Over 5 euro for a pint in Ireland How do we Stop this

roboshatner · 13-03-2012 10:39pm #1

My beef is how do we stop pubs charging over 5 euro for a pint in Ireland... ?

Any Ideas ?

I spent a week in both liverpool and wales and I spent 1.80 a Pint...

And then I come back here and pay 5 euro a pint...

O.k some pubs do serve cheap pints only cause they are forced too.

By How can we as irish people stop this..

Any Ideas ?
How we can stop this I know we can stop paying it but we have to let pubs know this that we will not stand for these prices..

Even tourists are paying 7 euro for pints in Temple Bar which makes me sick to the stomach.

pebbles21 · 13-03-2012 10:43pm

roboshatner wrote: »

My beef is how do we stop pubs charging over 5 euro for a pint in Ireland... ?

Any Ideas ?

I spent a week in both liverpool and wales and I spent 1.80 a Pint...

And then I come back here and pay 5 euro a pint...

O.k some pubs do serve cheap pints only cause they are forced too.

By How can we as irish people stop this..

Any Ideas ?
How we can stop this I know we can stop paying it but we have to let pubs know this that we will not stand for these prices..

Even tourists are paying 7 euro for pints in Temple Bar which makes me sick to the stomach.

Think you answered your own question there

Galwayguy35 · 13-03-2012 10:44pm

roboshatner wrote: »

My beef is how do we stop pubs charging over 5 euro for a pint in Ireland... ?

Any Ideas ?

I spent a week in both liverpool and wales and I spent 1.80 a Pint...

And then I come back here and pay 5 euro a pint...

O.k some pubs do serve cheap pints only cause they are forced too.

By How can we as irish people stop this..

Any Ideas ?
How we can stop this I know we can stop paying it but we have to let pubs know this that we will not stand for these prices..

Even tourists are paying 7 euro for pints in Temple Bar which makes me sick to the stomach.

I just wait until im taking my holiday overseas and enjoy a few pints in nice sunny surroundings. During the rest of the year i go to the offie. The greedy publican knows what he can do with his €5 pint as far as im concerned.

abouttobebanned · 13-03-2012 10:45pm

There should be a campaign. Don't pay the household charge. Don't pay over 4.50 for a pint.

dudara · 13-03-2012 10:47pm

Moved to Rip Off Ireland

dudara

RoboRat · 14-03-2012 10:10am

Simples. Don't go to a pub that charges over 5 euro a pint. If all the rip off pubs were boycotted and the ones that were charging a reasonable price were heaving, they would soon get the message.

ChubbyHubby · 14-03-2012 10:17am

Stop abusing alcoholic drinks in order to have a good time.

Tefral · 14-03-2012 10:18am

My problem with all of this "avoid the pubs" is that, in general we are, and the Vintners association is mouthing off to the government about below cost selling in Tesco etc as the only reason we are not in pubs, Fine Gael want to put a floor on the price of alcohol because of it. (Well actually they say its to stop binge drinking etc.. but we all know the reason why)

ger vallely · 14-03-2012 10:20am

Not only ripping off our money but also our right to make informed decisions as responsible adults- Closing the off licence at 10pm and now the possibility of raising the price of alcohol in supermarkets as the pubs 'can't' (won't)compete.

giant_midget · 14-03-2012 10:25am

Yea it's a joke. We are a nation of self absorved idiots when it comes to pricing, we have a certain sence of arrogance.

There's no need to be making a mark up of 40 - 50% on everything.

We need the likes of Weatherspoons over here.

rsole1 · 14-03-2012 10:33am

The Railway Bar in Roscommon has just had Tuborg Lager installed and is €3 a pint, and it tastes ok as well.

celticbest · 14-03-2012 10:52am

:eek: €5 for a Pint

I won't pay over €4 for a pint of Guinness, the two locals I drink in are €3.70 & €3.90 for a pint.

