Aer TV

Elmo · 07-10-2011 11:39am #1

Just noticed this from magnet

www.aertv.ie

no subscription required, you just have to watch an ad before the feed starts. Wonder how TV3, RTÉ and TG4 feel about them eating into their advertising revenue.

New music service from Magnet

copacetic · 07-10-2011 4:17pm

Won't work for me, get the ad ok then no channel will play, is it working ok for everyone else?

Elmo · 07-10-2011 5:11pm

copacetic wrote: »

Won't work for me, get the ad ok then no channel will play, is it working ok for everyone else?

Try in another browser. It is working in Chrome.

cathalosullivan · 09-10-2011 4:20pm

I'm having issues watching Aertv on all my browsers. The ad loads up perfectly but then when the actual channels come on, the picture is distorted and extremely blurry. The sound quality is fine but its the picture that's not working.

Any ideas?

icdg · 09-10-2011 9:17pm

Elmo wrote: »

Just noticed this from magnet

www.aertv.ie

no subscription required, you just have to watch an ad before the feed starts. Wonder how TV3, RTÉ and TG4 feel about them eating into their advertising revenue.

New music service from Magnet

RTÉ was considering sending it to their solicitors last I heard. Its almost certainly breach of copyright if done without permission.

BrianD · 10-10-2011 12:07am

Yeah, I was wondering how they can rebroadcast these channels and insert advertisements. I could understand it if it was available just to Magnet subscribers an a part of their deal.

There must be a legal footing for it.

Johnboy1951 · 10-10-2011 12:23am

icdg wrote: »

RTÉ was considering sending it to their solicitors last I heard. Its almost certainly breach of copyright if done without permission.

I watched RTÉ 1 tonight on Magnet ..... and shut down briefly ...... and when I tried to access again just after midnight I was refused ..... seems to be now locked to Magnet customers ... for a price?

AerTV worked perfectly ....

Brian CivilEng · 10-10-2011 12:58pm

cathalosullivan wrote: »

I'm having issues watching Aertv on all my browsers. The ad loads up perfectly but then when the actual channels come on, the picture is distorted and extremely blurry. The sound quality is fine but its the picture that's not working.

Any ideas?

This worked for me, right click on the picture and click "Settings". Click on the first tab, "Display" (picture of a monitor) and see if "Enable hardware acceleration" is checked. If it is, uncheck it, press "Close" and reload the page. When the video starts again it should be working ok.

Minstrel27 · 10-10-2011 7:06pm

Picture quality if fine for an internet stream.

cathalosullivan · 10-10-2011 9:27pm

Thanks for that, a simply matter of unchecking the box!Working perfectly now

Elmo · 10-10-2011 9:32pm

Looks like they will also launch a movie channel on the service.

Johnboy1951 · 11-10-2011 12:34pm

BrianD wrote: »

Yeah, I was wondering how they can rebroadcast these channels and insert advertisements. I could understand it if it was available just to Magnet subscribers an a part of their deal.

There must be a legal footing for it.

It seemed to me that they were carrying the ads as broadcast ...... the only extra ad I noticed was the one while the service was beginning.

Am I misunderstanding what is happening?

Elmo · 11-10-2011 12:46pm

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

It seemed to me that they were carrying the ads as broadcast ...... the only extra ad I noticed was the one while the service was beginning.

Am I misunderstanding what is happening?

They are using RTÉ, TV3 and TG4 to advertise their company. As the service becomes more popular that ad will begin to be for other products. Both types of ads have issues.

Magnet do not pay any of the above companies for their services and are thus getting a free ad. This is also down to rights issues as TV3 pay ITV for programming Magnet do not, RTÉ pay BBC for programming Magnet do not and TG4 pay Independent Producers for programming Magnet do not and so on (See can be innocently bias as well haha, okay okay TG4 pay Warner Bros.).

It would be kind of like RTÉ placing an ad for RTÉ every time you switch to TV3, or UPC placing an ad for UPC every time you turn on your STB.

