Over the next few years will everyone in Ireland under 30 have a degree.

mariaalice · 30-08-2011 9:05am #1

Just wondering because my daughters and all her friends and acquittance's are going to college, no one appeared to be going in to any sort of training or getting a job and even those of her friends who did apprenticeships are going to college to top up their qualification to a degree.

So I predict that by say 2040 everybody under 30 in Ireland will have been to college. ( changed it a bit )

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Is that a good Idea and will it save Ireland

listermint · 30-08-2011 9:06am

You dont have a Degree?

EWE

py2006 · 30-08-2011 9:06am

I only just got mine and I am just over 30!

Pherekydes · 30-08-2011 9:10am

My sister-in-law's kids won't be getting degrees, and they'll still be under 30 in 2020.

Unless they buy them on the internet. :pac:

Frank Black · 30-08-2011 9:15am

mariaalice wrote: »

Just wondering because my daughters and all her friends and acquittance's are going to college, no one appeared to be going in to any sort of training or getting a job and even those of her friends who did apprenticeships are going to college to top up there qualification to a degree.

So I predict that by say 2020 everybody under 30 in Ireland will have been to college.

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Is that a good Idea and will it save Ireland

Extrapolating from a small set of data (i.e my daughters and all her friends and acquittance's) to come to a conclusion on an entire generation of under 30's does not stand up to any scrutiny.

In other words your 'prediction' is almost certainly incorrect.

Dancor · 30-08-2011 9:15am

Art degrees dont count

Pherekydes · 30-08-2011 9:17am

Dancor wrote: »

Art degrees dont count

What about Arts degrees?

themadchef · 30-08-2011 9:17am

Will there be anyone under 30 left in the country is probably a more relevant question.

We will educate them but we wont be able to employ them.

FatherLen · 30-08-2011 9:21am

acquaintances????

sealgaire · 30-08-2011 9:24am

Pherekydes wrote: »

My sister-in-law's kids won't be getting degrees, and they'll still be under 30 in 2020.

Unless they buy them on the internet. :pac:

Why not just say your brothers kids? or your neices & Nephews? Trying to distance yourself from these undesirables?

I Heart Internet · 30-08-2011 9:25am

Short answer - no.

As someone says above, you're basing your idea on a small sample. There arestill plenty of areas in the country where going to third level is the exception rather than the rule.

Also "degree" is a very generic term. Will there be a degree in housepainting, plumbing, professional golf?

jester77 · 30-08-2011 9:26am

mariaalice wrote: »

So I predict that by say 2040 everybody under 30 in Ireland will have been to college.

I doubt it, really can't imagine 4 year olds having a degree

mariaalice · 30-08-2011 9:28am

And another thing! all her female friend are doing an Arts type degree or a fine Art/design type course, all her male friends are doing engineering/ computers/ science type courses.

Pherekydes · 30-08-2011 9:29am

sealgaire wrote: »

Why not just say your brothers kids? or your neices & Nephews? Trying to distance yourself from these undesirables?

If they were my brother's kids I'd say my nephews and neices, but they're my wife's sister's kids.

Yes. :pac:

Prospective Employer: How do you feel you're qualified for this job?
Nephew-in-law: I got a 'A' in LC maths.
Employer: But it was at foundation level...

mariaalice · 30-08-2011 9:35am

My post was a bit tongue in cheek ( this is After hours )

orourkeda · 30-08-2011 9:48am

Its a pity they wont have a job to match

Frank Black · 30-08-2011 10:03am

I for one think it’s very important that although money is tight, we still keep investment in our children’s education as a priority. This will make it easier for them to find work abroad when they emigrate.

WindSock · 30-08-2011 10:11am

No, there are a massive amount of people who can barely do the l.c., let alone go to and finish college. Look at the literacy rates for example.

4zn76tysfajdxp · 30-08-2011 10:15am

WindSock wrote: »

No, there are a massive amount of people who can barely do the l.c., let alone go to and finish college. Look at the literacy rates for example.

I can't.

Kur4mA · 30-08-2011 10:15am

WindSock wrote: »

No, there are a massive amount of people who can barely do the l.c., let alone go to and finish college. Look at the literacy rates for example.

This, plus the underprivileged, the addicts and the homeless = this thread is pretty ignorant.

Hank_Jones · 30-08-2011 10:24am

Pherekydes wrote: »

My sister-in-law's kids won't be getting degrees, and they'll still be under 30 in 2020.

Unless they buy them on the internet. :pac:

Can I have a look into your magic ball please?

The future is not written, maybe they will leave jobs and return to education.
a large number of people realise what they really want to do as they get older.

