donedeal at it again

smokin ace · 22-04-2011 1:51pm #1

hi lads and ladies i put an add on the famous done deal for a lurcher for sale here is the add http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/dogs/2094208 and i got an email off them saying the following
Hi,

My name is <snip> and I work for the website DoneDeal.ie. We have received a number of complaints from our users about your ad “lurcher” with specific reference to "has been worked under the spot twice". The ad implies that the dog could be used for killing other animals.

Many of our users feel that this type of activity can be cruel to the prey, the dog, or both. Therefore we have decided to remove your ad in line with our terms & conditions:
http://help.donedeal.ie/info/dog-policy

Please let me know if you have any questions.

All the best,

<snip>.

i had trouble with done deal a few months ago because they would not let me sell a lightforce lamp now they would let me sell a dog i am raging mad over this also i emailed them looking for the €3 back for the add but i got no reply yet

[edit]
Dav here folks, I was asked to removed the DoneDeal employee's personal name from this post - this is something we do if requested.

Shoot2kill · 22-04-2011 1:55pm

I dont get why people who find ads & contents of ads for working dogs offensive actually look at the ads!! It maddens me.... Then they go to the bother of complaining to donedeal........

GET A LIFE!!!!:mad:

Vegeta · 22-04-2011 2:04pm

Simple solution lads, don't give them your business and convince everyone you know to do the same.

It's quite a successful site so it probably wont hurt them financially but at least you'll have personal satisfaction about not supporting them directly

virminhunter · 22-04-2011 2:06pm

there has to be an anti somewhere high up in donedeal, nothing illegal about that ad, whether they agree with it or not, what if you put an ad for say 3/4 greyhound 1/4 collie, would that be removed or is it just the term "lurcher", your ad for a lamp being removed just takes the biscuit.

zlezlius · 22-04-2011 2:22pm

Was selling scope on donedeal, the add was removed next day, but email received with 3 euro voucher-next add free of charge. What's wrong with selling the scope any way???

poulo6.5 · 22-04-2011 2:28pm

I put an add for my springer pups last year and I got a similar email back saying my add was removed because I used the term "hard working"
As in "both parents are hard working honest dogs" and so on.
I made no reference to hunting or shooting in the add and listed field trial champions more than once.

I was livid and when I replied to the email I got no response.
The did however allow me to put in a different add just not allowed to say they were hard working dogs.

Crazy. But I think there is some nutter working in done deal doing this and not the general public.

virminhunter · 22-04-2011 2:33pm

they must have removed all the lurcher ads, I just did a search no results:mad: I searched a few weeks ago and there was loads of ads for pups etc.

smokin ace · 22-04-2011 2:33pm

i dont think donedeal realise how hunting is a way of life for many people also it keeps a lot of the young lads around the country out of trouble there is 5 or 6 good young lads in my area that spending there day or night hunting and that keeps them young lads from drinking taking drugs and getting up to no good and thats only a good thing as there is nothing for young people to do i many parts for this country if they are hunting there are being frowned upon and told its not right if they are drinking they will be know as trouble makers if they are sitting around the house doing nothing they are called lazy lumps so i dont know where it will stop

jimbrowning · 22-04-2011 4:55pm

so if its a golden retriver that works as a guide dog, can it be a good worker?
this is bull s##t. your perfectly entitled to advertise a working lurcher as a working lurcher cos thats what it is. ass holes. can no1 get talking to som 1 in the know at done deal?

bazza888 · 22-04-2011 5:10pm

no point complaining here about it,its wrong that they wont allow you sell the dog for what it was bred for,but last year there was a big thread here about it and someone from donedeal came on saying that its there position not to sell hunting related items,and then never replyed to anything else the guys asked her. Why doesnt everyone here go on donedeal send in complaints about any ad you find offensive and request it be removed?

bazza888 · 22-04-2011 5:31pm

funny the way you look in the horse section theres numberous ads with good hunter,hunted all over roscommon,etc theres even a section in horses called hunting,whats the difference between these ads and the dog ads?!just saw one there says hunting machine over the picture of the horse

virminhunter · 22-04-2011 5:36pm

bazza888 wrote: »

funny the way you look in the horse section theres numberous ads with good hunter,hunted all over roscommon,etc theres even a section in horses called hunting,whats the difference between these ads and the dog ads?!just saw one there says hunting machine over the picture of the horse

maybe the horse crowd would cause more uproar than us? are we easy to pick on?