Johnboy1951 · 11-10-2011 12:57pm

Elmo wrote: »

They are using RTÉ, TV3 and TG4 to advertise their company. As the service becomes more popular that ad will begin to be for other products. Both types of ads have issues.

Magnet do not pay any of the above companies for their services and are thus getting a free ad. This is also down to rights issues as TV3 pay ITV for programming Magnet do not, RTÉ pay BBC for programming Magnet do not and TG4 pay Independent Producers for programming Magnet do not and so on (See can be innocently bias as well haha, okay okay TG4 pay Warner Bros.).

It would be kind of like RTÉ placing an ad for RTÉ every time you switch to TV3,

I am not seeing that here ....... there is a Magnet ad when the service starts .... which I would consider they are entitled to have .... but there is no further ad from Magnet no matter what channels are chosen.

or UPC placing an ad for UPC every time you turn on your STB.

Yes that would equate to what I am seeing ..... but other than pee-ing off the user I don't see there would be anything 'wrong' with that.

regards.

BrianD · 11-10-2011 2:15pm

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I am not seeing that here ....... there is a Magnet ad when the service starts .... which I would consider they are entitled to have
.

Can't see why they would be entitled to. It's the broadcasters content that they are reusing.

Having said that there's a lot of third party apps that reuse other peoples content e.g. radio apps. Some day soon the free party will come to an end.

Elmo · 11-10-2011 2:26pm

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I am not seeing that here ....... there is a Magnet ad when the service starts .... which I would consider they are entitled to have .... but there is no further ad from Magnet no matter what channels are chosen.

Yes that would equate to what I am seeing ..... but other than pee-ing off the user I don't see there would be anything 'wrong' with that.

regards.

Okay the UPC example was badly put perhaps if UPC placed a UPC add up everytime you changed channel, not just their logo. Also the fact that UPC prob won't advertise their service to current customers.

People have to get paid, weather you like that or not. And Magnet are using this as a marketing tool for their own service to make money.

Also AFAIK, and ICDG can confirm this, there was a point at which some local cable/mmds operators were selling opt out ads on certain TV channels and even placed their own local programming during some schedules.

Johnboy1951 · 11-10-2011 6:30pm

Elmo wrote: »

Okay the UPC example was badly put perhaps if UPC placed a UPC add up everytime you changed channel, not just their logo.

But Magnet does not introduce an ad at every channel change only at first access to their service - before any TV channel is selected, so the example previously given was quite appropriate I think.

Elmo · 11-10-2011 7:39pm

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

But Magnet does not introduce an ad at every channel change only at first access to their service - before any TV channel is selected, so the example previously given was quite appropriate I think.

1st I agree with you the UPC analogy doesn't work. I apologies but I did state this.

Now for a disclaimer: -

I do not know of any agreement made by Magnet and the broadcasters involved, they may well have a lucrative deal with each.

If they do not have any agreement my argument stands:-

Magnet are using FTA TV services to promote their service, which is akin to using a piece of music on an advert without the permission of the song writer, singer and/or record label.

If this is the case you would wonder why Magnet don't provide other FTA satellite services (Or FTA services from other countries) on AerTV? <<< Of course that is rhetorical because we all know the answer.

HEAnet and Magnet networks only coming up at the moment, and also I do realize Russia Today and France24 play on the service.

icdg · 12-10-2011 6:10pm

Elmo wrote: »

Also AFAIK, and ICDG can confirm this, there was a point at which some local cable/mmds operators were selling opt out ads on certain TV channels and even placed their own local programming during some schedules.

Cablelink used to opt-out of ad breaks on Sky One and Sky News to run adverts for Sky Sports and Sky Movies. Sometimes extremely long adverts that would run almost the entire length of an ad break.

Arguably this was different because BSkyB were not selling advertising in the Republic of Ireland (or, at any rate, specifically for the Republic of Ireland) and benefited if people subscribed to Sky Sports or Sky Movies. Once BSkyB started selling Irish advertising on Sky One and Sky News the practice ceased (but not before NTL had gotten a deal out of Sky in return for carrying the Irish opt out advertising).

