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South East Employment Action Plan

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  • #102
    thomasm
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    300 jobs to be announced on Limerick at 11am in a company that already employs 300. Pity we have no locally based companies with those prospects


  • #103
    fricatus
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    Sully wrote: »
    IIRC, EA Games are already operating in Galway and are just expanding their operations. Bit different to simply deciding to locate to Galway and snubbing Waterford.

    Yeah, because that's only what happened last year, so it doesn't matter any more... :confused:

    Sorry for the sarcasm Sully, but 1,300 jobs for Galway in the past year and an "action plan" for Waterford? This is shameful. :mad:


  • #104
    BBM77
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    No worries, Waterford will show them big time in the next general election and elect 2 or 3 government party TD’s.:confused::mad:


  • #105
    fricatus
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    thomasm wrote: »
    300 jobs to be announced on Limerick at 11am in a company that already employs 300. Pity we have no locally based companies with those prospects

    Pity indeed... but at least it's in Limerick, the only city in Ireland doing worse than Waterford on the unemployment front. Well done to them! - hopefully our turn comes soon...


  • #106
    hardybuck
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    People must also take into account that an announcement for 300 jobs does not mean the arrival of 300 jobs.

    What the above would typically mean is potentially up to 300 jobs in four or five years time if the investment works out. When applying for grant aid from the IDA they will pitch the business proposal in this way, but often this figure never fully materialises.

    Secondly, as mentioned here already, it is far more likely to gain extra jobs announcements via expansions of existing companies than the arrival of new ones. New companies have tended to be in the area of IT in particular, an area where Dublin is fast becoming an excellence centre.

    Unless the likes of Bausch & Lomb, Honeywell or Genzyme make announcements on expansion, Waterford won't be seeing too much activity. You might see something from Glanbia, we might be better off trying to attract more investment in food and agriculture in the future.


  • #107
    thomasm
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    Speaking of Glanbia

    http://www.munster-express.ie/front-page-news/general-stories/100-glanbia-jobs-for-ferrybank/

    http://planning.kilkennycoco.ie/FileRefDetails.aspx?file_number=12324&LASiteID=0

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/business/glanbia-targets-milk-expansion-198823.html

    Looks like it will be a massive facility and provide 100 jobs on completion plus 400 during construction, in south Kilkenny but will be jobs for Waterford people


  • #108
    fricatus
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    Very topical piece of satire... :D


  • #109
    Psychedelic
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    900 jobs announced for Naas today for a new Kerry Group food research centre:
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1009/kerry-group-kildare.html
    He (Kerry Group Chief Executive Stan McCarthy) also said that the Kerry Group looked at others locations for the business including the UK and Europe, however he said once all the business considerations were made, it was clear that Naas was the best option.

    The excuse of "we can't force foreign companies to locate in Waterford or the South East" might pass for the IDA, but it's hard to accept that the Government cannot influence an indigenous company to locate in the South East, especially when they have claimed to prioritise the South East.

    There could be very valid reasons why the Naas site was chosen, but from what I can tell from the press release is that they are just building from scratch on a greenfield site. There is a 64 acre site at Kilmeaden Fields (www.kilmeadenfields.com) that could have been suitable.

    Once of the points of this SE Employment Action Plan was to ensure government agencies like Enterprise Ireland and the IDA work together to try get jobs into the region. Only Eishtec have announced jobs, and they were already located here and were already planning to increase their workforce so the government can't take any credit for that.


  • #110
    road_high
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    Psychedelic wrote: »
    900 jobs announced for Naas today for a new Kerry Group food research centre:
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/1009/kerry-group-kildare.html



    The excuse of "we can't force foreign companies to locate in Waterford or the South East" might pass for the IDA, but it's hard to accept that the Government cannot influence an indigenous company to locate in the South East, especially when they have claimed to prioritise the South East.
    There could be very valid reasons why the Naas site was chosen, but from what I can tell from the press release is that they are just building from scratch on a greenfield site. There is a 64 acre site at Kilmeaden Fields (www.kilmeadenfields.com) that could have been suitable.