bazza888 · 22-04-2011 5:46pm

what about the ads for parrots in small cages ads for fishing boats which advocate the killing of defenseless fish!seems like the only thing they have a problem with is hunting dogs and gear,its a rather selective moral highground they have

virminhunter · 22-04-2011 5:51pm

bazza888 wrote: »

what about the ads for parrots in small cages ads for fishing boats which advocate the killing of defenseless fish!seems like the only thing they have a problem with is hunting dogs and gear,its a rather selective moral highground they have

ya forgot cats, indecriminate killers, hundreds of thousands of them roaming free around the country doing what they like:D

newmug · 22-04-2011 5:58pm

Does anyone know a hunting / shooting sympathetic solicitor? It might be an idea to see if what they are doing is discriminatory or anti-competitive or illegal in some way.

bazza888 · 22-04-2011 6:04pm

i reported some other posts there and received a reply saying gundogs and retriever ads are not banned,i reported the hunting horse ads fishing and caged birds,i was asked how the horse may be mistreated during a hunt nothing about the poor fox:rolleyes:

landkeeper · 22-04-2011 6:10pm

why are ye all get hot and bothered it's a privately owned run and funded website they are entitled to do what they please if they want to pamper to the anti brigade let them there as was said earlier a long thread last year about it donna came on from donedeal and listened to what was said went away came back and said they wouldn't change the policy of the website
end of
some folk do find hunting with lurchers /terriers distatefull but that's their opinion the same as we have ours
doctors differ and patients die get over it

bazza888 · 22-04-2011 6:14pm

not asking them to change there policy asking them to have a fair policy,id never putan ad on there site anyway

virminhunter · 22-04-2011 6:28pm

bazza888 wrote: »

i reported some other posts there and received a reply saying gundogs and retriever ads are not banned,i reported the hunting horse ads fishing and caged birds,i was asked how the horse may be mistreated during a hunt nothing about the poor fox:rolleyes:

reporting ads from other members of the hunting community isnt going to help anyone, but I see the wrongness in their views, they think or want to think like the anti's that running dogs are forced to chase prey, its pointed out in their reply letter to the op also, the only thing I ever taught my lurcher was sit, heel, down and fetch, the first night she saw a rabbit take off in front of her she didnt need any convincing to chase it.

bazza888 · 22-04-2011 6:35pm

isuppose your right vhunter just annoying the onesidedness of it

dicky82 · 22-04-2011 7:05pm

ok, this is a perfect oppertunity for someone who is computer savy to set up a web site that is solely for the sale of goods that are related to outdoor persutes. lets face it everyone who is involved in said activities would pass on the information of the said web site to friends and fellow enthusists. if the site was run well then word would travel fast.

i only ask for a 20% cut of all takings due to my coming up with the idea. :cool:

bazza888 · 22-04-2011 7:07pm

theres a good for sale section here aswell

eilo1 · 22-04-2011 7:16pm

smokin ace wrote: »

hi lads and ladies i put an add on the famous done deal for a lurcher for sale here is the add http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/dogs/2094208 and i got an email off them saying the following
Hi,

My name is <snip> and I work for the website DoneDeal.ie. We have received a number of complaints from our users about your ad “lurcher” with specific reference to "has been worked under the spot twice". The ad implies that the dog could be used for killing other animals.

Many of our users feel that this type of activity can be cruel to the prey, the dog, or both. Therefore we have decided to remove your ad in line with our terms & conditions:
http://help.donedeal.ie/info/dog-policy

i had trouble with done deal a few months ago because they would not let me sell a lightforce lamp now they would let me sell a dog i am raging mad over this also i emailed them looking for the €3 back for the add but i got no reply yet

You should write back to them that you want every Hunting Horse advertised to be removed or you will sue them for discrimination.

You are not doing anything illegal! :mad:

All the best,

Michael.

lefthooker · 22-04-2011 7:21pm

bazza888 wrote: »

not asking them to change there policy asking them to have a fair policy

couldn't agree more & i think this is the crux of the whole debate.
If donedeal applied the same logic they used for smokin aces ad then they'd be pulling down ads all over the place immediately when a complaint is made. I doubt they asked for any explanation or clarification like they did with Bazza when they pulled the "lurcher" ad.
It shows the level of hypocrisy within that company when they are prepared to post potentially offensive/illegal ads until a complaint is made

bazza888 · 22-04-2011 7:25pm

thats what im saying,im in noway against hunting on horse back or anything else but i think it should be done fairly not just against one section,i mean banning a lamp?its silly

bazza888 · 22-04-2011 7:29pm

just got this email back from donedeal,

Thanks for getting back to us. I have included a link to our Dog Policy for your review:

http://help.donedeal.ie/info/dog-policy

We will certainly investigate this ad and take appropriate action.