It should be noted that while Sky One and Sky News were regarded as fair game, Cablelink never touched ad breaks on RTÉ, TV3, TG4, ITV, or Channel 4.

Cork Communications also interrupted ad breaks to remind people to pay their bills.

I don't remember any cable company actually replacing the ad breaks with substitute commercial advertising. Some deflectors may have though (RLO TV comes to mind).

Johnboy1951 · 12-10-2011 8:20pm

Back to Aertv ..... as far as I am aware the ads carried and displayed on Aertv are those broadcast by the TV service ..... with the one exception of the ad that is present for Magnet prior to any TV channel being tuned in.

Changes between different TV channels does not induce any further ads from Magnet.
In a few hours viewing, the only Magnet ad I saw was the one shown before I got a TV channel displayed.

I just don't see what the problem is with that.

It is completely different to the idea of substituting ads that are broadcast with their own ...... for which I presume they would have to have an agreement, with the broadcaster, to do.

If there is cause for them not to stream a particular TV channel or some particular programme, that is a different matter.

very · 12-10-2011 11:16pm

CatchUpTV in the Uk is similar and was deemed legal. When you think about it, its just acting like tv provider (eg sky) but online.

Elmo · 13-10-2011 2:36am

very wrote: »

CatchUpTV in the Uk is similar and was deemed legal. When you think about it, its just acting like tv provider (eg sky) but online.

Ah but sky and virgin and most tv providers have agreements with broadcasters for carraige.

Aer tv as a site is clearly a promotion of magnet services.

RTE, Tv3 and Tg4 do not provide full live broadcasts of there own channels, how is it that magnet can.

Anyway the question still hasn't been answered.

Scrum5 · 15-10-2011 9:03pm

As RTE.ie not showing Premier Soccer Saturday live this site has saved me from X-factor!

Headphones on, laptop to aertv.ie, football on, wifey watching X factor everyone happy : )

15-10-2011 9:11pm

icdg wrote: »

Cablelink used to opt-out of ad breaks on Sky One and Sky News to run adverts for Sky Sports and Sky Movies. Sometimes extremely long adverts that would run almost the entire length of an ad break.

Yep, I remember these. Some were modified Sky Sports promos, with Bruce Hammal actually mentioning Cablelink. I also remember ridiculously long pauses at the end of the adverts while they waited to cleanly cut back to the Sky One feed.

bodhrandude · 27-10-2011 10:52pm

Bump. Enjoying this free service, especially aertv music.

BrianD · 27-10-2011 11:48pm

icdg wrote: »

Cablelink used to opt-out of ad breaks on Sky One and Sky News to run adverts for Sky Sports and Sky Movies. Sometimes extremely long adverts that would run almost the entire length of an ad break.

Arguably this was different because BSkyB were not selling advertising in the Republic of Ireland (or, at any rate, specifically for the Republic of Ireland) and benefited if people subscribed to Sky Sports or Sky Movies. Once BSkyB started selling Irish advertising on Sky One and Sky News the practice ceased (but not before NTL had gotten a deal out of Sky in return for carrying the Irish opt out advertising).

It should be noted that while Sky One and Sky News were regarded as fair game, Cablelink never touched ad breaks on RTÉ, TV3, TG4, ITV, or Channel 4.

Cork Communications also interrupted ad breaks to remind people to pay their bills.

I don't remember any cable company actually replacing the ad breaks with substitute commercial advertising. Some deflectors may have though (RLO TV comes to mind).

Cablelink would not have been able to insert any adverts without the prior agreement of the broadcaster, in this case Sky. I presume that this may have been a primitive fore runner to the "Irish versions" of the channels that are now available.

icdg · 29-10-2011 9:53am

BrianD wrote: »

Cablelink would not have been able to insert any adverts without the prior agreement of the broadcaster, in this case Sky. I presume that this may have been a primitive fore runner to the "Irish versions" of the channels that are now available.