If I go into a Pub I'm not familiar with I check the listed price, if it's above €4 I won't drink there.....SIMPLES...

madanall · 14-03-2012 10:59am

McGoverns in Gorey....2.50 euro for a pint of Tennants....Hard to beat that !!

Stark · 14-03-2012 11:06am

cronin_j wrote: »

My problem with all of this "avoid the pubs" is that, in general we are, and the Vintners association is mouthing off to the government about below cost selling in Tesco etc as the only reason we are not in pubs, Fine Gael want to put a floor on the price of alcohol because of it. (Well actually they say its to stop binge drinking etc.. but we all know the reason why)

Let's not forget the little cartel they had a while back. http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0714/competition.html

Ravelleman · 14-03-2012 11:11am

It´s been said before but it´s as simple as picking a new pub with lower prices.

gerrycollins · 14-03-2012 11:41am

Ravelleman wrote: »

It´s been said before but it´s as simple as picking a new pub with lower prices.

the problem with that is if one pub sets a price the rest will follow... no competition

FanadMan · 14-03-2012 11:53am

Atlantic House in Fanad......€3.50 for all pints! Been like that for at least 5 years so it's not the economy that's causing the high prices, it's greedy publicans. And the Guinness in there is the best in the country - just take a look at my belly for evidence

Hate paying over €4 for a pint - honestly don't think it's worth it. Was in Turku in Finland a couple of years ago and paid €5.80 for a pint of black - mind you, they imported it from Dublin.

fguihen · 14-03-2012 12:31pm

Boycotted the hairy lemon when they started charging 5.70 for pints. Same with Bruxelles.
O'Reillys under Tara St Station have 3.50 pints all the time, its not a promotion or anything.

One thing though, have you ever bought a pint in Paris? Think the most expensive pint i ever got was in Paris. It was 10.70. Standard pint price is over in Paris. On the flipside though, you can purchase (good) wine very cheaply, in some pubs as low as 2 euro a glass. And its not bad at all.

andrewire · 14-03-2012 12:37pm

Yeah, I had a bottle of Budvar recently at a pub in Temple Bar and paid €6. That's extortion. No wonder why people drink at home now.

ErinGoBrath · 14-03-2012 12:50pm

andrewire wrote: »

Yeah, I had a bottle of Budvar recently at a pub in Temple Bar and paid €6. That's extortion. No wonder why people drink at home now.

Worst I've seen was the Templebar Bar a few weeks ago - 3 x 330ml bottles of Heineken - almost 18 euro

Made a quick departure after that. If everyone 'voted with their feet' and avoided the expensive pubs the prices would have to drop.

Africa · 14-03-2012 1:28pm

fguihen wrote: »

Boycotted the hairy lemon when they started charging 5.70 for pints. Same with Bruxelles.
O'Reillys under Tara St Station have 3.50 pints all the time, its not a promotion or anything.

One thing though, have you ever bought a pint in Paris? Think the most expensive pint i ever got was in Paris. It was 10.70. Standard pint price is over in Paris. On the flipside though, you can purchase (good) wine very cheaply, in some pubs as low as 2 euro a glass. And its not bad at all.

+1 for O Reillys. The business they get is great too.

Boycott the Lombard on Pearse Street ourseves as they charger over a 5er for a pint, and 'deal' is 3 bottles for a tenner.

As for the Paris bit, youve missed one critical bit; Beers there are about 12% content, so you literally will need 2 pints to feel the power

OldNotWIse · 14-03-2012 1:30pm

ChubbyHubby wrote: »

Stop abusing alcoholic drinks in order to have a good time.

How is enjoying a pint "abusing alsoholic drinks in order to have a good time"?

OldNotWIse · 14-03-2012 1:32pm

cronin_j wrote: »

My problem with all of this "avoid the pubs" is that, in general we are, and the Vintners association is mouthing off to the government about below cost selling in Tesco etc as the only reason we are not in pubs, Fine Gael want to put a floor on the price of alcohol because of it. (Well actually they say its to stop binge drinking etc.. but we all know the reason why)

Exactly, its because they want more revenue. They couldn't give a rodent's backside if we all die from cirrhosis... The same way that they keep increasing the price of tobacco "to encourage people to quit" - they should know (and actually DO know) by now that this does not lead to people quitting....

