Tonight With Vincent Browne Thread v2.0

bluefinger · 24-02-2012 1:02am

tv3 would want to sort out their scheduling. it's awful

D1stant · 24-02-2012 1:09am

jimmyw wrote: »

I cant really take that Damien English fella seriously,(not I would anyway:)) with that accent of his:(.

This "pathways to work crap" is only fiddling the numbers, cause technically these people who train are not unemployed, but their not working either.

Damien English is like a guy from another era. He would have fitted right into the Dail in the 1950. But most TDs are like that. Bleating prat.

And if they were honest - the only pathway to work the government can possibly help with is free one way tickets out of here.

Einhard · 24-02-2012 4:37pm

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

English is a knob-head. The Government keep peddling this nonsense that unemployed people are scroungers and fraudsters. If they say it enough, then the public will start to believe it. At the height of the "Celtic Tiger" only 30,000 were long-term unemployed - evidence that the vast majority of people are not scroungers or fraudsters.

The government peddle that? News to me. I was on the dole for over a year and never felt that i was being targeted in such a fashion.

The fact that there were 30k long term unemployed on the dole at a time when jobs were plentiful, and we were appealing for workers from abroad to fill positions, is strongly indicative that there are quite a few scroungers and fraudsters on the dole. You seem to think that's ok. Perhaps you'd like to pay the share of my PRSI that goes to paying fraudulent claims so?

I think it's ludicrous that when the government takes entirely appropriate measures to tackle social welfare fraud, they are condemned by some people. This programme isn't an attack on those on the dole; it's an attack on those who play the system for their own advantage, and fraudulently collect money that could be better spent elsewhere. You seem to have no problem with that; I for one would rather it be spent on Special Needs Assistants in schools and the like. I doubt I'm alone in that regard either.

Harry Angstrom · 24-02-2012 7:53pm

Einhard wrote: »

The fact that there were 30k long term unemployed on the dole at a time when jobs were plentiful, and we were appealing for workers from abroad to fill positions, is strongly indicative that there are quite a few scroungers and fraudsters on the dole. You seem to think that's ok.

I wouldn't necessarily brand them as fraudsters or scroungers. Some of those 30,000 may have had literacy issues or mental health problems, such as anxiety or depression. There's a direct correlation between long-term unemployment and lack of education. I wouldn't be quick to label anybody without knowing their personal circumstances first.

Einhard · 24-02-2012 9:31pm

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

I wouldn't necessarily brand them as fraudsters or scroungers. Some of those 30,000 may have had literacy issues or mental health problems, such as anxiety or depression. There's a direct correlation between long-term unemployment and lack of education. I wouldn't be quick to label anybody without knowing their personal circumstances first.

I'm not labeling them all. Indeed, not even the majority. But, as you stated, there were 30k people on the dole at a time of full employment, when employers were screaming out for people. I know some people who are long term unemployed, and for some of them it's a lifestyle choice.

I just don't see what's wrong with targeting those who are gaming the system. If someone is legitimately collecting SW, they have absolutely nothing to hide.

Harry Angstrom · 25-02-2012 1:37am

Einhard wrote: »

I'm not labeling them all. Indeed, not even the majority. But, as you stated, there were 30k people on the dole at a time of full employment, when employers were screaming out for people. I know some people who are long term unemployed, and for some of them it's a lifestyle choice.

I just don't see what's wrong with targeting those who are gaming the system. If someone is legitimately collecting SW, they have absolutely nothing to hide.

During the "boom", I took part in a voluntary programme to help the longterm unemployed. Most of the people I met would have loved to be working but a lot of them had very poor literacy skills. A lot of them had low self-esteem issues as well and would not have fared well in a job-interview situation. Considering we had a huge workforce at the time, to have 30,000 long-term unemployed is a very low number in relative terms.

A few months ago, Joan Burton made a very sweeping statement about the dole being a lifestyle choice, which I found to be nonsensical and very offensive. The fact that there were only 30,000 longterm unemployed (many of whom had legitimate reasons for finding themselves in such an unfortunate situation) during the boom is proof that the dole is not a lifestyle choice for the vast majority of people who currently find themselves unemployed. Sure, you'll always find one or two people who are workshy but that's the case in practically every country and is in no way representative of the overwhelming majority. It seems to me that Labour are taking the 'divide and conquer' route when it comes to social welfare. Far better to have neighbour pitted against neighbour, instead of us being concerned about how the bankers, developers and politicians of this country brought us to our knees in the first place.