Oh, they definitely had Sky's agreement - as Karisini mentions above Sky actually modified their own promos to mention Cablelink and their phone number.

bk · 29-10-2011 1:45pm

BrianD wrote: »

Having said that there's a lot of third party apps that reuse other peoples content e.g. radio apps. Some day soon the free party will come to an end.

To the determent of the user.

We go from having one app that gives you all the channels in the world to needing a separate app for each, crap.

Can't the advertisers just be happy that they are getting more eyeballs.

watty · 29-10-2011 2:15pm

Yes RLO TV lost their licence to rebroadcast C5.

BrianD · 15-11-2011 2:19pm

bk wrote: »

To the determent of the user.

We go from having one app that gives you all the channels in the world to needing a separate app for each, crap.

Can't the advertisers just be happy that they are getting more eyeballs.

At the moment, advertisers have no measurement on how their ads perform on AerTV so it doesn't count.

The second thing is that no TV licence seems to be required for AerTV which means that in the long term how do we fund public broadcasting. This could be easily solved by a requirement of AerTV to restrict viewing to licence holders (registration process).

There is a surprising silence from RTE on this one and even TV3. Any wind of developments?

Johnboy1951 · 15-11-2011 2:43pm

BrianD wrote: »

At the moment, advertisers have no measurement on how their ads perform on AerTV so it doesn't count.

The second thing is that no TV licence seems to be required for AerTV which means that in the long term how do we fund public broadcasting. This could be easily solved by a requirement of AerTV to restrict viewing to licence holders (registration process).

There is a surprising silence from RTE on this one and even TV3. Any wind of developments?

It was my understanding that the TV licencing laws were being changed to ensure that anyone capable of receiving TV channels were required to pay a licence fee.

That, IIRC, included receiving broadcast signals over the internet.

So regardless of AerTV's apparent position, the user would be required to pay a licence fee.

Has this law not been enacted?
I haven't kept up with the situation ..... only recall the discussion around it at the time it was proposed.

RadioRetro · 21-11-2011 2:46pm

No change so far, all that's covered so far is a TV card on a computer requires a licence fee. The government has proposed a broadband tax to replace the licence fee but things have gone quiet on that one.

In other news, for the last few days I've been getting stuttering of both sound and picture with my online Irish TV viewing. RTE is the worst offender but Aertv is also annoying. It doesn't happen with foreign streams though. Very odd. Anyone else experienced this?

Johnboy1951 · 21-11-2011 3:03pm

RadioRetro wrote: »

No change so far, all that's covered so far is a TV card on a computer requires a licence fee. The government has proposed a broadband tax to replace the licence fee but things have gone quiet on that one.

In other news, for the last few days I've been getting stuttering of both sound and picture with my online Irish TV viewing. RTE is the worst offender but Aertv is also annoying. It doesn't happen with foreign streams though. Very odd. Anyone else experienced this?

I would be more inclined to suspect a local issue ...... connection or PC.

RadioRetro · 21-11-2011 11:42pm

Yeah, I agree. Still funny that foreign streams are unaffected. And the RTE Player is unwatchable. But that's off topic, ignore me.

[EDIT] And now (23.56) it's working perfectly... spooky.

Elmo · 31-01-2012 4:31pm

Aer TV plan 10 new Irish channels.

You would think that they would be better off trying for 2 broadcast channels and VOD rather then a streaming service. The current AerTV service lacks much content.

See: Sunday Business Post for more details.

I also assume they remain "FTA" as long as you have a broadband/internet sub.

And as we found out the IFB are coming together to provide a film channel.

Johnboy1951 · 31-01-2012 5:54pm

I never seem to be able to get the Dáil Channel to display ...... is this common?

Elmo · 31-01-2012 6:26pm

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I never seem to be able to get the Dáil Channel to display ...... is this common?

They are possibly on Holiday

rarely use the services tbh.

Johnboy1951 · 01-02-2012 12:46am

Elmo wrote: »

They are possibly on Holiday rarely use the services tbh.

Were you ever able to get it?