RoboRat · 14-03-2012 3:30pm

they should know (and actually DO know) by now that this does not lead to people quitting....

But it does deter people from starting though.

the problem with that is if one pub sets a price the rest will follow... no competition

I disagree with that, any savvy businessperson would see an opening in the market if all pubs were operating as a cartel and setting high prices. You can even see it these days, there is always a pub somewhere that charges less but perhaps people don't know about it or just haven't looked. Would be nice if there was an app like pumps.ie that could guide you to the best priced pint.. perhaps call it pints.ie!!

Africa · 14-03-2012 3:33pm

http://www.causes.com/causes/657986-price-of-a-pint-in-ireland-and-the-declining-pub-trade

Theres something I threw together. I hope that people will constribute and help me fix it up so we can say the right things, and target the right people.

OldNotWIse · 14-03-2012 3:45pm

RoboRat wrote: »

But it does deter people from starting though.

Really? Where can I find statistics to back this up?

RoboRat · 14-03-2012 4:15pm

Really? Where can I find statistics to back this up?

http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/4742

You only need to look at it logically, a youth gets X amount in pocket money and its costing more than what they are getting to buy 20 smokes so they (a) steal the money or (b) bum the off friends, (b) may occur but when the price of cigarettes are so high the likelihood of their being given away is lessened. Bottom line is that it makes them more inaccessible for younger people and therefore reduces the chances of younger people buying them and getting hooked.

DoesNotCompute · 14-03-2012 4:22pm

ErinGoBrath wrote: »

If everyone 'voted with their feet' and avoided the expensive pubs the prices would have to drop.

That's great, in theory, but the publicans know that people will pay over €5.00 for a pint, so will continue to charge it, no matter where you go.

DoesNotCompute · 14-03-2012 4:26pm

RoboRat wrote: »

Would be nice if there was an app like pumps.ie that could guide you to the best priced pint.. perhaps call it pints.ie!!

There ya go

Thepoet85 · 14-03-2012 4:31pm

Have to agree with avoiding high priced bars in the cities.

I live in a smaller town and the prices are pretty standard ( €3.90 a pint, or €3.00 for Tuborg ).

Needless to say that most people are drinking Tuborg.

I'd like to see the pubs take a stand and bring back some promotional offers, that used to work well.

Geuze · 14-03-2012 6:54pm

The two main brewers charge more here than in the UK.

They have market power, pricing power, due to less competition.

In the same way as Bulmers said they will make less profit in NI as they face more competition there.

What can we do?????

Break Diageo in two and hope the two parts compete against each other??

We shouldn't have let Heineken buy Beamish.

Geuze · 14-03-2012 6:55pm

Diageo charge RoI pubs more than they charge in the UK.

Every though the beer is brewed here.

Not much we can do, except don't buy their beer.

Geuze · 14-03-2012 6:57pm

My nearest pub has Beamish on special at 3.00, Guinness is 3.75.

aquaman · 14-03-2012 7:30pm

RoboRat wrote: »

http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/4742

You only need to look at it logically, a youth gets X amount in pocket money and its costing more than what they are getting to buy 20 smokes so they (a) steal the money or (b) bum the off friends, (b) may occur but when the price of cigarettes are so high the likelihood of their being given away is lessened. Bottom line is that it makes them more inaccessible for younger people and therefore reduces the chances of younger people buying them and getting hooked.

or (c) Chip in and buy ciggs, (d) buy box of amber leaf rollies for €4.20. If a youth wants to try smoking, they will, regardless of price.

aquaman · 14-03-2012 7:34pm

Geuze wrote: »

The two main brewers charge more here than in the UK.

They have market power, pricing power, due to less competition.

In the same way as Bulmers said they will make less profit in NI as they face more competition there.

What can we do?????

Break Diageo in two and hope the two parts compete against each other??