And yes, of course, if somebody is gaming the system they deserve to be targeted, but those people who are legitimately collecting social welfare should not be made to feel that they are scamming the system or that they have made a "lifestyle choice" for themselves.

Skid · 25-02-2012 1:07pm

In other news, Cassie Stokes left TV3 yesterday and is emigrating. So no more of her unique insights into NAMA

artful_codger · 25-02-2012 3:55pm

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

A lot of them had low self-esteem issues

and do you think that giving them 180 euros a week to sit at home (not including the myriad of other benefits they get) is going to improve their self esteem? If we reformed our system so these people have to go out and do community work it might improve their skills.

Elmo · 25-02-2012 5:03pm

artful_codger wrote: »

and do you think that giving them 180 euros a week to sit at home (not including the myriad of other benefits they get) is going to improve their self esteem? If we reformed our system so these people have to go out and do community work it might improve their skills.

Depends on what you call Long Term unemployed. There are a huge number of people who are just not employable. Many of these are the long-term unemployed of the Celtic Tiger years. Did we effectively help these people get out of their cycle probably not. However the currently long term unemployed just don't have jobs to go to.

The amount of money and perceived benefits that they get won't help them, but neither will taking such money away from them.

You know we should focus on those that have well very paid jobs and who do very little.

dublinman1990 · 28-02-2012 12:06am

Tonight's programme is on the euro crisis. Is anyone watching?

take everything · 28-02-2012 12:07am

Constantin, Peter Matthews, Laura Noonan and Michael Taft on tonight.
Jobs and Euro crisis.

dublinman1990 · 28-02-2012 12:09am

I hope now that someone's P60 doesnt come back as a error!

take everything · 28-02-2012 12:12am

Interesting piece by Matthews in the Sindo yesterday about not paying back a significant part of the debt.

hotmail.com · 28-02-2012 12:13am

Just switched on, I wonder will Vincent give Matthews a hard time about the rosary beeds! I just can't take him seriously after I heard about that.

Oscar Bravo · 28-02-2012 12:19am

Nice pop at Vincent's haircut!!

take everything · 28-02-2012 12:20am

Oscar Bravo wrote: »

Nice pop at Vincent's haircut!!

Vincent quick off the mark saying he got it from NAMA

JonathanAnon · 28-02-2012 12:22am

The IDA throw a load of concessions at these companies that they would NOT give to an indigenous company.. They give themselves a big pat on the back, and in a couple of years time when those companies p1ss off to Poland or China, the IDA are nowhere to be seen. Same as Dell, Gateway etc etc.

constitutionus · 28-02-2012 12:24am

i love when constantines on.

always worth listening to, and mathews on to boot.

least this shouldnt be a borefest.

and oh look, lauras on for the comedy value !

JonathanAnon · 28-02-2012 12:25am

constitutionus wrote: »

and oh look, lauras on for the comedy value !

She's got that blouse draped across her front very provocatively.. I'd say Father O'Malley is ringing TV3 at the moment to complain.

take everything · 28-02-2012 12:30am

I'm confused.

JonathanAnon · 28-02-2012 12:33am

Orla, Lorna.... jaysus it's like yer mother calling you in for the tea..

dublinman1990 · 28-02-2012 12:33am

Ah Lorna, Constantin is not a journalist that shells out 'opinions'. He is in fact an economist.

What a bad move there.

stackerman · 28-02-2012 12:35am

And that is why your money is being debased :mad:

JonathanAnon · 28-02-2012 12:35am

Is it just me or is there a sense that Peter has had enough of following the party line just for the sake of it, and has decided to throw off the shackles and put out a few of his honest opinions.

take everything · 28-02-2012 12:36am

JonathanAnon wrote: »

Is it just me or is there a sense that Peter has had enough of following the party line just for the sake of it, and has decided to throw off the shackles and put out a few of his honest opinions.