I tried again today ..... supposed to be on this afternoon, but got nothing ....... browser just spins its wheels!

Onthe3rdDay · 01-02-2012 3:32am

Anyone that's eager to watch the Dail can go directly to the source

http://www.oireachtas.ie/viewdoc.asp?fn=/documents/livewebcast/Web-Live.htm

There's even a link to Oireachas TV as broadcast on UPC Ch.801

Johnboy1951 · 02-02-2012 7:00pm

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

Anyone that's eager to watch the Dail can go directly to the source

http://www.oireachtas.ie/viewdoc.asp?fn=/documents/livewebcast/Web-Live.htm

There's even a link to Oireachas TV as broadcast on UPC Ch.801

Which of course does not help at all in a thread about AerTV

Elmo · 02-02-2012 8:35pm

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Which of course does not help at all in a thread about AerTV

Nor do the following links

http://www.rte.ie/player/#l=7
http://www.tv3.ie/player/
http://www.tg4.ie/ie/tg4-player/tg4-player.html

Onthe3rdDay · 03-02-2012 2:15pm

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Which of course does not help at all in a thread about AerTV

Sorry for trying to help. I was under the impression that you actually wanted to watch our esteemed leaders.

Johnboy1951 · 03-02-2012 2:57pm

Onthe3rdDay wrote: »

Sorry for trying to help. I was under the impression that you actually wanted to watch our esteemed leaders.

not really!

I wanted to know why I cannot ever seem to get that channel to display ........ and if anyone else has this problem or not.

I would still like to know if everyone else is able to display the channel or not ......

Mumha · 11-02-2012 6:15pm

Anyone else having a problem with Aertv ? It seems to be stalling in showing a live channel. I have the 6 nations on the laptop from www.rte.ie/live working fine, however on the other laptop, aertv starts to show RTE2 but immediately stalls/hangs.

Elmo · 11-02-2012 8:41pm

Mumha wrote: »

Anyone else having a problem with Aertv ? It seems to be stalling in showing a live channel. I have the 6 nations on the laptop from www.rte.ie/live working fine, however on the other laptop, aertv starts to show RTE2 but immediately stalls/hangs.

Could be numbers trying to access the coverage???? No probs with either here.

Elmo · 11-02-2012 9:02pm

Mumha wrote: »

Anyone else having a problem with Aertv ? It seems to be stalling in showing a live channel. I have the 6 nations on the laptop from www.rte.ie/live working fine, however on the other laptop, aertv starts to show RTE2 but immediately stalls/hangs.

Must be the weather :pac:

Elmo · 20-02-2012 7:58pm

AerTV Movies is available now. Currently showing JDIFF programming.

Skid · 23-02-2012 10:25pm

Elmo wrote: »

AerTV Movies is available now. Currently showing JDIFF programming.

Yeah, they also have the same advert for that Festival every time you switch channel.

It gets a little bit tedious after a while.

I suppose it pays a few bills.

BOXSER · 29-02-2012 5:29pm

Hi to all , anyone having any probs with AERTV, bad stream ,connection failure, and also does the Rte player stream all programes live as in the day to day listings ?

Elmo · 29-02-2012 5:40pm

BOXSER wrote: »

Hi to all , anyone having any probs with AERTV, bad stream ,connection failure, and also does the Rte player stream all programes live as in the day to day listings ?

RTÉ, TV3 and TG4 provide a limited live online service. RTÉ have a few imports on their live service and sports and commissions, TV3 seem to have nothing but TV3 productions (Ireland AM, News, VB), while TG4 have sports and their commissioned shows (no imports).

RTÉ and TG4 block out their adverts due to rights issues, I don't know if TV3 do the same.

Any bad connections and streams I assume is down to your own ISP, unless AerTV are have problems allowing for high traffic numbers.

BOXSER · 29-02-2012 6:06pm

Many thanks ELMO for your reply, im in Russia at the moment and have been using a VPN to get a little bit of home, its just that when i try to connect to AERTV I get connection failed, trying to find out where the problem lies,

Aer TV

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