We shouldn't have let Heineken buy Beamish.

Another solution is to deregulate the pub licencing system. This would work.
Michael Mc Dowel attempted this a few years back but was shot down by the strong pub lobby.

At the moment is that there is a conception that if you are a publician you must get rich from it. Make a decent living should be a publicians aspirations.
More pubs = fairly priced beer.

du Maurier · 14-03-2012 7:56pm

Africa wrote: »

+1 for O Reillys. The business they get is great too.

Boycott the Lombard on Pearse Street ourseves as they charger over a 5er for a pint, and 'deal' is 3 bottles for a tenner.

As for the Paris bit, youve missed one critical bit; Beers there are about 12% content, so you literally will need 2 pints to feel the power

That wouldn't be true:pac:. The previous poster would be correct with the in and around 10/11 for a pint, as I have been stung with it myself, but these were for a standard 5% beverage. I do think the measurement was a little bit more than a pint though. The price comes down if you sit at the bar! It's funny that the more privileged a seating arrangement you acquire/or are forcefully placed by the m'aitre d -a window seat with an average view - the price of your drink goes up.

My friend was in Geneva recently and a bottle of whatever lager there was 8.50 or so. For 330mls!

Geuze · 14-03-2012 10:17pm

Note that typical Pils and lager in Paris is 5 % approx, not 12%. I paid 5.50 in Paris in Oct for 500ml. But it is very easy to pay more. I saw 12 euro for 50cl in the hotel.

Geuze · 14-03-2012 10:19pm

Liberalising the licensing system might help a bit.

But how do we prevent the two main brewers charging more than abroad? Hard to know, they have a dominant position.

Much more competition in UK due to many regional brewers.

One solution is for pubs to form bulk buying groups and take power from the brewers.

Africa · 15-03-2012 11:15am

Perhaps its where you go, but I was in the touristy bit just south of Notre Dame, and they were definitely 11 or 12% beers I was paying a tenner for. I guess its where you go eh?

Seriously though.

http://www.causes.com/causes/657986-price-of-a-pint-in-ireland-and-the-declining-pub-trade

munchkin_utd · 15-03-2012 11:23am

madanall wrote: »

McGoverns in Gorey....2.50 euro for a pint of Tennants....Hard to beat that !!

hard to drink too!

OldNotWIse · 15-03-2012 3:43pm

RoboRat wrote: »

http://www.voxeu.org/index.php?q=node/4742

You only need to look at it logically, a youth gets X amount in pocket money and its costing more than what they are getting to buy 20 smokes so they (a) steal the money or (b) bum the off friends, (b) may occur but when the price of cigarettes are so high the likelihood of their being given away is lessened. Bottom line is that it makes them more inaccessible for younger people and therefore reduces the chances of younger people buying them and getting hooked.

Fair enough, can't argue with cold hard facts!

On a subjective note, as someone what started smoking as an employed adult (wait for onslaught), I resent paying more for my cigarettes just to prevent youths from starting - they legally should not be smoking anyway so why not put more strict measures in place to ensure cigarettes are not sold to minors? Completely unrealistic I know... :P

candy-gal1 · 15-03-2012 3:52pm

i can and will never understand people paying more than 4.50/5e max for a drink :eek: ive done that in the past and tbh its just ridiculous, if your heading out for a night out especially!
theres so many bars out there now that are nice places, good atmosphere, great music, something going on, and very cheap beer

, i mean i have a mate who will usually say "nah im not going there, dont like it, too dark, musics crap etc etc " and only drinks certain drinks, expensive imho! more power to her i say if thats what she wants, but i just say now when/if going for drinks with her, im willingly to compromise on where we go but the only thing im going by is that its cheap drinks and not pay in unless its really cheap drink

i never understand people who, for some reason, seem to want to pay more?!

keithclancy · 15-03-2012 4:06pm

Meh,

Beer in 'Trendy pubs' is about on par with the Continent IMO.