Pherekydes · 30-08-2011 10:29am

Hank_Jones wrote: »

Can I have a look into your magic ball please?

Pfft, you didn't ask to see the OP's.

mariaalice · 30-08-2011 10:29am

OMG I am going to behave like a teenager now!!!!!:rolleyes: this thread is partly a joke!!! ( with a slightly serious point thrown in )

The King of Moo · 30-08-2011 10:30am

No, not everyone will have one, for the reasons outlined above.

They will become much more common though, as so many employers already use degrees as shorthand for gauging a lot about prospective employees, and it's more difficult to gain employment in lots of areas without a degree.

In our parents' generation (well, my parents) a degree wasn't so common, and just passing an Arts Degree could see you well pretty well set up.

Now qualifications are much more important, you'll see more people getting degrees and thus making having one less of a status symbol. Arguably we're already there. Look at the public perception of an Arts Degree (not counting those like myself who get one and go on to do masters etc). Sure, it's better to have one than not at all, but not by much. I'm one of the first people to get bored with tired old Arts Degree jokes, but it is pretty easy to get one, judging by the number of people in my year who graduated without doing a tap of work.

So yeah, more people will have a degree in the future, but not everyone as not everyone will need or want one. And the fact that they'll be more common means they'll be less valuable. Even now, you're probably better off with a good trade than an Arts degree with no further qualifications.

minidazzler · 30-08-2011 10:32am

mariaalice wrote: »

And another thing! all her female friend are doing an Arts type degree or a fine Art/design type course, all her male friends are doing engineering/ computers/ science type courses.

And that's because only like 3 of them know what they want to do with their lives. The rest are fooling themselves to think they know what they want to do. Just like I did, just like everyone does. But the fact is, most are gonna end up as office drones.

Sleepy · 30-08-2011 10:34am

mariaalice wrote: »

And another thing! all her female friend are doing an Arts type degree or a fine Art/design type course, all her male friends are doing engineering/ computers/ science type courses.

I hope the girls are good-looking or doing languages in those Arts courses...

otherwise they'll be rather over-qualified on the dole queue!

IamtheWalrus · 30-08-2011 10:39am

Careful discussing degrees round these here parts.

bnt · 30-08-2011 10:46am

Well, what do you expect when there are no "entry level" jobs left? To apply for a job in a bar today, you need to have 2 years experience working in a bar. (Look at the ads on jobs.ie to see what I mean.) How do you get that experience? The bar owner doesn't care, since he can always get someone with 2 years experience. The job doesn't require two years experience: it's just a way of reducing the number of people applying for every job posted.

Apprenticeships? Good luck with that. There aren't many of them around, and competition is fierce. What's left for someone leaving school? University or Emigration.

The J Stands for Jay · 30-08-2011 11:02am

WindSock wrote: »

No, there are a massive amount of people who can barely do the l.c., let alone go to and finish college. Look at the literacy rates for example.

There's loads of thickos that won't get degrees.

The King of Moo · 30-08-2011 11:08am

McGaggs wrote: »

There's loads of thickos that won't get degrees.

And I know loads of thickos who already have degrees.

Not having a degree doesn't make you thick.

30-08-2011 11:10am

mariaalice wrote: »

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So I predict that by say 2040 everybody under 30 in Ireland will have been to college. ( changed it a bit )

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Is that a good Idea and will it save Ireland

Plenty of folk will never get a degree, a good percentage of people fail the LC miserably.

cena · 30-08-2011 10:04pm

I would love too go too college. But its just chossing the right course for me. I don't know what I want too do.

kowloon · 30-08-2011 10:38pm

Too many people, not enough jobs. The machines are taking over. We must cast our clogs into the cogs. Rebuild Ireland as a peaceful agrarian society free of the oppression of modern dentistry.

criticalcritic · 30-08-2011 10:45pm

Im someone that never went college, left.school at 16,
In my late teens/early twenties I was always depressed that everyone went school with was off college ending up.with degrees

Now most these.lads and ladies are standing beside me in dole queue
So their degrees areant worth ****

steve9859 · 30-08-2011 10:50pm

criticalcritic wrote: »

Now most these.lads and ladies are standing beside me in dole queue
So their degrees areant worth ****

But they probably had more sex

7sr2z3fely84g5 · 30-08-2011 10:52pm

i think at the end of the day its down to who you know,the jobs race is getting harder,degrees are cancelled out with diplomas,diplomas cancelled out with doctorates and so forth.