    Once of the points of this SE Employment Action Plan was to ensure government agencies like Enterprise Ireland and the IDA work together to try get jobs into the region. Only Eishtec have announced jobs, and they were already located here and were already planning to increase their workforce so the government can't take any credit for that.

    Kerry Group I think wouldn't consider Waterford for this over and above where they have choosen...Why would they? They want/need to be near a major airport and close to the capital city. At least Naas is within commuting distance for part of this region. Which is fantastic.
    Naas is a great location and very central to everywhere. In fact, company I work with were going to put their office there so I can see why Kerry choose it. Access and airports are really big factors and cannot be underestimated. It's a huge Achilles heal for the South East and Waterford specifically. Especially if you comapre with say Cork city.

    If anything, I think the people of Co. Kerry where the co HQ is based would feel a little hard done by their county wasn't chosen.
    Kerry Foods have no real presence in the south east (apart from their meat plant). It wouldn't make sense with Glanbia on their doorstep.

    People can't constantly say the govt should do this/that/the other. Kerry Foods are a private company and entiltled to choose wherever they see fit and best matches their business and work for them.
    It's up to respective counties/regions to promote what they have to offer business.
    I'm sure there are lots of good reasons to locate in Waterford and these need to be pushed more rather than lamenting about other areas getting investments.


  • #111
    Psychedelic
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    I would agree with some of what you say, and like you said there's probably very good reasons why Naas was chosen.

    But what's so important about the proximity of a major airport? The distance from Nass-Dublin and Waterford-Cork is not that much different. And they are an Irish company after all, so it's not like they'll have loads of US executives travelling here who demand a short travel time from the airport to the business premises.

    Why is proximity to Dublin City so important, will the employees need to be travelling there on a regular basis, or is the other way around, that the employees they hope to hire will be commuting from Dublin?

    I know they are a private company and it's up to Waterford to promote better what it can offer, but the Government and its departments are supposed to be helping us in direct response to the closure of Talk Talk and us having the highest unemployment rate in the country.


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  • #112
    fricatus
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    Psychedelic wrote: »
    But what's so important about the proximity of a major airport? The distance from Nass-Dublin and Waterford-Cork is not that much different. And they are an Irish company after all, so it's not like they'll have loads of US executives travelling here who demand a short travel time from the airport to the business premises.

    In this instance I understand it's a major factor (one of the Kerry Group execs was on the radio yesterday - Matt Cooper's show I think).

    This centre will be doing a lot of work with customers and suppliers from all over the world, and somewhere near Dublin was the only option in this country - otherwise it would have been somewhere in England.

    Indeed at one point the presenter asked whether somewhere near Shannon would have made sense, and the exec said that Shannon doesn't have the range of destinations that would be needed to swing their decision.


  • #113
    road_high
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    Yes, bringing in clients form abroad, it's important to be fairly near an airport, an hour or so is what we would have. It is a big deal to be considered. After that it becomes a hard sell

    Big big difference betweeen Naas and Dublin and Cork Waterford in terms of distance and even road quality.

    it does help to be nearer Dublin. In terms of access as we discuused and access to a huge pool of labour and services/suppliers. Critical mass I think is what they call it.
    But there's pluses and minuses to every location. Waterford has improved immensely in terms of road access. I dunno, but I'm not sure if that one is being pushed enough down there??
    When I'm talking to Dubs I've often heard them mention "how great the road to Galway is now and how great it is...". Waterford is a nice bit nearer and TOLL FREE. Not sure how aware people "up the country" are of this fact. have read it a few times in media as well.


  • #114
    Sully
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    I would assume the quality of the Airport also. Just because Cork has an Airport doesn't mean its the answer. Maybe Cork doesn't offer flights to the destinations required? Please, don't suggest they should fly Cork - Dublin and then onto their chosen destination just so they can setup in Waterford.