4.80 for a 400ml Glass of Guinness in Duesseldorf
4.50 for a 500ml Glass of Bier in Eindhoven

Some places in Amsterdam your paying upwards of 8 euro for a 500ml Bier.

Same as anywhere, you can go to places in Cork or Dublin that are much cheaper if you know where they are.

Czech Republic and Poland have about the cheapest i've seen for as low as 2 euros for a 500ml.

RoboRat · 15-03-2012 4:57pm

Fair enough, can't argue with cold hard facts! On a subjective note, as someone what started smoking as an employed adult (wait for onslaught), I resent paying more for my cigarettes just to prevent youths from starting - they legally should not be smoking anyway so why not put more strict measures in place to ensure cigarettes are not sold to minors? Completely unrealistic I know...

Same as putting a minimum price on beer in offies to stop abuse. I have a drink every now and then and I don't bother going to a pub as I don't feel its worth the price. I will now have to pay through the snot for my occasional bottle of wine, is that fair, no, but as was once said to me... 'Life is not fair and the sooner you realise it, the better off you'll be'

rubadub · 15-03-2012 5:38pm

roboshatner wrote: »

O.k some pubs do serve cheap pints only cause they are forced too.

By How can we as irish people stop this..

Any Ideas ?

How are these pubs 'forced' to sell cheap pints? I think you might already have one idea about what people can do...

OldNotWIse · 15-03-2012 5:58pm

RoboRat wrote: »

Same as putting a minimum price on beer in offies to stop abuse. I have a drink every now and then and I don't bother going to a pub as I don't feel its worth the price. I will now have to pay through the snot for my occasional bottle of wine, is that fair, no, but as was once said to me... 'Life is not fair and the sooner you realise it, the better off you'll be'

They really are determined to leave us with nothing :mad: I love a good four euro bottle of pinot grigio, a box of fags and a natter...sigh...

saintsaltynuts · 15-03-2012 6:07pm

Crough's Pub in Inchicore have all pints at 3.30 all day long.The place is never empty.

Robdude · 25-03-2012 1:23pm

It would be interesting to see a break down of the taxes imposed on both pints.

I know I found electronics to be grossly overpriced in Ireland compared to the US - but I realized I was paying 0% sales tax in the US while, in Ireland, the VAT on the same item was something like 21%.

It's not just the sales tax/VAT to consider but whatever other taxes or requirements that a business must meet. For example, you might want to look at the minimum wage they have to pay their staff or whatever contributions they have to make to pensions or payroll taxes or whatever.

For the items I've looked into, I've discovered that the 'rip-off' is really nothing more than higher taxes and higher operating costs. The rip-off is self-imposed.

sandin · 28-03-2012 9:17am

giant_midget wrote: »

Yea it's a joke. We are a nation of self absorved idiots when it comes to pricing, we have a certain sence of arrogance.

There's no need to be making a mark up of 40 - 50% on everything.

We need the likes of Weatherspoons over here.

Ever looked at the cost of running a pub. 40% mark up and you wouldn't last a week.

Weatherspoons looked at Ireland many times, but couldn't see any value. Their policy of crap service and second class food offerings just wouldn't work here.

Also, last wetherspoons I went to charged £3.30 for a pint of ale. (Coventry approx 6 weeks ago)

Pubs in london regularly charge £4+ per pint of muck. In Paris, plenty charge €8+ per pint.
In Dublin city you can find plenty of pubs that charge €4 for pints. No-one forces you into the expensive pubs.

Sunnyisland · 28-03-2012 9:26am

Slightly Bit of topic,

Was in Boomers in clondalkin and as I and the person I was with don't drink got two pints of orange, E10.60 they where ,nearly fell through the chair.The barman kindly told us in future just to order water with a dash of blackcurrent.E1.00.

Just thought I would share that,going now.

elmossman · 28-03-2012 9:29am

In my area quite a few places do Tuborg and Bavaria larger for €3

Also there is a good disco/bar that does €2 a drink on a Monday and its a great night out.

Over 5 euro for a pint in Ireland How do we Stop this

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