wrote: »

None of these lads will probably be around in 5/6 years.

Paully D wrote: »

I've been very surprised with Downing though. Thought he would fit absolutely perfectly into your side and would have said in August that he was going to be by far your best signing.

Liverpool have been told by a group of local and national black leaders that they should issue an unreserved apology to Manchester United's Patrice Evra, having contributed to the "incitement of racism in football and the wider society" with their reluctant acceptance of Luis Suarez's punishment for using a racially derogatory term to Evra.

Suarez has never apologised directly to Evra and a revealing sense of how the controversy has provided an excuse for the racist minority to air their vitriol publicly was provided last week by youth worker and Liverpool FC scout Earl Jenkins. Now, in an open letter to the club and manager Kenny Dalglish, whose insistence that Suarez take a penalty in front of the Kop against Brighton on Sunday seemed a gesture of solidarity, the group have told Liverpool to accept publicly the findings of the FA-appointed independent regulatory commission once and for all. They are yet to offer such a comment.

Gloria Hyatt, who leads the group, said: "Liverpool FC has presided over the worst incident of racism in football seen in recent years. Their misguided handling of the ... saga has let down all of those in the city who work hard to challenge racism and to make Liverpool a better place to live for everyone."

Lee Jasper, the activist who was equality adviser to the Ken Livingstone during his time as Mayor of London, said: "The club, including the owners, the players and the manager need to realise the enormous damage caused by their reluctance and obdurate behaviour. Kenny Dalglish used to manage Celtic. He ought to know the importance of stamping out bigotry. The club failed the city, the nation as a whole, and Britain's black communities. Their abysmal lack of leadership on these issues has given a green light to racism. They must make urgent reparations ... and a clear and unequivocal apology."

The group's open letter says racism in football calls for "unambiguous anti-racist leadership" but that Liverpool's actions "fell short of the high standard of leadership expected for a team of their standing." The group has called for Liverpool, in partnership with ethnic minority organisations, to sponsor an international conference on the issue of eradicating racism in football.

Jenkins described how the Suarez affair had affectedhis Liverpool-supporting nephew for last week's Anfield Wrap podcast. "[He] doesn't want to go [to games] any more because for the first time he has seen our supporters racially abusing opposition players. He is scared to go." The abuse had occurred "two or three weeks ago" during an away match, Jenkins said. "[Racists] have felt comfortable saying that. They didn't before."

The worst racist incident? What is next? Should Suarez apologise for the Holocaust? For Rwanda? Is this Gloria completlly deluded or is she taking sides with Evra just because he is Black (as far as I am concern the FA "findings" were based on the "balance of probabilities???!!!"). I know the British society is having problem dealing with their colonialist and racist past and only now are coming to terms with that. But the problem wasn't originated or created by Suarez, and just because Evra is Black, that doesn't make him innocent. The balance of probabilities is that he used the race card to unssettle a great player who also has black blood and is proud of it.
Like all uruguayans, we are proud of our black heritage, long before British people. Many of our heros are Black, like el Negro Jefe (Obdulio Varela) who took Uruguay to victory in 1950 or el Negro Rada, or Ansina. When all these things happened in Uruguay, Britain was still helping the racist government in South Africa, or colonising India.In Uruguay, we are proud of our Black Heritage, we are proud of Suarez and we have a great respect for Liverpool for defending an unjust witch-hunt, used as cover up for the real issues of race you have in your country, like the army bombing muslims abroad, or if you want the case of Terry / Ferdinand (Is this the real reason why you only hear about Surez Evra and not about Terry Ferdinand? It wouldn't suprisse me at all)Yo are really making a disservice to the racial issues by taking sides when nothing was proven and to be honest, I read the report, and I am not surprised Liverpool didn't accept the finding, is full of inaccuracies, double standards and denigrations towards Suarez, while they keep a blind eye to Evra's indiscretions, insults and playing the victim. Pathetic, double standards and hipocritical.

Mr Alan wrote: »

Pretty much.

SlickRic wrote: »

nah, he's a genuine Liverpool man, one of our greatest players, who was just shít at managing the club.

Woy wasn't a genuine Liverpool manager because he was shít, PLUS he had no idea what the supporters expected out of a Liverpool manager in terms of demeanour, expectation and pride in the club.

the minute he called our Everton loss a great performance, saying it all with a genuine beam of pride as to how we'd played, that was it. he had no idea where he was at or what he was doing.

then the "historic night" against Trabzonspor was just icing on the cake.

i can take shítness, but his buffoonery was a whole other level, and he should never be referred to as having managed the club as a result.