  • #115
    fricatus
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    Sully wrote: »
    I would assume the quality of the Airport also. Just because Cork has an Airport doesn't mean its the answer. Maybe Cork doesn't offer flights to the destinations required? Please, don't suggest they should fly Cork - Dublin and then onto their chosen destination just so they can setup in Waterford.

    Certainly an airport with the sort of destinations that Cork has is better than what we have in Waterford or no airport at all, but I've often heard them complain in Cork that they're missing out on this investment or that investment because they didn't have transatlantic access.

    TBH though, Cork and its region (half a million people) is not really big enough to justify much in the way of transatlantic access. Even in the much bigger UK, there is very little in the way of transatlantic flights from Glasgow, Manchester and Birmingham, despite each of those cities having the same population catchment as all of Ireland! Most transatlantic flights to and from the UK go via Heathrow.


  • #116
    SubBusted
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    Is there black gold offshore?


  • #117
    AdMMM
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    800 jobs to be announced in my office today. Government will try and claim the credit for it but our PR explicitly states that no government support or investment was needed :)


  • #118
    O Riain
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    AdMMM wrote: »
    800 jobs to be announced in my office today. Government will try and claim the credit for it but our PR explicitly states that no government support or investment was needed :)

    What for Waterford???


  • #119
    AdMMM
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    My apologies, Dublin. Must get around to changing my Location but it'll be a sad day when I do :/


  • #120
    south
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    Paddy power?


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  • #121
    Sully
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    Spotted this on Facebook re: IDA. Don't know the details but it was part of a response given by Paudie Coffey TD to what the government (this government that is) have invested in for Waterford and he said in relation to the IDA/Jobs;
    increased visits of IDA in 9 months by 100% compared to previous year - this will result in jobs and I agree can't come soon enough - city was v dependent on manufacturing and construction & with both gone is really struggling so we need to rebuild and attract new industries


  • #122
    Sully
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    AdMMM wrote: »
    800 jobs to be announced in my office today. Government will try and claim the credit for it but our PR explicitly states that no government support or investment was needed :)

    600 jobs Adam. :P Why didn't they locate to Waterford?! No doubt someone will be along shortly to ask this question, but ill ask anyway before them!


  • #123
    AdMMM
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    180 of the positions already filled :). The big building with tonnes of space that we just moved into 7 months a go probably would have one of the reasons why. Speaking of which, if there was a similar size company looking to move to Waterford, there's no office space available of significant size. Would I be right in saying that Government Buildings on the Glen would be the biggest modern office complex in the City... with the other Government Buildings opposite Morriss' being close behind?


  • #124
    thomasm
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    Another 47 Jobs in Galway

    http://www.siliconrepublic.com/careers/item/29871-30-jobs-for-galway-as/

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/pharmacy-chain-boots-in-cork-and-galway-jobs-announcement-571652.html

    They just keep getting them


  • #125
    Sully
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    thomasm wrote: »
    Another 47 Jobs in Galway

    http://www.siliconrepublic.com/careers/item/29871-30-jobs-for-galway-as/

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/pharmacy-chain-boots-in-cork-and-galway-jobs-announcement-571652.html

    They just keep getting them

    Existing company for the first phone, so it doesn't really count.

    We have a Boots already in Waterford, a few IIRC.


  • #126
    thomasm
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    Sully wrote: »
    Existing company for the first phone, so it doesn't really count.

    We have a Boots already in Waterford, a few IIRC.

    Not how I look at it, comapny was only set up in 2010 and are taking on more people. What moved it to open in Galway first.

    As for Boots, mayby more stores would open here or more staff would be hired in the existing one(s) if the above jobs or some of the thousands that have gone to Galway in the last few years came here and increased demand


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  • #127
    Sully
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    thomasm wrote: »
    Not how I look at it, comapny was only set up in 2010 and are taking on more people. What moved it to open in Galway first.