Then you have some big corporate company on the tv saying those who apply for the jobs don't have experience despite the education,which makes me wonder why don't they least give them a start somewhere?.

mikemac · 30-08-2011 10:57pm

Sure you need to go to agricultural college these days for farming

Learn how to farm out of a book.

Saila · 30-08-2011 10:59pm

a degree is to out do the competition, if everyone has one then they turn into tokens off cereal boxes, nice to have but it doesnt really matter that much at all

degrees, safe as houses.

Outkast_IRE · 30-08-2011 11:01pm

Maybe it would be better to get people some experience early on in college or before it to help them see what industries are really like.

I finished a plumbing apprenticeship last janurary and am leaving full time work to go back to college and get a degree in a related field Building services eng.
2 of my friends are similarily full time employed and going back to full time eduacation . Why?

Because with the experience of a fully served apprenticeship combined with a degree is a very appealing prospect to employers.

construction and trades are only going to get worse employment and prospects wise so its better to get back to education now rather than going on the dole soon

Cat Melodeon · 30-08-2011 11:29pm

There are quite a few 'higher ups' within the universities concerned about falling standards and calling for a minimum CAO score of 345 points to be imposed on any entrants to degree courses in the future. Seeing as the average LC student gets a score of 305, that would suggest that, under such a system, most students would not be able to progress to degree level, at least not directly. There probably would have to be expansion of alternative routes into HigherEd though, such as the FETAC/Links schemes and progress from Cert/Dip courses on to ordinary and honours degrees. People might actually benefit from such a plan - the drop out rates are way too high and very wasteful of public funds. The HEA did a study a couple of years back which showed a strong link between lower LC grades and dropout rates. Not everyone is ready for college straight after school; some people are just plain unsuited to it at any stage of their life. I wasn't able for college first time round, but did damn well when I went back in my late 20s. So no, I don't think even close to half of any particular age cohort will have degrees before they're 30, at any point in the future.

kowloon · 30-08-2011 11:41pm

The points system fails miserably, it works well for the all rounders or those suited to school learning but fails the student with an aptitude for a particular area miserably. Much prefer the UK system where the general education stops at GCSE level and a student can focus on what they actually want to do.

Ben Moore · 30-08-2011 11:47pm

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Short answer - no.

As someone says above, you're basing your idea on a small sample. There arestill plenty of areas in the country where going to third level is the exception rather than the rule.

Also "degree" is a very generic term. Will there be a degree in housepainting, plumbing, professional golf?

By that stage any degree will do to clean the toilets because that's what some people will have to do to pay off the debts our country left them

In saying that any degree is proof to a potential employer that they are disciplined enough to be awarded one and therefore will help you get a job.

Barrt2 · 30-08-2011 11:49pm

by 2030 it will cost (supposedly) 54000 grand for each kid for each year in college so nope no one will have degrees:L

Bride2012 · 31-08-2011 12:33am

kowloon wrote: »

The points system fails miserably, it works well for the all rounders or those suited to school learning but fails the student with an aptitude for a particular area miserably. Much prefer the UK system where the general education stops at GCSE level and a student can focus on what they actually want to do.

It's hard enough to pick a specialty at 18 so what hope have 15 year olds in knowing what they want to do?

Sticjones · 31-08-2011 12:52am

criticalcritic wrote: »

Im someone that never went college, left.school at 16,
In my late teens/early twenties I was always depressed that everyone went school with was off college ending up.with degrees

Now most these.lads and ladies are standing beside me in dole queue
So their degrees areant worth ****

That's strange, everyone who graduated from my course is working now. What did they study in college?

criticalcritic · 31-08-2011 2:38pm

steve9859 wrote: »

criticalcritic wrote: »

Now most these.lads and ladies are standing beside me in dole queue
So their degrees areant worth ****

But they probably had more sex

Nah while they were bumming round in college, i was earning money, women prefer that

Plus ive two kids proving ive had sex at least twice

starlit · 31-08-2011 5:53pm

I'd imagine so that a lot of people will have more than just the Leaving Cert at least whether they all have a degree by then remains to be seen by that age. More than likely more people will have a Third Level Qualification anyway, not many will just leave school after the leaving cert like as they will just continue on with their education what ever level they do it be beyond the leaving cert at least.

The number of people going back to education or the number going into college now after the leaving is unreal, good sign for things to come for the economy at least!

DEFTLEFTHAND · 31-08-2011 6:01pm

Id doubt it really, college doesn't work out for everyone. Certain people are going to achieve in life regardless of whether they have a framed piece of paper hanging from their wall or not.

Over the next few years will everyone in Ireland under 30 have a degree.

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