You have to admire his integrity.

JonathanAnon · 28-02-2012 12:37am

take everything wrote: »

You have to admire his integrity.

And fair play to TV3 for biting the bullet and investing in that second camera.

bluefinger · 28-02-2012 12:40am

i always thought they just used camera phones. :rolleyes:

stackerman · 28-02-2012 12:46am

Does the Dail not do refills ?
Out side of the banking refills of coarse

Leo Dowling · 28-02-2012 12:46am

And on the Sun "Inkjet O'Snodaigh"

JonathanAnon · 28-02-2012 12:46am

Will somebody ever tell O'Snodaigh that you can get those cartridges refilled.. :pac:

dublinman1990 · 28-02-2012 12:50am

Why was Aengus O'Snodiagh from SF using all those ink cartridges for?

This is only being mentioned now in 2012? 5 years on?

Holy Sweet Lord, Have all TD's gone this bad?

Lapin · 28-02-2012 12:50am

How the hell do you go through 50k worth of ink carts anyway ?

He must have been giving them away to his mates.

JonathanAnon · 28-02-2012 12:52am

Lapin wrote: »

How the hell do you go through 50k worth of ink carts anyway ? He must have been giving them away to his mates.

In fairness to O'Snódaigh, he thought they were cartridges for a Kalashnikov, not an Epson rx300.

Good loser · 28-02-2012 12:53am

Don't believe in Matthew's thesis.

Appears to think if we 'explain' our problems 'patiently' to ECB they will come 'on board' and write off €30 bn or €50 bn.!

If that works why not go all the way and write off the €180 bn or whatever it is we owe?

Judgement Day · 28-02-2012 12:54am

All the ****ing cnts are the same once they get their noses in the trough. Think FF were bad wait till the Shinners get into power. :rolleyes:

take everything · 28-02-2012 12:54am

Someone over on Politics.ie suggested SF have just started printing their own notes with those ink cartridges.

take everything · 28-02-2012 12:57am

"The big tweet machine in Canada".
Vinny ya big eejit

JonathanAnon · 28-02-2012 12:57am

"They have a bigger tweet machine in Toronto.." lol

I think they should read out the funniest tweets every night, would be a better way to end the show, and might leave people a bit happier.

Lapin · 28-02-2012 12:58am

Thats some fit of the giggles Laura has.

I'd love to take her down to my local pub.

3 minutes in that place would have her in stitches !

mrkr · 28-02-2012 12:59am

Leo Dowling wrote: »

And on the Sun "Inkjet O'Snodaigh"

"Inkjet", I like that.

Lapin · 28-02-2012 1:10am

Why did Vinnie say that it was impressive of Murdoch's operation to produce the Sun on Sunday in less than a week ?

Surely a replacement for the NOTW has been in the offing from News International for some time now ?

JonathanAnon · 28-02-2012 1:17am

Lapin wrote: »

Surely a replacement for the NOTW has been in the offing from News International for some time now ?

tbh, I thought the whole thing was a fairly cynical avoidance of having to be accountable for any of NOTW's nefarious antics in the past..

woodoo · 29-02-2012 12:17am

Vinnie is vibrating out of his chair he is so pumped up tonight.

RossieGooner · 29-02-2012 12:23am

She's not very good at arguing her points. Or single point that should be,,,,,

JonathanAnon · 29-02-2012 12:23am

Coppinger really out of her depth here...

RossieGooner · 29-02-2012 12:25am

Big time, JA

Lapin · 29-02-2012 12:25am

Just tuned in.

Decided to give Craig Doyle a chance over on RTÉ 2.
(Won't be doing that again in a hurry).

Is Vinnie on form tonight ? Last nights show was very entertaining towards the end !

tayto lover · 29-02-2012 12:27am

JonathanAnon wrote: »

Coppinger really out of her depth here...

Just switched over to V.B.
Who is she ?

dublinman1990 · 29-02-2012 12:27am

Only tuned in after Crimecall. Interesting show on this channel tonight.

vicwatson · 29-02-2012 12:28am

WTF is with that guys hair/mop? ( and I'm not refering to VB;))

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