    No idea, I don't know the details but I just thought it was unfair to knock the jobs announcement and complain that it should be in Waterford when it was a company expansion which would of course stay in Galway.
    As for Boots, mayby more stores would open here or more staff would be hired in the existing one(s) if the above jobs or some of the thousands that have gone to Galway in the last few years came here and increased demand

    Boots have/are taking on Christmas Staff but they have a few stores already in Waterford. They wont open up stores just to create jobs - if there is demand, they will open.

    Anyway, I think jobs were announced in Cork today. New Call Center business, stepping into fit for purpose buildings. Now there would be a question to ask; Why not Waterford? We have had and do have call centers here. :)


  • #128
    7upfree
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    Sully wrote: »
    Now there would be a question to ask; Why not Waterford?

    I'm sure the European of the year could answer evade that question.


  • #129
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    fricatus wrote: »
    For God's sake if they can get HP and Cisco to locate in Galway, why the hell can't they get companies of similar calibre to locate here? What differentiates the two areas? I suspect that the answer is very simple in this case, and it's a ten-letter word beginning with U. But if that's what it is, then Barry O'Leary should come out and say it, rather than hiding behind vague excuses.
    I realise the post I am responding to is a bit old but here is a bit of the history.

    HP is descended from Digital in Galway.

    Digital started straightforward assembly line work in Galway in the early 70s. Over time they added extra jobs and higher value work. When the assembly line was closed in the early 90's (a horrible time for Galway) the software work was kept. Digital was taken over by Compac who in turn were taken over by HP.

    Northern Telecom (Nortel) set up in Digital's original IDA unit in the mid 70s assembling telephone handsets. Similarily they added higher value work over time and when the assembly line was axed when the dot com bubble burst the software and associated work was kept. The IDA had been trying to attract Cisco to Ireland for years but it was a man from Nortel who had transferred to California and moved jobs to Cisco who brought Cisco to Galway.

    Following from the shutdown of the Digital assembly line Boston Scientific eventually moved into their old building in the mid 90s and along with a couple of other companies created a biomedical device industry.

    From memory GMIT was quicker off the mark with biomedical courses than the university but the university is important.

    Galway didn't have any industry to speak of before the 60s.


  • #130
    fricatus
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    Here we go again... 300 new jobs for Dublin and Galway


  • #131
    mike65
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    Will this thread never die!? :pac:


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  • #132
    fricatus
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    mike65 wrote: »
    Will this thread never die!? :pac:

    Not as long as there are job announcements seemingly like clockwork going to Galway, and nothing at all coming here. :mad:

    And certainly not while fricatus is on de net!!! :D


  • #133
    thomasm
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    thomasm wrote: »
    This is the results of a google search of job announcments in Galway for this year

    115 in Cisco
    220 in Mylan
    200 in Merit Medical
    37 in Copperfasten
    150 in HP
    220 in Aviva
    15 in Grant Thornton
    300 in EA Games

    1257 so far with a quick search and throw in the knock on employment that will create also. Great there are jobs being created but it seems loaded in one counties favour

    The List Grows........Up to nearly 1500 now

    115 in Cisco
    220 in Mylan
    200 in Merit Medical
    37 in Copperfasten
    150 in HP
    220 in Aviva
    15 in Grant Thornton
    300 in EA Games
    30 in Synchronoss
    27 in boots
    300 Between Dublin and Galway with fidelity investments and swerve(assuming 50/50 split as I can find out any different)


  • #134
    hardybuck
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    fricatus wrote: »
    Not as long as there are job announcements seemingly like clockwork going to Galway, and nothing at all coming here. :mad:

    And certainly not while fricatus is on de net!!! :D

    It seems like Galway is a more attractive location for companies to locate initially, and they seem to be offering the correct supports and services for those which have located there to expand.

    If places like Waterford and Limerick are to recover, the likes of the IDA, Enterprise Ireland, Chamber of Commerce etc. should be identifying a strategic plan for the two locations, and possibly targeting specific areas for growth.

    In Waterford's case, the city was obviously a manufacturing hub. Those days now look to be gone, perhaps Agriculture might be a potential area for the future.