In the meantime we recommend you contact the SPCA representative closest to the area the horse was for sale, if you feel the horse is being mistreated. I have included a link with their contact details here:
\http://www.ispca.ie/spca-near-you.aspx

Alternatively you can call the ISPCA National Cruelty Helpline on 1890 515 515. The SPCA's are the proper Irish authority to investigate and take action. We will of course assist them in their investigation and take whatever action they recommend.

If you want to find out more information relating subjects the National Parks & Wildlife Services have a great website:
http://www.npws.ie/

I hope this is helpful, please let me know if you have any questions.

Dusty87 · 22-04-2011 7:33pm

Seems like a smart arse reply!

bazza888 · 22-04-2011 7:34pm

yeah it is but i dont really care it just shows they have no real understanding of why they ban one thing and not another

Dusty87 · 22-04-2011 7:41pm

bazza888 wrote: »

yeah it is but i dont really care it just shows they have no real understanding of why they ban one thing and not another

no they understand, they understand money! And there is a hell of a lot more hunting horse adds that come up than hunting dogs.

virminhunter · 22-04-2011 7:42pm

their policy has nothing against the term "lurcher" just references to hunting, lamping, good workers etc, yet when I search lurcher I get no results, I wonder if I posted an ad like this

lurcher pups 3/4greyhound 1/4 whippet, 2dogs 3bitches, €150

would it be removed.

smokin ace · 22-04-2011 7:48pm

its just more bull siht from donedeal i sent them a few emails today questioning there policys about hunting and all they sent me back was crap saying that its in there policy not to allow adds that seems to give the impression that one animal could be used for killing other animals and that they are not debating with me anymore over this case

smokin ace · 22-04-2011 7:51pm

virminhunter wrote: »

their policy has nothing against the term "lurcher" just references to hunting, lamping, good workers etc, yet when I search lurcher I get no results, I wonder if I posted an ad like this

lurcher pups 3/4greyhound 1/4 whippet, 2dogs 3bitches, €150

would it be removed.

i dont know what your doing wrong but there is loads of lurchers for sale on donedeal

virminhunter · 22-04-2011 7:57pm

smokin ace wrote: »

i dont know what your doing wrong but there is loads of lurchers for sale on donedeal

your right, my mistake, I must have searched a sub section of the dog section earlier as I only got one page of results and all old ads, ah well thats a good thing anyway;)

Spunk84 · 22-04-2011 9:27pm

You would sell it quicker on buyandsell but it's the way you word it. Just stick up the add with the price and text for info. They can't do u for that??
I see ads with springers "working" ???
Terriers also with "giving Tongue" "working well"
Labs Working well , good in rough cover ?

But as it was stated it's a private site, so it's theirs rules:(

Sparks · 22-04-2011 9:34pm

dicky82 wrote: »

ok, this is a perfect oppertunity for someone who is computer savy to set up a web site that is solely for the sale of goods that are related to outdoor persutes.

*cough*adverts.ie*cough*

Dusty87 · 22-04-2011 9:43pm

Sparks wrote: »

*cough*adverts.ie*cough*

can you sell firearms there?? I thought just the for sale section here.

Sparks · 22-04-2011 9:57pm

Dusty87 wrote: »

can you sell firearms there?? I thought just the for sale section here.

No, firearms pretty much have to go into the ForSale section here (and working dogs too) - but scopes, things like that, yeah, adverts is fine. At some point in the future, that might change (adverts.ie has had a massive overhaul recently, if we could move all the commercial stuff out to there, that'd be tidier), but for now, that's what we have to do.
Still though, at the risk of being biased, it's not a horrible solution. It might even be more fit for purpose than donedeal is for our specific case.

Dusty87 · 22-04-2011 10:04pm

Might be a simple answer, but why cant they be advertised on adverts? Is it a policy too? And why? Or is it got to do with the for sale section here?

Sparks · 22-04-2011 10:14pm

It's the outcome of a policy - one we also have in here as rule 8. Can't go selling illegal stuff. Thing is, the mods in here know a little bit more about firearms legislation than those in adverts, and you know how ridiculously complex firearms legislation is in Ireland. So we keep the firearms stuff in here so that the mods who know the most about it are the ones watching it (not that we're experts, but I don't think there are more than two dozen people in the country who know all of the firearms legislation and we have at least three of them posting on here and about five more reading and pinging us if we miss stuff). Hell, in a few cases, nobody has known (and we've gone asking right the way to the top and not gotten clear answers - we'd have needed court cases to get clearer answers). The mods on adverts.ie are good guys, but they just don't have the domain knowledge to work with to do the job.

And yeah, we've had a few cases where that hasn't been theoretical.

Sparks · 22-04-2011 10:18pm

All of which, by the way, is probably why donedeal don't do our stuff.

Dusty87 · 22-04-2011 10:28pm

Sparks wrote: »

All of which, by the way, is probably why donedeal don't do our stuff.

yea, was thinking that, and thats fair enough in fairness. But the dog thing is taking the biscuit as its been pointed out by lads here to them a few times. Which brings up the horse thing again. Why hunting dogs and not hunting horses. Going in circles again :rolleyes:

johngalway · 22-04-2011 10:52pm

I have my own policy on Donedeal. Since they have a policy on one of my past times it's only fair. I don't use them when I can use somewhere else for my benefit.

I say when, and my benefit, as after thinking on it after the lamp thread I decided that not using DD completely was cutting my nose off to spite my face. (Saying that, I haven't ever used them but may do for something like second hand quad).

So I would say, use where is appropriate for your goods and when you can, don't use DD, and don't recommend them.

Sites/papers come and go. Wasn't long ago when Buy & Sell was the bees knees.

dermot218 · 23-04-2011 11:58am

john prior oldcastle co meath a great solicitor hed be the man to talk to

il gatto · 24-04-2011 6:38am

It's seems to be a fairly arbitrary delineation between what they find inappropriate and what they find acceptable. Granted, many people find hunting (with dogs and gun) distasteful, and personally, I don't partake, but that's my peroggative. I would defend the right of others to do so. As long as nobody lamps around my house (where dogs, cats, horses, people etc. all wander at night), I don't much care as long as the relavent laws are abided by. I grew up in the country and it's always been a part of life. But then when does that stop townies and the nouveau culchí from know better what the yokels should occupy themselves with?
Why, however, the good folk at Done Deal find chasing down foxes and hares with a pack of hounds and dozens of garishly dressed riders on large horses acceptable, is beyond me.
It's not the action of the uninformed either. A casual urbanite with no interest, one way or the other, is unlikely to know many breeds and what their "work" may be. A lurcher is not a particularly high profile breed.
Hunting, as discussed here, is not illegal. Having a "policy" is all well and good, but allowing references to foxhunting and not shooting shows it to be a discriminatory policy. Either justify the discrimination, or ban all mention of hunting or alternatively, allow all mention.
It's really probably not worth the bother persuing it though. Shame, as it irks. Joe Duffy would probably not be the forum to bring it up.:rolleyes:

djflawless · 26-04-2011 4:20pm

would be nice to see adverts.ie making a shooting/hunting for sale/wanted section

Sparks · 26-04-2011 4:31pm

It'd be a lot neater. For the moment though, that's what our For Sale section here is for (and presumably a lot of what's in there now in terms of ethos and rules would make it across any future transition - but we're not talking weeks here, we're talking long-term).

syconerd · 06-05-2011 1:24am

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syconerd · 06-05-2011 1:34am

this is their policy on the sale of dogs as you can see they restrict the selling of dogs that are used to kill or hunt other animals
take it anyway you want it means there policing themselves as is their right but i think that we as a shooting community should make everyone who shoots know that we should not buy or sell on this site
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Dusty87 · 06-05-2011 6:45pm

We have these rules to prevent the small number people who abuse dogs from advertising on DoneDeal.ie.

So advertising lurchers or any dogs that do what they were originally bred for (Legally) is dog abuse now???
this springs to mind....

Spunk84 · 06-05-2011 7:44pm

syconerd wrote: »

We monitor all dog ads. Any person who advertises too many breeds or too often is permanently banned from using DoneDeal again.

So your banned if you buy and sell dogs? What happens with a person who owns a lab,pointer,springer and terrier bitch who has pups every year:(

virminhunter · 06-05-2011 9:11pm

syconerd wrote: »

We do not like the idea of dogs killing prey (e.g. foxes, badgers, deer, etc), as it can be a cruel experience for the prey, or the dog, or both. Therefore we do not accept ads that imply that the dog could/should be used for such activity. Also, we do not accept ads that mention or imply ‘digging’ or ‘lamping’.

that settle's it for me so, they're anti's, nothing to do with the law just what they in this case "don't like" legal or illegal.

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