    It seems like there are a lot of interested citizens here, so to supplement whatever work is going on among the state bodies, how about drawing up a list of supports and facilities that the city would require if it were to become a attractive location again, and a plan of how to go about achieving these goals? You may be able to form a lobby group and get some movement among the political representatives.

    At the moment Waterford appears to be reeling a bit, and making a decent bit of noise. If this isn't supplemented with suggestions and proactive solutions offered I wonder will people here just be viewed as moaners?


  • #135
    fricatus
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    hardybuck wrote: »
    It seems like Galway is a more attractive location for companies to locate initially, and they seem to be offering the correct supports and services for those which have located there to expand.

    I've asked the question a number of times in this forum, and the answer that it seems keeps on coming back in flashing neon letters is U-N-I-V-E-R-S-I-T-Y! :D

    Another inducement is that because Galway is in the supposedly poor BMW* region, businesses there can get some sort of capital or employment grant, which is not available in Waterford (since we're in a "richer" region).

    hardybuck wrote: »
    At the moment Waterford appears to be reeling a bit, and making a decent bit of noise. If this isn't supplemented with suggestions and proactive solutions offered I wonder will people here just be viewed as moaners?

    The proactive solution is the same one that has been around for 40 years now: create a university in Waterford so as to bring us in line with the other cities, and rebalance the huge Dublin bias in the higher education sector.

    Another solution would be for the south-east to look for preferential treatment when it comes to employment supports and capital grants for industry. Dunno how easy this would be under EU rules, but at this stage we're definitely a disadvantaged region!

    * What fool came up with this name by the way? Could they have picked a less apt name for a supposedly "poorer" region? If they had thought for a second, they could have called it "MBW" and got rid of the car-brand confusion!


  • #136
    Psychedelic
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    Here is a real Action Plan that the Government has the power to implement. Yes, this would all cost millions but if they are serious about helping the South East then they need to start putting their money where their mouth is.

    1. Create the Technological University immediately - no more reports or delays
    2. Provide funding for the airport runway extension
    3. Create special incentives for businesses to locate in the South East
    4. Don't break up the South East Hospital network
    5. Construct new office building(s) suitable for major companies


  • #137
    hardybuck
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    Psychedelic wrote: »
    Here is a real Action Plan that the Government has the power to implement. Yes, this would all cost millions but if they are serious about helping the South East then they need to start putting their money where their mouth is.

    1. Create the Technological University immediately - no more reports or delays
    2. Provide funding for the airport runway extension
    3. Create special incentives for businesses to locate in the South East
    4. Don't break up the South East Hospital network
    5. Construct new office building(s) suitable for major companies

    Regarding a run way extension - I don't see what the big problem is holding it back. We'd have no problem lashing out on road improvements - I'm sure it's not as easy as just laying tarmac, but it still should be very achievable. What would it cost - €10m?

    On office space - I think that the IDA are advertising existing space, and are mentioning sites which have planning permission here http://www.idaireland.com/locations/regions-of-ireland/south-east/. It's a dangerous game building them before they come - I think you'd want to stay away from that if possible.

    Regarding a technical university - I'm not sure how quick a process this is, I'm sure others will be well able to chip in. Before they do that, an industry sector should be targeted first, and then set out the necessary skills which companies in this sector would require.


  • #138
    fricatus
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    hardybuck wrote: »
    Regarding a run way extension - I don't see what the big problem is holding it back. We'd have no problem lashing out on road improvements - I'm sure it's not as easy as just laying tarmac, but it still should be very achievable. What would it cost - €10m?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=81624734&postcount=97


  • #139
    hardybuck
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    fricatus wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=81624734&postcount=97

    An estimated cost of €27.5m in 2007 would surely have fallen quite a bit in 2012. Also, the outer ring road was built for €37m in 2005, so we've no problem on finding money for roads.


  • #140
    Sully
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    We get a fair chunk of infrastructure funding including support for the airport but there appears to be planning issues with the runway due to land ownership.


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